Compiled 80 series suspension component spec thread... shocks, coils & more.

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Edit* Never mind, I found my answer in a thread from the beginning of the month. Anyone in California looking to sell any of this stuff?



I figure that since We have a dedicated suspension sticky I’ll ask my question here.

I’m wondering which direction to go. I was looking at an OME J lift with L shocks. I’m pretty heavy in the front, dual batteries, AOE number with winch, and a York.

I’m not so heavy in the rear. Currently a terribly build storage system I need to redo and an Inti roof rack. Future plans to add weight to the rear include a 4x4 Labs rear with tire carrier and 2 Gerry can rack.

I’m putting my order in for some sliders after Christmas, and I plan to eventually add a RTT when I get the time and money.

I replaced my springs a couple years ago with OME stock height springs and they’ve done great. But the rig is putting on weight.

I’m on 285’s right now and plan to eventually go 35’s.

So with my current weight, and plans to add more, would it be fine to go 850j’s up front, 863’s in the rear. L shocks all the way around? When I do get the added weight in the rear and roof, it would be pretty easy to swap the 863’s out with some j’s.

I’m wanting to get the lift done in the next few months. So I’m not in a hurry. The initial plan was to add all the stuff, then weight it and lift it to that weight, but the front is already getting low with the stuff on there, and I’m kinda Jonesing for that lift right now.
 
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I am in California and might be interested in selling my j springs and L shocks. Send me a message and we can chat
 
mjeckell said:
I find it comical that we are arguing over the ratings of a high-performance coil or shock whether it be extended or collapsed or coil specs with the manufacturer. We as consumers are not asking to the secrets to how it’s built but how it performs or it’s capabilities.

I’m merely asking for numbers to get the best possible performance for my rig.

@GW Nugget thanks for starting this thread but it has derailed somewhat. I suggest all posts regarding this topic be erased and all pertinent info stay. Ok I gave my 2 cents
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If you want the best possible performance for your rig, a well informed user community is the only way to get there.

When I got here in 2005, the hive told me you needed 6”’ of lift to properly run 35s. When 33’s fit stock.

The OME hive wanted to sell me the same shock for a 3” lift as stock with coils designed for forward rake and then sell me more OME stuff to ‘fix’ it.

No and no.

If enough of us say no, we get shiny new toys. I hadn’t touched my coils and shocks in almost decade, and wouldn’t have if one hadn’t been damaged in an accident. I’m really, really happy to see that I could get a true 4” dual rate coil kit properly level on all four corners for $550 with free shipping on Amazon.

If people aren’t jumping up and down realizing this, then the hive mind is alive and well, and all the specs in the world will continue to be a nice chart of numbers.
 
Dragos80 said:
Don't you want to know what you're buying?
What is in your food, drinks, shampoo, toys, etc?
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Corporations LOVE the uninformed! Just look at the law Moncento successfully lobbied to strike down that requires food to label with GMO information!



Box Rocket said:
Sure I want to know. That doesn't mean companies will always be willing to provide the details. I can understand why they want to keep some information to themselves in a competitive part of the market. If I can't get the details, I'm still going to make the best choice I can with the available info. Just because one company doesn't provide specs doesn't mean I'm going to exclude them from my choices purely out of principle. What's the saying, "cutting off your nose to spite your face"? Hypothetically, let's say Rancho was the only company willing to provide coil specs. Would you just say, "to hell with Slee, Icon, Slinky, OME, Ironman etc they're not getting my money since they won't give me the info I want? " when you know that the Rancho coils are the absolute worst choice possible?

For me, when the specs aren't readily available the best thing I can do is gather first hand feedback from people that are already using it and then try to experience it for myself firsthand. In this case it would be riding in different trucks that have the different setups. Fortunately I live in an area where there are a lot of built Cruisers that are set up in a variety of ways so I'm able to do that without too much hassle.
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I don’t have the money nor time to try every coil/shock combination just to see if I like one particular setup because the combination variations is staggering! Another reason I need to know is because my own requirements also change over time, at first I swear off adding weight and now I’m at over 6k lbs.

Without adaquate information I simply don’t want to waste my time and money, and time is far more valuable now and days.


If information isn’t important then why bother with Mud all together.
 
ElPolloBlanco said:
Edit* Never mind, I found my answer in a thread from the beginning of the month. Anyone in California looking to sell any of this stuff?



I figure that since We have a dedicated suspension sticky I’ll ask my question here.

I’m wondering which direction to go. I was looking at an OME J lift with L shocks. I’m pretty heavy in the front, dual batteries, AOE number with winch, and a York.

I’m not so heavy in the rear. Currently a terribly build storage system I need to redo and an Inti roof rack. Future plans to add weight to the rear include a 4x4 Labs rear with tire carrier and 2 Gerry can rack.

I’m putting my order in for some sliders after Christmas, and I plan to eventually add a RTT when I get the time and money.

I replaced my springs a couple years ago with OME stock height springs and they’ve done great. But the rig is putting on weight.

I’m on 285’s right now and plan to eventually go 35’s.

So with my current weight, and plans to add more, would it be fine to go 850j’s up front, 863’s in the rear. L shocks all the way around? When I do get the added weight in the rear and roof, it would be pretty easy to swap the 863’s out with some j’s.

I’m wanting to get the lift done in the next few months. So I’m not in a hurry. The initial plan was to add all the stuff, then weight it and lift it to that weight, but the front is already getting low with the stuff on there, and I’m kinda Jonesing for that lift right now.
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Once you added all your weight or before the RTT(easy to get number for those) then just spend 10 bucks at your local truck stop to find out your weight per axle, this info will great help in finding the right setup.


Just from your description I say you need OME comp front springs. I have the heavies and lighter than you and still feel a little soft. With RTT you probably will also need comp spring, I’m leaning toward comp springs and my heavies have less than 1000 miles on them.
 
Qball said:
Once you added all your weight or before the RTT(easy to get number for those) then just spend 10 bucks at your local truck stop to find out your weight per axle, this info will great help in finding the right setup.


Just from your description I say you need OME comp front springs. I have the heavies and lighter than you and still feel a little soft. With RTT you probably will also need comp spring, I’m leaning toward comp springs and my heavies have less than 1000 miles on them.
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Those are the 3039 and 3040 springs correct?
 
ElPolloBlanco said:
Those are the 3039 and 3040 springs correct?
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I am not sure which springs are 3039 and 3040. Below is the chart I made for OME spring reference. I have the heavy or 2850 front and 2863 rear. Unfortunately the front jumps from 220lb straight to 300lb for comp, but the rear is only extra 30lb jump to comp. Depends on how things goes with my dual batter I might switch both from and rear to comp springs.

OME front:
Model--------rate-----lift
OME 2861---170/220-----stock height (.25-.75)
OME 2851---220-----light to medium load (2-2.5 inch)
OME 2850---220-----heavy load (2-2.5 inch)
OME 2850J--220-----heavy load (3.5 inch)
OME 2418---300-----Comp heavy load (3 inch)
OME 2419---300-----Comp heavy load (4 inch)
OME 2420---300-----Comp heavy load (5 inch)

OME rear:
Model--------rate-----lift
OME 2862---170/220-----stock height (.25-.75)
OME 2860---220-----light to medium load (2-2.5 inch)
OME 2863---250-----heavy load (2-2.5 inch)
OME 2864---320-----extra heavy load (2-2.5 inch)
OME 2863J--250-----heavy load (3.5 inch)
OME 2421---280-----Comp heavy load (3 inch)
OME 2422---280-----Comp heavy load (4 inch)
OME 2423---280-----Comp heavy load (5 inch)
 
Thanks for getting this out of chit chat Qball...

Here is what I have from page #1
Here is the OME chart... I have not had time to finish this yet.
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/installation/ome_spring_specs.pdf

Competition coil specs (work in progress)

Compare comp coils to regular 80 series coils:
Description Name ~ Rate ~ Dia. ~ Height ~ Turns
3" Comp front~3039~220#~17mm~520/530~9.9
OMEfront~ 085J~220#~17mm~515/525~9.9
3" Comp rear 3040 250# 19mm 505/515 7.3
OME rear 863 250# 18mm 480/490 7
OME rear 863J 265# 18.5mm 505/515 7.7
3" Comp rear 2421 280# 18.9/19.29

4" Comp front 3051 220# 17mm 555/545 9.9
4"CompHDfront 0419 300# 18mm 540/530 9
4" Comp rear 3043 250# 19mm 540/530 8.3
4" Comp rear 2422 280# 19.88/20.28

HD
3"CompHDfront 0418 300# 18mm 505/515 9
3"CompHDrear 3049 320# 20mm 505/515 10.3

4"CompHDfront 0419 300# 18mm 540/530 9
4"Comp HD rear 3052 320# 20mm 540/530 8.3

5" Comp front 0420 300# 19mm 565/555 10.75
5" Comp rear 0423 280# 19.5mm 540/530 8.3
 
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Your rates on the 861 & 862 are incorrect.
They are:
861 is 170/250
862 is 170/260
 
GW Nugget said:
Your rates on the 861 & 862 are incorrect.
They are:
861 is 170/250
862 is 170/260
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Weird, I got those numbers off of a pdf from arb website. Although from the feel of it you Could be right.
 
I compiled the 80 series & 100 series coils together along with the Comps all in one chart.
Hope this helps... again if you see any specs incorrect defiantly PM me to get right.
Old Man Emu

OME pdf spec carts
Start at page 145 for 80 series coils.
http://www.arbusa.com/Uploads/PDF/onlineManualsGuides/OME_Guide_current.pdf

http://www.arbusa.com/uploads/PDF/accessorizeYourRig/toyotaLandCruiser80Lexus450.pdf

http://www.sleeoffroad.com/installation/ome_spring_specs.pdf

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Great thread, and I also agree with the tendency for people to go safe and mainstream at the cost of innovation and ultimately, good solutions. I haven't read the entire thread (these forums are terrible for up-to-date concise answers, a curated wiki would be better, but I digress), but I've been pretty unhappy with our spring options, and the information about what's out there; so this is a great resource, thanks to those that have contributed.

I spoke to Deaver many years back, and they can do custom springs, to the tune of 300-400 a pair. That was sight-unseen as well, so if you actually went to them and did measurements of weights and travel, they'd be able to tune them even better.
 
Also, I wanted to add, 100 springs work with our truck and I don't see much mention of them. I'm currently running 850J/865s on my unloaded FZJ. I don't know if I got mismarked or bad 850Js, but I was running them with 860s for years and was pretty unhappy with still being stinkbug, so I decided to lower the rear as I don't like being lifted, but I do like clearance (from my old desert prerunner days). I think I'll probably switch the 865s to 862s to allow some ability to load it up, and call it done for awhile.

850J/865 w/ Fox 2.0 10" travel RR shocks (OTS models, before they had 80 fitments.). Ride is great, still a little jarring sometimes, but the rubber suspension bits are all original, so that's on the list...
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Fosters said:
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This happened today...75mm dobinsons slinkies
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Just AWESOME... get back with us to give an accurate center of hub to bottom of flare measurements for historical value.
Also tells us how much stuff or weight is your rig?
 
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