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@sogncab do you know if Schane is on here?
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Or insta
I will ask him.
If he is, I've no idea what his handle is
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This came acoss my youtube. I found it to be a very good video on locker design.
Not a huge fan of the idea of using the Eaton for a crawling oriented rig with the roll back unlock issue. Wouldn't be an issue most of the time, but in sketchy situations I imagine that's the last thing I would want.
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The strength difference in the OEM 80 locker is pretty cool too.
I’ve always said this plus the fact that you can manually lock it is a game changer.
I have actually done that real world. It can be done in less than 20 minutes.
That is my gut reaction at first as well.
Reality though after thinking about it a bit, I don't think it matters. Eyeball, less than 5º of rotation.
35" tire has a circumference of 110" (pi × diameter)
5/360=.0138 percentage of a full rotation
.0138×110=1.52" of rotation.
There's some real odd situations that might matter. Maybe.
It would only potentially be an issue in rare circumstances, like having to back up a little to readjust your line and that slight, but important, loss of traction after backing up to readjust could make all the difference when trying to crawl up something. That may be a good thing in the front though as it may help you steer to adjust. May just be blowing it out of proportion. I have no first hand experience with them, just theories.
But if you are @fjdiesel with Eaton's and a 606 with a broken throttle, it doesn't matter because you are just powering up everything without stopping anyways
That being said, I'd still put one in the 70 and move the LSD to the front.
It would only potentially be an issue in rare circumstances, like having to back up a little to readjust your line and that slight, but important, loss of traction after backing up to readjust could make all the difference when trying to crawl up something. That may be a good thing in the front though as it may help you steer to adjust. May just be blowing it out of proportion. I have no first hand experience with them, just theories.
But if you are @fjdiesel with Eaton's and a 606 with a broken throttle, it doesn't matter because you are just powering up everything without stopping anyways
That being said, I'd still put one in the 70 and move the LSD to the front.
I have Eatons front and rear. Have never noticed any unloading with them. And have backed up plenty of times. Yes, as @DirtSniffer said, there wasn't any backing up in the Black Hills when my throttle pedal wasn't working, it was just give it forward. lol. After seeing @sogncab math equation, I would say that is why I have not noticed it. Because it is only an inch or two..
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I just actually ran across this too, last night.
Learned something about those 80 lockers, awesome for sure.
Has anyone here had real world experience with air lines being a problem with the arb setup?
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Not lines, but both of mine leak like a sieve with less than 5K on them. Rear is a bonded seal, haven't dug into the front yet. I've never had a problem with lines.
That's a non-issue. Carry some line and some splice connectors and it's easy to repair remotely.
The issue is usually in the differential. The seal wears and pressurizes the housing pushing fluid out of the seals in the housing if not vented correctly. Then it pushes oil out the vents.
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I had Detroit lockers in my first gen 4 runner and imho they were the best locker experience I ever had they were always on when I needed them and only occasionally would pop on street driving. That being said in my 60 build I'm going with eatons. Hope I like em...
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I really like selectable and knowing I have control over when they engage. I may try a set of eatons yet, I've had nothing but problems with leaks from my ARBs, but I do love the engagement on them at nearly any speed, plus onboard air is nice.
I'd really like a set of cables like an OX, but those don't really seem to exist for a lot of applications.
agreed selectable is always preferred. My 4runner came with the Detroit lockers already installed, at first I thought I would hate them but it was totally the opposite. I think the lack of complexity and never having to think about it are really what got me in a good way.
I wish tinkerer's adventures would have done some deep dive into the Detroit's on the video as well.
Ps been following your build for years and really enjoy it. Keep up the awesome work, it's an inspiration!
And on a side note I did really use the rig, it wasn't just mall crawled so they were battle tested...lol
Like one time I drove over the median(at least 6" high) to avoid the pickup line at my kiddos school, that's hardcore right there
Like one time I drove over the median(at least 6" high) to avoid the pickup line at my kiddos school, that's hardcore right there
That's my main driver for wanting air lockers. It's easier to chase down an air leak than it is an electrical issue as well.
With that said, I'll probably put E-lockers in an 80 if I find the right one to turn into a trail beater. The factory lockers in the 80 are aggravating slow in my opinion.
Unless it’s internal/inside the diff and no matter what you can’t manually engage in air locker.
If the 80 series lockers are working correctly there no need for instant engagement just turn them on and go the first bit of tire slipping they lock.
And after a decade of using them I find they lock quickly for the most part.
If there not then they need service after all they’re nearly 30 years old or more.
