From Hundy to 2024 LC 250?

[ace10]

When the new hybrid "land cruiser" hits the market, the median age of a 100 Series Land Cruiser will be just a hair under 25 years.

I estimate that the number of people cross-shopping a quarter-century-old V8 dinosaur sporting a few hundred thousand miles on the Odo against a disposable PHEV suv will be something approaching zero.

Absent a change in demand, 100 prices will not change.

 

[Nottajeep]

I think 100 prices bottomed 3-4 years ago.
I don't see these going back to 150-200k mile truck for $7500

 

[Zjohnsonua]

And no way to wrench on this thing yourself with a complicated hybrid powertrain. If it fails on the trail it could be serious trouble. No thanks. Plus it looks like the Jeep liberty and baby bronco had a bastard child. Ugly as sin!!!

You've not spent much time with 200s I take it. They aren't Techstream reqd, but they're pretty damn close.

 

[OEMGUY0720]

I've been a very happy Hundy owner for the past 10 yrs. My rig is an '03 with 210k miles on it that I picked up in 2013 with 88k miles. It's been fantastic to own. I started searching for the face lifted 2016+ 200 a couple of years ago, but it was hard to swallow $70k + for a used rig that in many cases already had signs of corrosion living in the salt belt.

My rig was $63k in 2003 which is $104k in today's dollars (insane). So, the 250 at $55K - $65K is interesting. It's still a lot of $, but I never thought I'd have the chance to buy a new LC.

Any other 100 owners considering taking the plunge on a 2024 LC?

On the way to HIH7:


Typical duty hauling the dogs to our favorite trails:


Sea Kayak Hauler


2024 250

It’s enticing, the looks and the whole package of the 2024 250 series is an acquired taste. There will be compromises on this new one, but it kinda throws off the idea of an LC which is “zero compromises”from the size to how the parts are over-engineered. That said, I would understand if this doesn’t make sense to existing 80/100/200 owners, gone are the days of the full size suvs. It does make sense for current GX/4Runner owners as the size is closely similar.

 

[DuckLN]

I was hoping for a manual option…

 

[jLB]

I was hoping for a manual option…

It’s only been ~37 years (and multiple generations), since Toyota offered a (US) Land Cruiser, with a manual transmission…

One can hope, but I wouldn’t recommend “holding your breath”. As long as you’re at it, can you hope for a diesel too?

 

[Sventvkg]

You've not spent much time with 200s I take it. They aren't Techstream reqd, but they're pretty damn close.

No but I like them. I have an 05 LX470.

 

[RND1]

Just curious what you think with happen with the values of our 100 series now that the new 2024 LC's for the US market have been announced.

Thoughts?

I don't see the 250 impacting 100 prices much. I do see it impacting 200 prices significantly. The average consumer has no idea what a 200 vs 250 is so when they see a used 5 year old 200 on the lot for $75k with 50k miles and a shiny new 250 sitting next to it with 0 miles for $65k, the 200 prices are going to drop.

 

[ousooner22]

I don't see the 250 impacting 100 prices much. I do see it impacting 200 prices significantly. The average consumer has no idea what a 200 vs 250 is so when they see a used 5 year old 200 on the lot for $75k with 50k miles and a shiny new 250 sitting next to it with 0 miles for $65k, the 200 prices are going to drop.

That’s what he best answer so far. You hit the nail
on the head.

 

[MountaineerLC]

It would be cool as long as you're okay with the HP/TQ numbers and a vastly less-servicable powertrain. I think the 1958's look really good.
But your hundy is sick. Better keep it around...value is probably only going up from here.

For me, absolutely not. I think the new LC250 is cool, but my overall feeling is just kind of "meh". Not hating it, but I see nothing special enough about it to make me want to switch. Looking forward to seeing what the aftermarket can do for it. Calling ARB and Dissent!
I'm also interested in seeing what the 6th gen 4Runner will be. Of course this is all just a bunch of supposing for me. It will be 5-10 years before I can afford one anyway. My 100 is here to stay until either it or I die. Hopefully both of us have a long way to go!

PS. I will say the projected MPG is very impressive!

 

[Roosevelt T]

I don't see the 250 impacting 100 prices much. I do see it impacting 200 prices significantly. The average consumer has no idea what a 200 vs 250 is so when they see a used 5 year old 200 on the lot for $75k with 50k miles and a shiny new 250 sitting next to it with 0 miles for $65k, the 200 prices are going to drop.

Exactly. The sooner I see people on FB asking reasonable prices for 200's the better.

And I do not want a 200 at all... but the whole "there will never be another Land Cruiser" reason for the prices drives me bonkers. Where were all these people when there were brand new 200's sitting on lots for over 6, 9, 12 + months, and sales were plummeting.

 

[LostAfrican]

I watched the reveal video for the 250 and must say what “did it” for me was seeing a glimpse of the rear lower control arm and comparing it to the one under my hundy. It’s maybe half the diameter under the 250 compared to a x00 series. I am disappointed but understand. I’m starting to wonder how long it will be before I can afford an LX570 or maybe an LX600…. For now we’re going to make the 470 last. We rolled over 222,222 miles today and this year its 22 years old and we love it.

 

[97 AZ LC]

It looks like a Bronco to me, and I suspect it is a response to the success of the Bronco. There's no chance that that vehicle started on the drawing board as a real Land Cruiser. It just picked up the nameplate somewhere along the way (probably quite recently) which means that it isn't really built to the quality and durability standards of the prior generations. It's a poser and the nameplate has been sullied to some degree. Times change and nothing goes on forever. It's very likely that the market will always recognize the real McCoy.

 

[saucebox]

Prados have always been a Land Cruiser line, just different to some degree than what we got here. Given the styling of the Sequoia, the new Tacomas, the Tundras, etc...the 250 fits right in line with the design direction.

Bring it on. We learned to wrench on the gassers, and we'll learn to wrench on the future.

 

[UZJ100LC]

Mileage is the key here:

Assuming gas prices near me stay about $4.50 a gallon, for me to drive my 100 series another 100k miles will cost me about $32,000. I’d be saving about $16,000 in fuel costs alone over 5 years and the difference will keep going up especially adding up parts for the 100 as it ages (and timing belt/water pump). Tempting, but likely still doesn’t make up for the price at these interest rates.

But it does help with justifying at least some of the monthly payment knowing you are saving about $250 in fuel a month.

 

[e9999]

^ yes, but fuel costs are only part of the picture. With a new vehicle, depreciation will be a big hit in the beginning, plus higher insurance costs, higher tax, maybe higher registration fees, higher payments etc. My experience has been that an older vehicle that does not depreciate much any more is often much less financially taxing than a new one, assuming no massive repair or maintenance costs.

 

[UZJ100LC]

^ yes, but fuel costs are only part of the picture. With a new vehicle, depreciation will be a big hit in the beginning, plus higher insurance costs, higher tax, maybe higher registration fees, higher payments etc. My experience has been that an older vehicle that does not depreciate much any more is often much less financially taxing than a new one, assuming no massive repair or maintenance costs.

Yea that is true, it may make more sense to buy a used one in about 4 years

 

[newbielx470]

Can the new LC250's 4-cylinder turbo hybrid engine and transmission handle extreme conditions well? Like Alaska winter, Arizona desert, etc. for prolonged travel?


Edit: Another situation I would worry about is in offroading situation when a steady RPM has to be maintained to keep balance, or maybe treading water, but the truck's smart driving mode somehow kicks in and switches between non-tubo, turbo, electric, auto-start/stop. Would that be dangerous?

 

[MongooseGA]

I couldn't be less interested in the new 250.

We're all getting played and the people who are cool with it have their heads in the sand. You've been successfully marketed to and drank it up.

Imo.

200s are going to keep great resale. I'd gladly pay 50-60k for one today than a 250 off the lot. I couldn't imagine paying that much for an economy truck, which is what the 250 is.

 

[Trapper50cal]

Okay, choose one:

LC 250 or Imported 105? (Keep in mind, both Diesel and Manual 105's are available to import into U.S.)

I like the 250 1958 but over a solid axle 100 Series??? Nope.