From Hundy to 2024 LC 250?

[kwon-offroad]

Not sure they should keep the LC name, rather have them call it a Prado. Agree with others an LC is not like anything else the built; at least my 100 vs anything from that period.

That's a silly comment.

The "Prado" is a Land Cruiser. So is the 70 series and the 300. Those are all "Land Cruiser" brands. But they are different classes in Toyota's own hierarchy. Light Duty, Heavy Duty, and Station Wagon, respectively. So you are correct in the sense that the 250 is the Prado lineage, because quite literally it is the next model in the "Light Duty" series replacing the 150. It's just not called Prado in the US.

To keep this on topic to the 100 series forum, to expect similarities from the Light Duty 250 Land Cruiser is nonsense in comparison to our Station Wagon 100 Land Cruiser (or 200 series, or 300 series - all Station Wagon) They simply are not the same class of car in Toyota's own line up. You're jumping to another platform.

We all recognized that Toyota was not selling a Land Cruiser chock full of luxury features (The 200) and instead the Lexus was picking up that clientele. And we all heard the rumors that they were pivoting to release a more 'robust' platform to fill a perceived niche. So does it make any sense that Toyota would've built this off-road version from the ever more costlier to go to market GA-F platform? No. They would've been stuck in the same unprofitable, strategic nightmare they were trying to avoid in the first place.

Apples and oranges.

 

[jlm43]

I've been a very happy Hundy owner for the past 10 yrs. My rig is an '03 with 210k miles on it that I picked up in 2013 with 88k miles. It's been fantastic to own. I started searching for the face lifted 2016+ 200 a couple of years ago, but it was hard to swallow $70k + for a used rig that in many cases already had signs of corrosion living in the salt belt.

My rig was $63k in 2003 which is $104k in today's dollars (insane). So, the 250 at $55K - $65K is interesting. It's still a lot of $, but I never thought I'd have the chance to buy a new LC.

Any other 100 owners considering taking the plunge on a 2024 LC?

I'm right there with you on this one. I've had my 2005 for 5 years and 87k miles, it's currently at 218k and I've done a great job at keeping the rust away. A 2016+ would be my choice for a replacement but spending $60K on something just to watch it rust is extremely painful.

I'm definitely going to see what the 2024 is all about but I'm not sure I can stomach the cost while I still live where it's the rust the kills vehicles, not mileage. And then there's the no tailgate issue with the 250's.

 

[TimTX]

Just curious what you think with happen with the values of our 100 series now that the new 2024 LC's for the US market have been announced.

Thoughts?

 

[Asanka]

Hmm, It's the land cruiser prado. Lightweight land cruiser in the rest of the world. Not much impact to 100s and 80s. But 200s will get a hit, especially later years IMO

 

[TimTX]

Makes sense...I hadn't thought about a decrease in the 200 as I thought people might still want the naturally aspirated 5.7 V8.

Will the new LC it be "overbuilt" compared to the 4Runner and Sequoia? Thicker frame, control arms, etc...things that will make it more "reliable" for the overlanders?

 

[Mike NXP]

I recently learned there is 160+ pages of speculation, opinions, and childish banter in the 250 / Prado section of these forums lol, it's crazy.

Based on how everyone is so turned off by the small motor, hybrid, modern technology, my vote is that YES the 100 series will have values like the old 40s and other vintage models have as the years go by.

 

[TimTX]

I recently learned there is 160+ pages of speculation, opinions, and childish banter in the 250 / Prado section of these forums lol, it's crazy.

Based on how everyone is so turned off by the small motor, hybrid, modern technology, my vote is that YES the 100 series will have values like the old 40s and other vintage models have as the years go by.

Your right, the amount of chatter (both ways) is crazy!

 

[Mike NXP]

Your right, the amount of chatter (both ways) is crazy!

The reality is land cruiser owners r a unique group. We maintain vehicles to a higher standard and fix s*** that isn't even broken. That level of detail on just about any vehicle will make it last a long long time , 4 cylinder or not ..give me a Hyundai Elantra and I put as much maintenance into that as I do my cruiser I'm sure is get it to last just as long


Maintain your vehicle and trust the Toyota gods to make it all work.


Better gas mileage and power than previous land cruisers ...and everyone is pissed lol

 

[TimTX]

The reality is land cruiser owners r a unique group. We maintain vehicles to a higher standard and fix s*** that isn't even broken. That level of detail on just about any vehicle will make it last a long long time , 4 cylinder or not ..give me a Hyundai Elantra and I put as much maintenance into that as I do my cruiser I'm sure is get it to last just as long


Maintain your vehicle and trust the Toyota gods to make it all work.


Better gas mileage and power than previous land cruisers ...and everyone is pissed lol

Very true...I think your right, we do maintain our LC/LX's better than most.

I personally like the new LC/Prado...we'll see if there is enough following with this new one in the US to help is survive.

 

[NE Snowman]

That's a silly comment.

The Land Cruiser is the LC(80/100/200/300) to me. The Land Cruiser Prado (70/120/150/250) is the light weight smaller version. I think US marketing is taking advantage of never having one here. Toyota ended the Land Cruiser 2 years ago, only to reintroduce a smaller, less over built one with the same name 2 years later.

Apples to oranges, same Toyota label, different vehicle build means different name, sure I’m a little silly but so is not adding the Prado behind it Mr. T.

We enthusiast understand they’re all based on “Land Cruiser 4x4 mentality”, but Im thinking they will get people in going “Land Cruiser @ GX price seems like a steal”.

 

[RKRUGER]

I think it’s the GX that will take the hit, not the 100. It will be interesting and instructive to see how quickly the aftermarket will respond.

 

[4Beast]

In a couple of years when we go replace our Equinox I'd like to get one of these and keep the 100. I just cant take a new rig into the woods, so the 250 would be a DD/grocerygetter

 

[BullElk]

..give me a Hyundai Elantra and I put as much maintenance into that as I do my cruiser I'm sure is get it to last just as long

Uhhh.....Let's not get crazy.

 

[BullElk]

I say the new car buyers who are filling the planet with GXs will now split purchasing between the new GX and LC 250s. Some 4Runner dudes will defect to the 250s with slowly decreasing 4Runner sales and the Sequoia will be discontinued within five years.

 

[ace10]

Huh?

 

[Zjohnsonua]

Huh?

Right?! I think happy hour hit a little early for someone.

 

[ousooner22]

Hmm, It's the land cruiser prado. Lightweight land cruiser in the rest of the world. Not much impact to 100s and 80s. But 200s will get a hit, especially later years IMO

This will be interesting to follow. People really like “new”. Fact is the 2024 isn’t even close in the engine department. I say that because of the reputation of the overbuilding of that 5.7 v8 which has a fantastic track record. That being said with the huge price drop you’ll tolerate sacrifices in the build. I still see some low miles 2020 and 2021 over 100k. I think those prices will drop because of the new 2024. A heritage 2021 for 110k+ ? 55k is way more attractive. Plus the Lexus GC 550 is the next best imo. Still has a v6. Not a big fan of a battery in a land cruiser. Interested in everyone’s opinion.

 

[Sventvkg]

The reality is land cruiser owners r a unique group. We maintain vehicles to a higher standard and fix s*** that isn't even broken. That level of detail on just about any vehicle will make it last a long long time , 4 cylinder or not ..give me a Hyundai Elantra and I put as much maintenance into that as I do my cruiser I'm sure is get it to last just as long


Maintain your vehicle and trust the Toyota gods to make it all work.


Better gas mileage and power than previous land cruisers ...and everyone is pissed lol

And no way to wrench on this thing yourself with a complicated hybrid powertrain. If it fails on the trail it could be serious trouble. No thanks. Plus it looks like the Jeep liberty and baby bronco had a bastard child. Ugly as sin!!!

 

[GTV]

The Land Cruiser is the LC(80/100/200/300) to me. The Land Cruiser Prado (70/120/150/250) is the light weight smaller version. I think US marketing is taking advantage of never having one here. Toyota ended the Land Cruiser 2 years ago, only to reintroduce a smaller, less over built one with the same name 2 years later.

Apples to oranges, same Toyota label, different vehicle build means different name, sure I’m a little silly but so is not adding the Prado behind it Mr. T.

We enthusiast understand they’re all based on “Land Cruiser 4x4 mentality”, but Im thinking they will get people in going “Land Cruiser @ GX price seems like a steal”.

Yup. They stopped selling the LC here then come back two years later with the low rent version and play it off as a genuine successor. Enthusiasts like us know this, no one else knows/cares.

Starting at 9:16 we get the real scoop. “Sequoia is the replacement for the big Land Cruiser”.


So there you go. If you want a modern successor to the 100, get a Sequoia.

 

[ousooner22]

And no way to wrench on this thing yourself with a complicated hybrid powertrain. If it fails on the trail it could be serious trouble. No thanks. Plus it looks like the keep liberty and baby bronco had a bastard child. Ugly as sin!!!

It really does look like a keep liberty. Not good.