What Did You Do with Your 80 This Weekend? (70 Viewers)

[hamishpotter]

Took my Dad holiday shopping in rain and snow (sorry no pics).

Merry Christmas and happy holidays!

 

[LS1FJ40]

I was thinking the same thing. I haven't been happy with any lights on the roof. Between glare in the windshield and fog/rain glare I'm very close to removing my roof lights.

In the past I always ran lights on the bumper and lights on the roof. Two separate purposes. Roof lights wouldn't be used in the rain/fog because of the glare.

 

[bryson]

You want to run the JJ's on the lower at the frame and the opposite for the upper....

I'd be sacred to run them both on the same location as it could really cause for a wondering rear end... that's putting all your axel centering force solely on your panhard...

The fixed bushings should counter act the side to side flex of the JJ, and thus allow max articulation when reversed in location from top to bottom.

To summeraize JJ at frame on lower, JJ at axel on upper.

-A

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I do not agree.

I don't think that running the Johnny Joints in the manner you recommended is a bad idea necessarily, but your listed reasons do not make sense.

Running the JJs on the axle end of both the upper and lower arms will not cause wandering, nor will it put any additional stresses on your panhard. The JJs (or OEM bushings, poly bushings, heims or whatever) mounted in our links will offer no measurable lateral stability, and therefore do not add or remove forces to/from your panhard. Also, the link brackets on the axle and the frame are not designed, positioned or intended to handle forces from a link providing lateral stability. The panhard is designed to be the sole lateral centering component of your suspension.

My personal preference is to run the flex joint at the axle and the bushing at the frame (both upper and lower links.) During articulation, the joint at the axle end sees more twisting and side-side deflection of the joint in relation to the mounting bracket, where the frame end will twist some, but the majority of the movement at the frame is up/down rather than twisting.

 

[baldilocks]

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I do not agree.

I don't think that running the Johnny Joints in the manner you recommended is a bad idea necessarily, but your listed reasons do not make sense.

Running the JJs on the axle end of both the upper and lower arms will not cause wandering, nor will it put any additional stresses on your panhard. The JJs (or OEM bushings, poly bushings, heims or whatever) mounted in our links will offer no measurable lateral stability, and therefore do not add or remove forces to/from your panhard. Also, the link brackets on the axle and the frame are not designed, positioned or intended to handle forces from a link providing lateral stability. The panhard is designed to be the sole lateral centering component of your suspension.

My personal preference is to run the flex joint at the axle and the bushing at the frame (both upper and lower links.) During articulation, the joint at the axle end sees more twisting and side-side deflection of the joint in relation to the mounting bracket, where the frame end will twist some, but the majority of the movement at the frame is up/down rather than twisting.

Regardless of opinion, the links in question, as well as the very similarly designed MT version, are designed such that the lowers are run with the poly bushing at the axle and the JJ at the frame.

 

[bryson]

Regardless of opinion, the links in question, as well as the very similarly designed MT version, are designed such that the lowers are run with the poly bushing at the axle and the JJ at the frame.

Like I said, I do not think it's a bad idea to run them that way. I was simply explaining that the reasons stated earlier for running them that way were not legitimate reasons.

As for the manufacturers that tell you to run their arms in that configuration - that's great. I'd run them the way the manufacturer tells me to as well. The jam nuts hitting the bracket are a great reason to run them that way. If I were building my own however, I'd build them so I could run them the way I stated before as my personal preference.

There is a LOT of misinformation about suspension and suspension geometry in this thread (it is the internet after all...) so take all of these posts (mine included) with a grain of salt. It is up to the owner/installer to run things the way they want, which means it is up to them to do the research and make up their own minds on the subject.

 

[baldilocks]

Like I said, I do not think it's a bad idea to run them that way. I was simply explaining that the reasons stated earlier for running them that way were not legitimate reasons.

As for the manufacturers that tell you to run their arms in that configuration - that's great. I'd run them the way the manufacturer tells me to as well. The jam nuts hitting the bracket are a great reason to run them that way. If I were building my own however, I'd build them so I could run them the way I stated before as my personal preference.

There is a LOT of misinformation about suspension and suspension geometry in this thread (it is the internet after all...) so take all of these posts (mine included) with a grain of salt. It is up to the owner/installer to run things the way they want, which means it is up to them to do the research and make up their own minds on the subject.

It's very obvious which way their arms/links were meant to be installed. Bashing a JJ on boulders when I don't have to seems like the way to go anyway.

 

[bryson]

It's very obvious which way their arms/links were meant to be installed. Bashing a JJ on boulders when I don't have to seems like the way to go anyway.

Awesome. Like I said again, I would also run them the way the manufacturer intended. And we can argue all day about which end of the link is going to get hammered on the rocks more, but I don't think the Johnny Joint will care - they're just as stout as (if not more so than) any bushing sleeve.


On a side note, does Currie make a Johnny Joint with the proper width and bolt size to fit our 80 link brackets? Do the Metal Tech/Trail Tailor/other arms using JJs run spacers for width or require enlarging the bolt hole?

 

[TRAIL TAILOR]

Awesome. Like I said again, I would also run them the way the manufacturer intended. And we can argue all day about which end of the link is going to get hammered on the rocks more, but I don't think the Johnny Joint will care - they're just as stout as (if not more so than) any bushing sleeve.


On a side note, does Currie make a Johnny Joint with the proper width and bolt size to fit our 80 link brackets? Do the Metal Tech/Trail Tailor/other arms using JJs run spacers for width or require enlarging the bolt hole?

My JJs and bushing ends are both sized properly for the application and accept a 18mm bolt (for the 80 series, varies per series/model) No need for spacers.

 

[ERG80]

Merry Christmas all!

Parked the cruiser for Christmas Friday night at 199998 and driving home hit 200000. Time for some New Years preventative maintenance.

 

[Josey1972]

I sniffed Herculiner while coating my rocksliders and simultaneously watched fluid drip out the bottom of my radiator. Ahhhhh, the good ol' days.

 

[chap79]

Merry Christmas. First snow of the season.

 

[LS1FJ40]

Got my rear lights mounted and hooked up.

Surprisingly it didn't take forever and no panic involved. Amazing when you know what you are doing! Thanks to @solomrus @george_tlc and @NLXTACY for helping me yesterday so that this was easier today!

 

[ifsmithy]

Bit of Jackson Hole Christmas skiing...

That Teton pass is no joke....

 

[Gorilla]

Went and bought new Tyres as the ones that came from Japan on the Alloys were rubbish, except for the spare which was still un used, but still a little hard. Naturally went with the same Toyo Open Country. Pretty expensive tyre
IMG_20161222_071230_907 by Shane, on Flickr
IMG_20161223_172533_788 by Shane, on Flickr
IMG_20161223_193115_852 by Shane, on Flickr

 

[FloridaCruiser22]

Went and bought new Tyres as the ones that came from Japan on the Alloys were rubbish, except for the spare which was still un used, but still a little hard. Naturally went with the same Toyo Open Country. Pretty expensive tyre
IMG_20161222_071230_907 by Shane, on Flickr
IMG_20161223_172533_788 by Shane, on Flickr
IMG_20161223_193115_852 by Shane, on Flickr

Do you have a link for those wheels? They look nice

 

[Aloha Jen]

Christmas with the cruisers. Happy Holidays MUD Ohana!!

 

[ExpoGeorgia]

@Aloha Jen Merry Christmas to you and your family! And wow, didn't know you had a 60! Nice fleet

 

[JohnnyOshow22]

Merry Christmas everyone! Scored some trail gear spindle nuts for the 80 (those will be going on this week) and then my girlfriend brought out a badass coat hanger that she came up with and had her cousin fabricate!

 

[Jroach321]

Cleaned a spare axle up.

 

[grizzlygibbs]

Cleaned a spare axle up.

What did you use? Looks shiney! How long will that last?