Cruisers and Company 80 Series Turbo (2 Viewers)

[alia176]

Would the block off plate for the water jacket on the head be a good location to tap and connect the coolant line to the turbo? It's just above the water pump and in front of the thermostat bypass tube assembly (finger pointing to it). I prefer threaded connections.

Edited due to really bad photo with a finger pointing to a tensioner.

Let me try again. Would the tee to the water jacket on the head above the thermostat bypass tube be a good place to tap to connect the coolant line to the turbo? The thermostat bypass tube assembly (tube with two orings) shoves int he bottom of it and it bolts to the head.

Sorry about the horrible photo.

Photo? What photo?

 

[Cruisers and Co]

Would the block off plate for the water jacket on the head be a good location to tap and connect the coolant line to the turbo? It's just above the water pump and in front of the thermostat bypass tube assembly (finger pointing to it). I prefer threaded connections.

Edited due to really bad photo with a finger pointing to a tensioner.

Let me try again. Would the tee to the water jacket on the head above the thermostat bypass tube be a good place to tap to connect the coolant line to the turbo? The thermostat bypass tube assembly (tube with two orings) shoves int he bottom of it and it bolts to the head.

Sorry about the horrible photo.

Still having a hard time trying to wrap my head around what you are saying so bear with me. I've attached an image of the 1FZ coolant flow below so that we can all try and get on the same page.

The reason we use the throttle body water tube that goes around the front of the motor for the supply and return point is that it has one direction of flow and makes an easy inlet outlet situation. Coolant can't flow any other way in that tube, disturb the flow elsewhere, or stagnate. It can only go in one side of the turbo and out the other by removing that small 90 degree hose and using that as our supply and return spot. The connections are quite secure too. The thermostat housing gets drilled and tapped to convert the barb to -6 AN and the pipe around the front of the motor uses a brass compression ring to seal and convert the line to -6 AN. Id be way more worried about a waterline failing than one of the AN fittings failing. The waterlines are PTFE stainless braided crimped hoses so even those are just about bullet proof.

Back to what you are saying. You could certainly drill and tap the "Water Bypass Outlet" for the supply of coolant for the turbo but I am not sure where the return would go or if it would flow properly enough to cool the turbo. The method we have lined out and use is tried and true and has been done on many many 1FZ's so I'm not sure if it's worth reinventing the wheel but I'd be curious to see more explanation from you on how the routing would lay out for the lines.

Not sure if your using our kit or not but the water lines supplied are premade to fit the locations I lined out but someone could make their own if desired

 

[MotorMaus]

I'll second on @Cruisers and Co method of water line fitting location. I really think that's probably one of the better options and the AN fittings used with the kit are great. I have had zero issues so far with this setup and we are well over 100 degrees on the daily where I'm located.

 

[JoeCova]

Sooo...most aftermarket turbo kits for non-80s all sell for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price, why are these so expensive (Turbo itself is only $750)? $6500 buys a lot of stuff and I am curious why people would spend so much for 50hp? I'm not judging, I'm just curious as to the why given you can buy an entire 80 for the same price.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Go drive a turbo 1FZ, beautifully smooth and torquey. And, it's a lot more than 50 HP. Stock FZ makes about 110hp at the tyres. Turbo you'll make 200 at 6-7 lbs of boost.

 

[JoeCova]

Go drive a turbo 1FZ, beautifully smooth and torquey. And, it's a lot more than 50 HP. Stock FZ makes about 110hp at the tyres. Turbo you'll make 200 at 6-7 lbs of boost.

"Before our test mule was making 146 HP and 191 FT-LBS of torque. After the addition of our turbo kit it jumped to 210 HP and 290 FT-LBS at the wheels!"
I get it and I would probably be in if it was $2000 like most turbo kits, I just can't wrap my head around the "value" at $6500

 

[ajordan1975]

"Before our test mule was making 146 HP and 191 FT-LBS of torque. After the addition of our turbo kit it jumped to 210 HP and 290 FT-LBS at the wheels!"
I get it and I would probably be in if it was $2000 like most turbo kits, I just can't wrap my head around the "value" at $6500

no guess work. plug and play more less.
If you can do it cheaper, good on ya.

 

[ttFJC]

Sooo...most aftermarket turbo kits for non-80s all sell for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price, why are these so expensive (Turbo itself is only $750)? $6500 buys a lot of stuff and I am curious why people would spend so much for 50hp? I'm not judging, I'm just curious as to the why given you can buy an entire 80 for the same price.

the cheapest option never is. are you gonna fab your downpipe?

i think you should go buy the $2000 kit and report back how that works for ya.

because there is exactly zero value on the cost of parts having johnny engineer something and proving it works.

but what do i know. im just an idiot who hates money and likes turbo noises

 

[JoeCova]

the cheapest option never is. are you gonna fab your downpipe?

i think you should go buy the $2000 kit and report back how that works for ya.

because there is exactly zero value on the cost of parts having johnny engineer something and proving it works.

but what do i know. im just an idiot who hates money and likes turbo noises

I’m referring to turbo kits in general. I could fab a down pipe but any exhaust shop can do it for a couple hundred bucks.

 

[Cruisers and Co]

"Before our test mule was making 146 HP and 191 FT-LBS of torque. After the addition of our turbo kit it jumped to 210 HP and 290 FT-LBS at the wheels!"
I get it and I would probably be in if it was $2000 like most turbo kits, I just can't wrap my head around the "value" at $6500

Here's what it comes down to Joe... This is an extremely well designed and put together kit that uses many CNC processes and skilled fabricators to make a quality product that is worthy of being bolted to the 1FZ. No other kit on the market is this complete, no other kit on the market uses as quality materials on the fabricated parts, no other kit on the market has plumbing that is as seamless as ours, nothing on the market really even comes close to touching this kit. The team it takes to make this kit happen goes above and beyond each day to put effort into making these rigs fun and useable again. The cost also justifies us continuing our development on this project, which will soon make LS Power in a Toyota platform. I'd challenge you to make this kit from scratch and add up all the time invested. all of your research, the time CAD'ing the parts, the time working with suppliers, the time fabricating and then come back with what you have in it. Trust me you will be in way way way more than $6500 if you take your time seriously.

I see you are in Colorado and I invite you to stop by sometime and see/feel/understand why our product is priced where it is. I will take you for a ride so that you can feel how this is the perfect setup before going on a motor swap journey (that done correctly will be way more than $6500...). Seriously come by and say hello, the doors are always open to fellow cruiser heads!

 

[MotorMaus]

Sooo...most aftermarket turbo kits for non-80s all sell for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price, why are these so expensive (Turbo itself is only $750)? $6500 buys a lot of stuff and I am curious why people would spend so much for 50hp? I'm not judging, I'm just curious as to the why given you can buy an entire 80 for the same price.

So this is my perspective, and granted I'm just a random guy on the internet.

I have some pretty extensive experience in turbo kits/aftermarket modifications outside of Toyota, and I can tell you from experience, you will probably get a turbo and hot side parts only for half to third of the C&C kit.

This kit includes pretty much everything you need to bolt this on in a weekend, which is literally never the case with most turbo kits out there for other projects, there's always stuff you're gonna have to track down or just make work because the kit isn't exactly perfect.

As far as WHY you would spend this much on 50hp, that's entirely up to the end user, but here are my reasons.

1. It will cost just as much, if not more, and take a minimum 8 months on average as a V8 swap. I've been down this road before too and it's not just "yeah just throw in a junkyard LS bro".

2. It really does bring the 80 into modern daily driver territory. I love my 90s Toyotas, but my biggest gripe is being slow as dog sh*t to just drive everyday.

3. This is a really good starting point to expand on. This is more on me, but since the day I bought my 80, I knew I was going to turbo it, whether I designed my own kit or bought one. My goal is to get my 80 to a respectable power level and still be able to daily and wheel it without much headache. My tolerance is pretty high for your average turbo project car quirks, so your use case may vary.

 

[JoeCova]

So this is my perspective, and granted I'm just a random guy on the internet.

I have some pretty extensive experience in turbo kits/aftermarket modifications outside of Toyota, and I can tell you from experience, you will probably get a turbo and hot side parts only for half to third of the C&C kit.

This kit includes pretty much everything you need to bolt this on in a weekend, which is literally never the case with most turbo kits out there for other projects, there's always stuff you're gonna have to track down or just make work because the kit isn't exactly perfect.

As far as WHY you would spend this much on 50hp, that's entirely up to the end user, but here are my reasons.

1. It will cost just as much, if not more, and take a minimum 8 months on average as a V8 swap. I've been down this road before too and it's not just "yeah just throw in a junkyard LS bro".

2. It really does bring the 80 into modern daily driver territory. I love my 90s Toyotas, but my biggest gripe is being slow as dog sh*t to just drive everyday.

3. This is a really good starting point to expand on. This is more on me, but since the day I bought my 80, I knew I was going to turbo it, whether I designed my own kit or bought one. My goal is to get my 80 to a respectable power level and still be able to daily and wheel it without much headache. My tolerance is pretty high for your average turbo project car quirks, so your use case may vary.

Thank you, I appreciate the insight.

 

[mudgudgeon]

why people would spend so much for 50hp?

I think judging a turbo conversion as only 50hp is kind of dismissive.

The added torque, added horse power, and the change to the torque curve with a turbo is far greater than the sum of all the parts.

I don't have any experience with the turbo 1fz-fe, but can tell you my experience playing with turbo diesel cruisers, an increase in tutbo performance increases torque, and fattens the torque curve which completely changes the way they feel to drive. Can't empathise enough how much the driving experience changes!

The biggest difference in driving my 1fz-fe vs previous turbo diesel cruisers is the low end torque of the 1fz-fe is incomparable to the diesel. The tuned up turbo diesels are a heap of fun to drive, and it's all down to loads of torque.
( I think an auto behind the 1fz-fe does these engines no justice, much more fun as a manual)
I'd love to turbo my 1fz-fe. They are a torquey engine already, boosting that would be fun.

You gotta drive one to appreciate the difference. If you're of turboing, take that offer to go check one out.


As far as value of a kit, I can't really comment on this kit. Make your own judgement.

But how much do you value your time?

Cobbling together a kit yourself takes time sourcing parts, then figuring out how to put it all together without issues and without reworking stuff.
How long are you prepared to have your cruiser off the road to cobble together an install?
Yeah, a decent exhaust shop could fab J-pipe, down pipe etc, but for them to do it as a one off first go is gonna take time, and cost $$, or they don't get it quite right and you spend more dollars fixing it later.

The pipework in this kit is pretty nice!
( have build several exhaust systems over the years, and can appreciate what they've developed)

 

[deltapine1]

Sooo...most aftermarket turbo kits for non-80s all sell for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price, why are these so expensive (Turbo itself is only $750)? $6500 buys a lot of stuff and I am curious why people would spend so much for 50hp? I'm not judging, I'm just curious as to the why given you can buy an entire 80 for the same price.

I have installed a lot of turbos and turbo kits on many makes and models that were naturally aspirated from the factory as well as modified many OEM turbo vehicles. I will say that @Cruisers and Co kit is well worth the money, well thought out and fabricated well. If you brought me a naturally aspirated insert make and model and wanted a turbo installed, up and down pipes fabbed, support brackets for the turbo, oil supply and drain back, coolant lines, and all the labor involved to R & D and test fit different turbos, silicone hoses, clock the turbo, CNC a collector, etc. ... well $6500 is a bargain. This kit keeps the factory air cleaner, exhaust manifolds, tune, injectors, fuel rail, fuel regulator, etc. which is nice for the majority of owners who want to leave as much OEM/stock as possible. Stock went out the window with our build up with a stroked block with teflon coated piston skirts and ceramic coated crowns, a PRP 6 injector single rail intake w/ 102 mm Hypertune Throttle Body on the way and the struggle to place an intercooler and I found value in the kit as a starting point. Boils down to what is time worth. I spent over 94 hours (did not include the time to polish the SS) laying out and fabbing just the up pipe, collector and down pipes on a 2020 Supra and wished a kit had been available.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

"Before our test mule was making 146 HP and 191 FT-LBS of torque. After the addition of our turbo kit it jumped to 210 HP and 290 FT-LBS at the wheels!"
I get it and I would probably be in if it was $2000 like most turbo kits, I just can't wrap my head around the "value" at $6500

Interested to look at the dyno graph, that's very good stock power for a 1FZ

 

[pgmatt]

There are no realistic $2000 turbo kits for anything let alone a FZJ80.
50-60 whp on something like a full time 4wd 80 series is a huge gain in power as your drivetrain loss is quite high [30%+-].

 

[scottryana]

Just a FYI when I did my truck and kind of paid for all the R&D because there wasn't a kit out there. I spent close to $11k, so that kind of makes this kit a bargain.

And while you can say oh it is only 65-70hp you have to look at it as a percentage it is literally 50% more power than your stock truck.

 

[FJBen]

I kinda want to buy an 80 to put this kit on it now.

Totally different but…I have a factory turbo diesel cruiser. Upgrading to just a different turbo (Holset he221w brand new) cost me $1500 for turbo, adapter, hoses, silicon, wastegate adapter, dump pipe, drain pipe and no exhaust.

This also counts wrong parts, shipping, any other I had to buy tools.

This did not count the hours and hours of research, time spent running around and looking all over for parts that fit.

That’s $1,500 for something already turbo’d, just needing simple adapters and hoses and is pretty much idiot proof in terms up setup/tuning.

Designing a turbo kit TO SELL, that is complete, tested and all figured out with ecm/fueling and all adapters for a specialty vehicle that never was turbo’d?

Seems like a pretty fair deal to me.




They are just down the road from me, less than an hour so I should go check this out.

 

[1973Guppie]

Sooo...most aftermarket turbo kits for non-80s all sell for a 1/3 to 1/2 the price, why are these so expensive (Turbo itself is only $750)? $6500 buys a lot of stuff and I am curious why people would spend so much for 50hp? I'm not judging, I'm just curious as to the why given you can buy an entire 80 for the same price.

it's the torque not the hp that matters on these trucks, $6500 is not a lot for a quality kit that fits your vehicle. Buy a generic one and see what it costs in time and additional parts to get it working on your truck. Furthermore these are not high number productions for the 80 which makes each one cost more I am sure.

 

[efjayatee]

Question regarding intercoolers,
If mounted in ftont of the radiator, doesn't that restrict the air flow to the rad? Always wondered...No issues?