[CruisinFJ60]

Well Im finally gettin ready to do the swap so i figured Id get some pictures and start up the build thread for the swap. We all know im a picture whore so i will do my best to post as many as possible even of some of the stupid stuff i mean hell it could help someone later on.

What i am starting with here is my Fiona an 84 FJ60
I will be using an 85 2F block that came out of an 85 FJ60 and i will be using an 88 3FE head out of an 88FJ62 I have both complete engines with all the acessories (i think with the exception of the a/c pump on the 3FE) I plan to try and retain all of the 2F bracketry as it seems it would be the easiest way to go about things. if need be I do own a welder and know how to use it.

I will be running a desmoged completed engine, meaning no AIR rail, no Smog pump, no excess vac lines or any of that other crap. Unfortunatly as the way things panned out i will not be doing a rebuild with the swap. Im short on money and want my truck more drivable and at least wheelable. The 2F we beleive to have right around 130,xxx miles wich is over 100,000 miles less than what i have now so it should get me by just fine for the next 30-60k miles it may take for me to have the 350 SBC in there. The head on the 3FE engine we think to have been done around 20k miles ago... not really sure there, no matter im gonna run it as long as it visually looks ok.


ok now time for some pictures!

here is the Donor 2F i just got home with.

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Worn out 2F in Fiona as of right now.

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couple of shots of the 3FE hiding in the corner.

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and now pictures of the reason for the newer engine / build up. (other than the obvious complete and total lack of power and it having no compression on #3 cylinder)


It cost me 4 quarts of 20w50 oil every 200 miles! and no it doesnt really leak much.

see the smoke!


first picture it idling in the driveway, leaving a nice blue cloud of bug killer...

2nd pic you can kinda see the smoke hitting right in front of the tire as it idles.

3rd pic i reved it up to 1500 RPM and it bellowes out.

[klinetime574]

How is this coming along?

[tonkota]

Good for you! I like to see these 2F-E swaps! I'm sure you will love it when it is done.

One recommendation: put in a new cam. The one from Delta ran me $125 with shipping and the turn around was super fast. That made a really nice gain for my 2F-E. That was (so far) my best dollar per HP gain.

[CruisinFJ60]

ok well i have been kinda busy and poor so nothing has really gotten done, in fact i just moved my 2F from the bed of the truck to the garage today...

but i assure yall it will start goin pretty quick, well i hope so anyhow.

this isnt much of an update as i just got the motors side by side and havent started anything yet. Its 100*F outside right now and prolly 110*F+ in my garage and i have no fan in there so even sitting on my but im dripping sweat.

I plan on goin out there a little later and pullin the valve covers, and heads on the 2 engines. I have something im wanting to try to had my own personal "zing" to the 2F-E and im hoping it will be visible... we shall see... ill give yall a hint it involves a welder. and of course some paint.

i will try and keep the pics coming as i do stuff. im doin this all on my own just like everything else so it could possibly be a slow process. if anyone has any pics they would like to see a close up of or whatever leme know and i can get them for you.

[Cruiserdrew]

You're my hero!

Here's what I have in mind, so see if it sounds similar

I have a 2 F in good shape with basically new motor compression numbers. I have a 3FE in unknown condition but that was running when I got it with good power and no smoke.

I want to use the 2F short block as is, and pull the 3FE head and get it rebuilt at the local machine shop (the one Pighead used for his build).

Then combine the two on a budget as I don't want to plow a lot of cash into the motor. Then install in my FJ40 which has a tired, but running 2F.

Keep posting up, and I'll follow your lead, particularly when it comes to wiring the truck.

Cool.

[CruisinFJ60]

ok well got the head off of the 2F but not before breaking one of my Matco Impact sockets with my Snap On 3/8's impact gun...

anyhow not important here are some photos.

1.) pulled valve cover off
2.) removed rocker arms and shaft, pulled head off with intake exhaust manifolds and all
3.) nother of head off.

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1.) Cylinders #5 and 6

2.) cylinder #6 has some marks in it but nothing major

3.) i can just slightly feel the mark on the left side however when running my finger across it. Its not that big of a grove and my finger nail does not catch on it it just kinda feels like a low spot i guess you could say.

Depending on how much the machine shop wants i may go ahead and bore it .030 over as i already have the pistons but no rings... but probally not as money is very tight right now for me and im just trying to make it last another 50k / hold on long enough for me to drop my SBC in. Im doing this cause i think if im gonna do another toyota engine "just to get me by" why do another 2F? how about a budget 2F-E then if nothing else i get EFI as well as hopefully some extra power for runnin trails.

[CruisinFJ60]

1.) cylinder #1
2.) cylinder #2
3.) cylinder #5

this motor was in the back of my truck for a couple weeks and it did rain just a bit with out the carb covered, thats why it looks like there is rust on the walls of the cylinders even tho they are still smooth to the touch.

[CruisinFJ60]

there really isnt even much of a ridge at the top of the cylinders, and really all in all it looks very nice I think.

[CruisinFJ60]

1.) head as i pulled it off
2.) same just dif view
3.) same as above

it prolly weighed in around 90 pounds fully assembled +/- so kinda heavy and awkward by yourself.

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1.) combustion chambers #1 and 2
2.) Combustion chambers #3 and 4
3.) combustion chambers #5 and 6

going by the way the chambers look and the plugs it looks like this motor was a pretty good running piece. no excessive build up, clean even burn patterns ect.

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1.) shot of all combustion chambers on bottom of 2F head.
2.) the little do hickey in there still works as it should and moves very free by finger.

everything i dont use will be up for sale whatever doesnt sell i will send to the scrap yard. when i get to that point i will link a thread of the items for sale to the first post in this page.

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started to tear the head off of the 3FE this morning. and here is what i found....

1.) looks ok other than being a little shiny...

2.) sludge on the rocker arm i ran a screwdriver over it so you could see how deep it was

3.) more sludge in the head. the black mark on the screw driver shows how deep it is

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1.) more sludge. again the black mark shows the depth.
2.) comparison shot of how deep sludge is in last photo.
3.) sludge height just from where valve cover sat.

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1.) so thick on everything even the threads for the rocker arms / valve adjustment is covered.

2.) sludge

3.) another shot of how thick it is on the rocker arms and rocker arm shaft hold downs.

this is by far one of the worst sludge filled engines i have seen in my days, and i have torn apart many many cars and this tops them all by a mile.

[CruisinFJ60]

1.) valve cover with sludge deep enough to easily write my initials.
2.) i think its self explanatory but just in case it reads "IH8SLUDGE"

this motor came out of Mark M.'s (MMW68 here on mud) wifes 88 FJ62 which started knocking very shortly after he bought it for "her" (less than a week i believe).

It is obvious as to why the engine was knocking, Obviously was driven long periods between oil changes, probably cheap oil, and probably driven low on oil a couple of times.
All this contributed to the demise of this engine (which was supposedly rebuilt not to long before Mark purchased it i believe but may be wrong) everything sludged up and could no longer properly lubricate the engine well enough to protect the bearings.

[CruisinFJ60]

ok got the head off of the 3FE so here are a few pics of that.
I didnt take any of the 3FE block as i wont be using it but i can get some for any one who is interested "just to see" what it looks like.

1.) Pulled off the upper intake plenum so i could get to the head bolts

2.) upper intake plenum again

3.) got the head unbolted and set to the side. again i left teh exhaust and lower intake connected like i did with the 2F head. this combo is much much lighter than the 2F combo...

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1.) combustion chambers #1 and 2
2.) combustion chambers #3 and 4
3.) combustion chambers #5 and 6

looks like they were all firing pretty well right up till it started knocking. which means i feel just that much better bout not sending the head out to have a valve job done.

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bottom of 3FE head.

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thats it for right now. ima clean up the valve covers and decide which one i want to use and just start getting it all ready. I still have to get a few things like a cold start injector, fuel pump, and either make or buy a fuel pump block off plate for the 2F block.

[zuluzeugma]

Dude... You have stalled big time. Its been over a month. Update???

[zuluzeugma]

And another month has gone by. Whats up dude? Too much Flying Saucer?

Bump.

[zuluzeugma]

Did you give up on this project?

[fjman]

Nice airhorns......

looks alot better than mine when I torn it down!

[RockDoc]

Originally Posted by CruisinFJ60

1.) combustion chambers #1 and 2
2.) combustion chambers #3 and 4
3.) combustion chambers #5 and 6

looks like they were all firing pretty well right up till it started knocking. which means i feel just that much better bout not sending the head out to have a valve job done.

Looks like someone's already done a valve job on that head. I don't believe those are toyota valves.

For comparison, here's the one I just tore down (Jan, 88). Different dimples, and once cleaned up, the TEQ stamp is visible on them.

[CruisinFJ60]

whoa! talk about getting totally sidetracked!

yes the head has had a valve job done before in its life somewha recent to when i got it.

update now is i got the 3fe on the 2F block (ill get ya some pics here soon)

aparently you have to use the 3fe head bolts for at least the center bolts as the head is shorter and with the 2F head bolts they dont even make contack with the head, so i am needing to switch those back over and get it torqued down.

my next step is the cam and the dizzy....

my understanding is that stock for stock the 3fe cam is slightly more of an agressive cut than the 2F cam and therefore i will be swapping the 2.

next thing is more of a quesion. the 3FE dizzy supposedly has some electronic thingy that the 2F dizzy doesnt? and i need to swap it over to the 2F block as well to make it run right? anyone got any more info on this? i mean it aint no problem i just kinda wanna know the reasoning thats all.

after that is done i will be setting valves ad puttin on the valve cover and then doing something with the pcv valves and most likely welding up the side cover and using the 3fe valve cover. then i nedd to mount my electrical fuel pump and decide how i wanna power it, block off mechanical fuel pump on 2F block. then its pretty much time to pull the other motor and get the new one in my truck so i can start driving here again!!!!!!!

[tonkota]

Originally Posted by CruisinFJ60

whoa! talk about getting totally sidetracked!

yes the head has had a valve job done before in its life somewha recent to when i got it.

update now is i got the 3fe on the 2F block (ill get ya some pics here soon)

aparently you have to use the 3fe head bolts for at least the center bolts as the head is shorter and with the 2F head bolts they dont even make contack with the head, so i am needing to switch those back over and get it torqued down.

my next step is the cam and the dizzy....

my understanding is that stock for stock the 3fe cam is slightly more of an agressive cut than the 2F cam and therefore i will be swapping the 2.

next thing is more of a quesion. the 3FE dizzy supposedly has some electronic thingy that the 2F dizzy doesnt? and i need to swap it over to the 2F block as well to make it run right? anyone got any more info on this? i mean it aint no problem i just kinda wanna know the reasoning thats all.

after that is done i will be setting valves ad puttin on the valve cover and then doing something with the pcv valves and most likely welding up the side cover and using the 3fe valve cover. then i nedd to mount my electrical fuel pump and decide how i wanna power it, block off mechanical fuel pump on 2F block. then its pretty much time to pull the other motor and get the new one in my truck so i can start driving here again!!!!!!!

Good to note on the head bolts. I didn't have 2F head bolts when I did mine, so I had no way of knowing that. Good find!

You will need the 3F-E distributor, no big deal.

On the cam, if you want to use the 3F cam, that is fine, but you'll need to get it ground along with the lifters from the 2F. Otherwise you will destroy that cam and lifters.