Builds Turbo 1FZFE FZJ80 Build

[scottryana]

Very serious build! Are you doing a stand alone engine management? Since the bottom end is already apart have you thought about new aftermarket rods? Are you also doing new fuel system? Or is the plan still to button it back together and turn the boost up to a level the stock computer and fuel system can handle? With this cooler weather it would be fun to be able to play with the boost levels.

 

[jamisobe]

Very serious build! Are you doing a stand alone engine management? Since the bottom end is already apart have you thought about new aftermarket rods? Are you also doing new fuel system? Or is the plan still to button it back together and turn the boost up to a level the stock computer and fuel system can handle? With this cooler weather it would be fun to be able to play with the boost levels.

Stock rods are good for up to 1000bhp which is higher than I'll ever get. The deck was a mess so we decided to pull the short block to get it decked and honed for new rings. Upon dissassembly we found some scoring on the rod journal bearings. I figured that with it apart now was the time to fix it right so I took it to Kotzur for a complete refresh. Plan hasn't changed though. Still gonna max it out on stock fueling with the long block prepped for a stand alone and twice the fuel. Then later on down the road, if I get the wild hair, I will upgrade the tranny and give the motor the big boost.

 

[scottryana]

Yeah I have heard 800ft/lbs for the rods, which is pretty huge, but you also have a pretty big turbo. haha. I am glad you decided to clean up your block when I was up there it looked like it needed to be at least decked, now that you have had both the head and block done you can run a cometic headgasket with less worries. Are you going to go fairly thick to get any drop in compression?

 

[jamisobe]

Yeah I have heard 800ft/lbs for the rods, which is pretty huge, but you also have a pretty big turbo. haha. I am glad you decided to clean up your block when I was up there it looked like it needed to be at least decked, now that you have had both the head and block done you can run a cometic headgasket with less worries. Are you going to go fairly thick to get any drop in compression?

Yeah, there are more than several guys that have dyno'd huge torque numbers on stock rods in excess of 800ftlbs. I'll have to keep an eye on that number as fuel is added in the future. New rods won't fit my budget. Can't remember who it was, but one guy went from 4:56 to 4:10s and dropped the torque from 800 something ftlbs down to 600 something ftlbs. I am still running 4:10s.

The deck was definitely nasty and it had to be serviced. I'm using a .075 Cometic with the goal of keeping the compression close to stock. I am expecting that with the all of the new flow work, tight rings and the new 2600-2800 stall TC that boost is now fully on at go. Kotzur thought that stock compression or even a tad higher would be the way to go even if I eventually make it to 20psi. When it was first running it was coming on full boost at 2800 with the stock stall speed, stock motor, and a big Flowmaster/90 degree bend still restricting the exhaust.

 

[scottryana]

Very cool, can't wait to hear how it turns out!

Yeah, there are more than several guys that have dyno'd huge torque numbers on stock rods in excess of 800ftlbs. I'll have to keep an eye on that number as fuel is added in the future. New rods won't fit my budget. Can't remember who it was, but one guy went from 4:56 to 4:10s and dropped the torque from 800 something ftlbs down to 600 something ftlbs. I am still running 4:10s.

The deck was definitely nasty and it had to be serviced. I'm using a .075 Cometic with the goal of keeping the compression close to stock. I am expecting that with the all of the new flow work, tight rings and the new 2600-2800 stall TC that boost is now fully on at go. Kotzur thought that stock compression or even a tad higher would be the way to go even if I eventually make it to 20psi. When it was first running it was coming on full boost at 2800 with the stock stall speed, stock motor, and a big Flowmaster/90 degree bend still restricting the exhaust.

 

[NKP Garage]

We are down to 2 solid options for tuning that will enable us to have both pre-tuned mail order setups and mail order tuning options that are fully tunable. We will be working on making it a plug-n-play solution to make it an easy installation. This option will be available sometime in 2013 for mail order, but for anyone interested in a tuned setup here at our shop we can do it now.

After jamisobe's engine is back here from the machine shop we should have it all back together and running fairly quickly and on the dyno for some testing.

 

[Intellex]

Can't wait to see numbers.

Been sourcing parts for an LSX swap, but love the idea of slapping in a turbo kit instead.

 

[Dusty]

I just finished reading. Nice setup. simple.

Cant wait to see more of these turbod 1fzfe's.

Mine still runs 10lbs boost all day. Flogged without restraint bouncing off the rev limiter so many times that I feel guilty. This motor is possibly immortal.

 

[NKP Garage]

I just finished reading. Nice setup. simple.

Cant wait to see more of these turbod 1fzfe's.

Mine still runs 10lbs boost all day. Flogged without restraint bouncing off the rev limiter so many times that I feel guilty. This motor is possibly immortal.

That's good to hear. I think people underestimate how amazing these motors really are. If done properly, they are capable of some amazing power while still being very reliable.

 

[alia176]

I just finished reading. Nice setup. simple.

Cant wait to see more of these turbod 1fzfe's.

Mine still runs 10lbs boost all day. Flogged without restraint bouncing off the rev limiter so many times that I feel guilty. This motor is possibly immortal.

And I can attest to Dusty's style of driving....drove it like he stole it

 

[Wheelingnoob]

I just finished reading. Nice setup. simple.

Cant wait to see more of these turbod 1fzfe's.

Mine still runs 10lbs boost all day. Flogged without restraint bouncing off the rev limiter so many times that I feel guilty. This motor is possibly immortal.

Dusty, I have read your 1 ton thread and was wondering if you had something similar to it for the turbo set-up? What turbo are you running, how is it attached to the motor and so on.

 

[jamisobe]

I just finished reading. Nice setup. simple.

Cant wait to see more of these turbod 1fzfe's.

Mine still runs 10lbs boost all day. Flogged without restraint bouncing off the rev limiter so many times that I feel guilty. This motor is possibly immortal.

I think Turbocruiser is doing the same thing with his Safari turbo set up. I think he nixed the 7th injector and the chip originally sold with that set up so he is running only on stock fueling with the stock ECU. IIRC he was running 10.5lbs of boost on his set up and I think he did some dyno testing. Then again, I might be off on some of those details.

 

[Silver surf]

Is the the 80's maf a hotwire setup?

 

[Dusty]

i did a turbo build

search "turbo" in title under my name and it will be there



I dont see a need for the 7th injector if you are staying 10 lbs of boost or less.
The only reason i dont run more booste is because thats all the boost i can get. i have a manual booste controller and have it cranked all the down. the booste guage stops at just a hair over 10 lbs. i probably need to mess with the external wastegate to get more boost. possibly need to cap it off altogether and see what happens.

the truck is in such a heap right now. the drivetrain is the only healthy thing left. i smashed the hell out of her this past year trying to get her up Backdoor at the hammers. broke the rest of the glass out and exploded a 35sp rear shaft on the dana 70. I litterally had it pinned for 10 seconds strait bouncing up and down that wall. the tranny still shifts hard as ever. the tcase is tight. she passed smog perfectly last winter...

 

[Tapage]

I litterally had it pinned for 10 seconds strait bouncing up and down that wall.

I would like to see that ..

 

[Wheelingnoob]

Well ordered up some sch 40 1.5" pipe I got 4 tee's and 2 90 deg's. I have a friend with a water jet cutting me some manifold flanges. I plan ot make a simple log style manifold and have the turbo mount off the bottom (like the safari). This is going to be a very slow process, I have no budget for this so will buy parts as I have funds. I have birf's and gears that I need much more than a turbo right now.

The plan is to keep the turbo simple and cheap wile still using name brand quality parts. Precision, BW EFR and Garrett are the ones I'm looking at.

I plan to use a Water/air IC and possibly water injection, max boost will be 8-10psi. I plan to use the water injection to offset the need to run premium gas if I can not get it. I have done all this before and feel confident in my ability to make this set up up work.

I just started putting Armour on my truck and I see the need for a turbo in a big way now as well as a re gear.

 

[alia176]

It's been a while but I seem to recall that someone made a log style of turbo manifold. Perhaps it was Dusty? This must've been back in 2007 era if my failing memory is worth anything......

 

[Wheelingnoob]

It's been a while but I seem to recall that someone made a log style of turbo manifold. Perhaps it was Dusty? This must've been back in 2007 era if my failing memory is worth anything......

Yes it was, his was a bit different than what I have envisioned. I plan to keep mine simple log, his he kept the 2 banks seprait up to the turbo flange. I know he ended up replacing it because of cracking issues. Not sure where the cracking happened though, looking at the manifold made I would assume they where around the merge of the two banks. If I have cracking issues on mine I will make a Toyota style manifold slip joint.

I have made a few log manifolds (SS and mild) and as long as you are not over heating the weld areas and making them overly complex they work great. The tubular SS manifolds I have made always end up with cracks at some point in fact all the tubular manifolds I have seen end up cracking at some point.

With a truck like ours that may and will see deep water having something thick like a sch40 becomes a good thing. The effect of quenching a hot manifold has huge implications on it. On the thinner tubular ones they can crack right away.

 

[Wheelingnoob]

Out of curiosity I sent an e-mail to Turbo Glide to get a price on there 1fz manifold. There manifold is a great design with a built in slip to account for the expansion of the head. Looks like a few guys in OZ have had the treadstone manifolds crack.

$1099 AUS + GST + Shipping

 

[scottryana]

http://www.turboglide.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=85