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Just double checking, but you are sure they are HIR? It has been mentioned that there are "regular", non-HIR bulbs, that are designated 9011.
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Just double checking, but you are sure they are HIR? It has been mentioned that there are "regular", non-HIR bulbs, that are designated 9011.
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Thanks, let us know.
What JD farm equip. did is the bulbs for, combine??
I wonder what JD QC thinks is going on? There is a small surge in the sales of that
type of bulb ( if its not a common piece of equip). As many say the dealer never ordered that bulb.
Do they think they got a bad batch of bulbs?
Could the switch to China bulbs be a QC reason thinking that the Japan plant was not making bulbs that lasted
I wonder what JD QC thinks is going on? There is a small surge in the sales of that
type of bulb ( if its not a common piece of equip). As many say the dealer never ordered that bulb.
Do they think they got a bad batch of bulbs?
Could the switch to China bulbs be a QC reason thinking that the Japan plant was not making bulbs that lasted
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What JD farm equip. did is the bulbs for, combine??
I wonder what JD QC thinks is going on? There is a small surge in the sales of that
type of bulb ( if its not a common piece of equip). As many say the dealer never ordered that bulb.
Do they think they got a bad batch of bulbs?
Could the switch to China bulbs be a QC reason thinking that the Japan plant was not making bulbs that lasted
According to someone(?), Toshiba no longer has a plant making HIRs in Japan, so all future Toshiba HIRs are from China.
Sorry but these are not an HIR, these are 9011 non HIR bulb. How do I know? Before we did the first group buy, I went and personally checked these out in hopes of saving everyone nearly 50%. When you look at them you will see they look just like a 9005 (with the exception of the tabs) and lack the HIR coating that reflects the heat back to the filiment.
Here are some comments from Daniel Stern about manufactures "cheating" on the HIR bit.
"GE introduced the 9011 and 9012 (HIR1 and HIR2) bulbs in the late 1990s, and discontinued them approximately 18 months ago, though they still appear in the '03 GE catalogue. Several automakers got rather badly burned on that product -- GE had a good idea, and they had the experience with infrared-reflective technology from some of their architectural and utility lighting, but the form factor they chose for their 9011 and 9012 was mechanically very fragile. It was a long, spindly glass tube with an external support wire, looking very much like an automotive HID bulb. With normal road vibrations, the bulb broke at the glass-to-base junction an uncomfortably large percentage
of the time, and all parties involved got rather angry with one
another. Hence the discontinuation.
(Philips saw this writing on the wall as soon as they saw GE's HIR
bulbs, about which more below -- I cannot figure out why GE's
normally-sharp engineers fumbled this one!)
There've been a few copycat Chinese/Korean products on the market -- as usual, not worth messing with.
The only current OE-certified manufacturer of 9011 and 9012 is Toshiba of Japan, and those are the bulbs we have. They do not have GE's fragile construction nor Philips "kinda sorta not really" compromise. They have the spherical bulb glass with the infrared-reflective coating, but are otherwise practically identical to 9005 and 9006 in all critical dimensions (with the obvious exception of the one plastic base tab which must be filed down in order to use these bulbs where 9005 and 9006 were originally specified). The overall length of the Toshiba HIR1 and HiR2 bulbs is identical to 9005 and 9006, so there are none of the "Tough luck, too long, won't fit" problems often encountered with the discontinued GE product.
Now, what about that "kinda sorta not really" Philips HIR1?
HIR means "Halogen Infrared", which refers to the heat-reflective
construction and technology discussed at
http://www.bmwz.org/articles/lighting/0506trick/ . General Electric (GE) originally designed these bulbs as discussed above. All automotive headlamp bulbs are given an official designator by the US DOT when they are first approved for use in headlamps, but at the time these bulbs were developed the DOT was still assigning *two* different designators to each new bulb. (Examples: 9004/HB1, 9005/HB3, 9006/HB4, 9007/HB5,
etc.). The two designators for the low beam are 9012/HIR2, and for the high beam 9011/HIR1. However, the technical specs for any bulb type contain performance requirements for minimum/maximum allowable light output, electrical power consumption and mechanical dimensions only. The specs do not say how these minimum and maximum specs must be met.
In response to Chrysler's use of the fragile GE 9011 (HIR1) in the high beam of the Viper, Philips added a replacement product to their line. They first displayed it in their booth at the 2000 Automotive Aftermarket Parts Exchange show in Las Vegas, at which time their product manager told me "We didn't want to pay GE a royalty or tool up for different bulb glass, but we wanted to serve the replacement market, so we just basically put together this bulb with a maximum-legal-wattage 9005 filament, overdriven to get the minimum allowable lumens for type 9011. Life isn't optimal, but our bulb costs less to make and we probably won't make it for very long." Remember,
this kind of bulb is called a 9011/HIR1 because that's its type
designator, not necessarily because it uses any particular technology (such as HIR) to produce its light. Philips took the quick 'n' eas way out on this one. The bulb isn't *bad*, but it's not an HIR bulb.
Here are the figures to ponder:
9005's light output spec is 1700 lumens, +/- 12% at 12.8v, maximum 70
watts.
9011's light output spec is 2300 lumens, +/- 15% at 12.8v, maximum 70
watts.
So, the allowable range for 9005 is 1496 to 1904 lumens, while the allowable range for 9011 is 1955 to 2645. (Remember that the nominal wattage is just that -- actual wattage is specified in the regulation. All legal 9005s and 9011s are "65 watt" nominal and are actually
allowed to draw up to 70w). It's easy to see how by just selecting the highest-wattage 9005 filaments and overdriving them a little, Philips is able to put together their 9011 bulb. It'll produce the low end of allowable lighting, consume at the high end of allowable wattage and life will be very short, but it'll be a legal 9011. There are no gold stars on any Federal refrigerator for bulbs that are better than they have to be; there are just two kinds: legal and illegal. And even then, illegal bulbs are all over the place, even from reputable manufacturers. The DOT practically never checks.
We look forward to meeting your lighting needs quickly and efficiently!
Daniel Stern
Candlepower, Inc.""
"GE introduced the 9011 and 9012 (HIR1 and HIR2) bulbs in the late 1990s, and discontinued them approximately 18 months ago, though they still appear in the '03 GE catalogue. Several automakers got rather badly burned on that product -- GE had a good idea, and they had the experience with infrared-reflective technology from some of their architectural and utility lighting, but the form factor they chose for their 9011 and 9012 was mechanically very fragile. It was a long, spindly glass tube with an external support wire, looking very much like an automotive HID bulb. With normal road vibrations, the bulb broke at the glass-to-base junction an uncomfortably large percentage
of the time, and all parties involved got rather angry with one
another. Hence the discontinuation.
(Philips saw this writing on the wall as soon as they saw GE's HIR
bulbs, about which more below -- I cannot figure out why GE's
normally-sharp engineers fumbled this one!)
There've been a few copycat Chinese/Korean products on the market -- as usual, not worth messing with.
The only current OE-certified manufacturer of 9011 and 9012 is Toshiba of Japan, and those are the bulbs we have. They do not have GE's fragile construction nor Philips "kinda sorta not really" compromise. They have the spherical bulb glass with the infrared-reflective coating, but are otherwise practically identical to 9005 and 9006 in all critical dimensions (with the obvious exception of the one plastic base tab which must be filed down in order to use these bulbs where 9005 and 9006 were originally specified). The overall length of the Toshiba HIR1 and HiR2 bulbs is identical to 9005 and 9006, so there are none of the "Tough luck, too long, won't fit" problems often encountered with the discontinued GE product.
Now, what about that "kinda sorta not really" Philips HIR1?
HIR means "Halogen Infrared", which refers to the heat-reflective
construction and technology discussed at
http://www.bmwz.org/articles/lighting/0506trick/ . General Electric (GE) originally designed these bulbs as discussed above. All automotive headlamp bulbs are given an official designator by the US DOT when they are first approved for use in headlamps, but at the time these bulbs were developed the DOT was still assigning *two* different designators to each new bulb. (Examples: 9004/HB1, 9005/HB3, 9006/HB4, 9007/HB5,
etc.). The two designators for the low beam are 9012/HIR2, and for the high beam 9011/HIR1. However, the technical specs for any bulb type contain performance requirements for minimum/maximum allowable light output, electrical power consumption and mechanical dimensions only. The specs do not say how these minimum and maximum specs must be met.
In response to Chrysler's use of the fragile GE 9011 (HIR1) in the high beam of the Viper, Philips added a replacement product to their line. They first displayed it in their booth at the 2000 Automotive Aftermarket Parts Exchange show in Las Vegas, at which time their product manager told me "We didn't want to pay GE a royalty or tool up for different bulb glass, but we wanted to serve the replacement market, so we just basically put together this bulb with a maximum-legal-wattage 9005 filament, overdriven to get the minimum allowable lumens for type 9011. Life isn't optimal, but our bulb costs less to make and we probably won't make it for very long." Remember,
this kind of bulb is called a 9011/HIR1 because that's its type
designator, not necessarily because it uses any particular technology (such as HIR) to produce its light. Philips took the quick 'n' eas way out on this one. The bulb isn't *bad*, but it's not an HIR bulb.
Here are the figures to ponder:
9005's light output spec is 1700 lumens, +/- 12% at 12.8v, maximum 70
watts.
9011's light output spec is 2300 lumens, +/- 15% at 12.8v, maximum 70
watts.
So, the allowable range for 9005 is 1496 to 1904 lumens, while the allowable range for 9011 is 1955 to 2645. (Remember that the nominal wattage is just that -- actual wattage is specified in the regulation. All legal 9005s and 9011s are "65 watt" nominal and are actually
allowed to draw up to 70w). It's easy to see how by just selecting the highest-wattage 9005 filaments and overdriving them a little, Philips is able to put together their 9011 bulb. It'll produce the low end of allowable lighting, consume at the high end of allowable wattage and life will be very short, but it'll be a legal 9011. There are no gold stars on any Federal refrigerator for bulbs that are better than they have to be; there are just two kinds: legal and illegal. And even then, illegal bulbs are all over the place, even from reputable manufacturers. The DOT practically never checks.
We look forward to meeting your lighting needs quickly and efficiently!
Daniel Stern
Candlepower, Inc.""
Finally, here is a great link from the crazy Suburu guys over on NASOIC. Take a look at the 9011 HIR bulb to see what it will look like. Remember, only one company makes the HIR bulbs, that is Toshiba/Harrison, so they will all look the same. It could be possible that Chevy is finally selling them.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954736
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954736
No, but I have a framed layout of him from Playgirl holding a Hella 4000 in one hand and an HIR bulb in the other.
The reason he I cite him is that he has accurate information and understands what is going on. That and the fact that when you do a google search his posts pop up regularly like the one I cited above.
Got my bulbs from local JD for 9.99. Put them in last night. They seem a little brighter but I will have to wait for some bad weather to really check them out.
just got mine today to replace my IPF's low beams that slee used to sell. i much prefer spending 12.50 a piece shipped as apposed to the ~120 i paid for IPF's.
also mine were made in japan!
also mine were made in japan!
I got mine yesterday ($10.49) from JD and put them in last night. Now, i live in on a remote road where there are no street lights and i can tell you these lights are Amazing. Length and width vision of HIR bulbs is, by comparison, day and night over stock. Thank you to all at this site 
Well, that was just stupid easy!
Took about 60 seconds to trim both tabs with a dremel tool, accessing the bulbs does not require the use of any tools, so........if you can unplug harness ends, twist the bulb a few degrees...then you can have good low beams for very little effort.
Thats a lot of bang for the buck. I will be buying spare bulbs soon, pre-trim them and keep them in the cruiser.
I like EASY!!!!!!!!
Took about 60 seconds to trim both tabs with a dremel tool, accessing the bulbs does not require the use of any tools, so........if you can unplug harness ends, twist the bulb a few degrees...then you can have good low beams for very little effort.
Thats a lot of bang for the buck. I will be buying spare bulbs soon, pre-trim them and keep them in the cruiser.
I like EASY!!!!!!!!
I placed an order just before Christmas, and apparently you guys have run John Deere out of stock 
They are back ordered, with no expected arrival date.
They are back ordered, with no expected arrival date.
Just picked my lamps up tonight. I ordered 5 on 12-23-06, 60.95 out the door. The stockperson did note that the lamps came from all over the country and were in short supply. My lamps were all made in japan with some really old labels.
Hands down best mod for the money!
I replaced the low beams in both my new 2006 sienna and the LX. The lx was running the silverstars and they were good. These are clearly better. The biggest improvment/gain was in the sienna. The stock low beam lamps in the sienna are 51W silvania's, they sucked. The JD are incredible in the lowbeam position.
Thanks!
Hands down best mod for the money!
I replaced the low beams in both my new 2006 sienna and the LX. The lx was running the silverstars and they were good. These are clearly better. The biggest improvment/gain was in the sienna. The stock low beam lamps in the sienna are 51W silvania's, they sucked. The JD are incredible in the lowbeam position.
Thanks!
Grench
SILVER Star
I used the 12 I ordered 2 weeks ago (3 vehicles + Christmas gifts.) I just ordered another 6 and some other misc. tractor parts.
I -love- their online catalog/cutaways.
I -love- their online catalog/cutaways.
Put mine on a few days ago. Noticeable difference.
Ordered mine today. Local source could not get them as they are out. They hooked me up with a few other regional JD places that showed they had them in stock. Ordered up a pair.
TR
TR
slightly off topic but i just had this convo with a friend of mine about how one of his headlamps blew in his 1990 ford ranger and how his bulbs (regurdless of the brand or "super white" or "zenon" or whatever) seem to pretty fast.... and how mine never seem to guy on any of my trucks cept my fj60 and thats only cause i have some crappy aftermarket bezel that likes to fill up with water when submerged in a creek or the like, whereas the stock sealed beams didnt. long story short i think each vehicle is a lil dif than one another even if same brand year ect. cars are like people they all have theyre own problems.
just my $0.02
Trent
