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GLTHFJ60 said:
Thanks for reading! The thread here is significantly longer than the 4BT swaps thread, so grab some beer and set aside a couple of hours if you intend to read the whole thing. Tales of great immaturity, poor decisions and of the immense generosity of our community are all here ;) Sprinkled through the pages are some glimpses of maturity, good decisions and cruiser tech :D

1. Long plans are good. Centralize your planning around what type of vehicle will enable you to have the most fun. By type I mean FJ60 ( of course ), but SOA vs. SUA, gasoline vs. diesel, manual vs. automatic, shiny straight body or bedliner-coated and dented body. Costs can be great, but space is the absolute key element. The vast majority of this build has happened in a series of garages, shops and barns that I do not own. This build literally would not have happened were it not for the incredible people that associate themselves with TLCA sanctioned clubs. If you are going to wait to do your build ( the smart thing to do ) then buy a house with a garage ( large garage ) first. Once that's set up then buy a DD and rip your cruiser apart and build until you've built your dream.

That said, I've done the exact opposite. In college I'd literally all of my money, including beer money :eek:, on cruiser parts to get the next project done. Now that I've done all of this work, I'm going to slow down and get myself into a house either with a shop or enough land that I can build a shop of my own. I couldn't be happier with the way I've done it as I've met some of my best friends through this and other builds.

2. She's hooked up and running now. I've been DD'ing Moonshine for about a week and a half without any complaints. I am not going to give you a good basis of comparison because in addition to the engine I also changed out the transmission, so I'm relearning how to drive this truck ( again ). I can tell you that there is a noticeable difference in usable torque and it pulls harder up to 2500rpm than my 2F did up to 3500rpm. The power curve is pretty close to the same so it drives pretty similarly, the 4BT just has more power. The 2F, at least in my eyes, was built like a diesel in terms of power and longevity, with the difference being it runs on gasoline.

3. Complexity. The 4BT is really just as complex as a desmogged 2F. They're both pushrod motors that are timed via a gearset on the front of the motor. The carb and distributor on a 2F is replaced with an injection pump and injectors on a 4BT. The injection pump seems to be about as difficult to rebuild as an Aisin carb. The 4BT needs three wires to start, the 2F a couple more than that, but relatively speaking, they are about equal complexity levels in my opinion.

When you start talking about power improvements is when the 4BT becomes a whole lot simpler. You can get crazy if you want in P&P the head, aftermarket camshaft, the works, but none of that is necessary to get 250hp out of this motor. Turn a couple of screws on the IP and you'll get up to ~150hp ( from 105hp ) for free. Change a turbo and get an aftermarket fuel pin and you should be close to 200hp. Get new injectors on top of that and you're well over 200hp. Try doing that with a 2F without spending $4k.

4. Range. This is where the 4BT excels over the 2F. I don't have my speedo hooked up yet but after driving for a week, I've burned what seems to be about 1/8 tank of fuel. With comparable driving habits and the 2F, I'd have burned 1/4 to 1/3 of a tank by now. Take that with a large grain of salt because I don't have speedo hooked up, but it seems to be more efficient to me. Long trips will become immediately cheaper as a result of a a 4BT swap. That's offset by the increased cost of the truck, but 60s are pretty cheap to come by these days anyway.

If we ever meet up I'll have you drive Moonshine so you can make a decision as to whether or not you want a 4BT.


Well said. A little too well said, I officially want one now. Thanks.

Great job man.
 
What are your plans for the exhaust/muffler?

I posted this over in the diesel forum. I have an annoying drone sound at 2100 RPM and am trying to kill it.

I was set on getting an Aero Turbine muffler, but I started seeing a bunch of good info about the FTE resonator.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/ft...ne-4040-a.html

Good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smSxphW1Dt0

I have only started figuring out what I intend to do with my exhaust and it seems that you've done some research for me already!

I know I want to do 3" mandrel-bent exhaust all the way back but I haven't even started looking into what muffler or resonator I'm going to use. I should have enough space to keep the exhaust above the frame and on the passenger side.

The link you posted above is incomplete. Care to post it again?

I do know that boots4 put a spiral insert into his exhaust system and from what I remember, he liked it. Mike, care to chime in?

Well said. A little too well said, I officially want one now. Thanks.

Great job man.

Just telling the story the way it happened. You're welcome :cool:

Thank you sir!
 
I do know that boots4 put a spiral insert into his exhaust system and from what I remember, he liked it. Mike, care to chime in?

I've run the spiral baffle in a couple of places, the best being in the end of the tail pipe. And I've taken it out and run strictly straight pipe. There was lower egts and a little more performance with it out. I just looked at the sight and see that for diesel truck's 4" is the smallest there is now. Right now I cut it in half and put it back in the end of the tail pipe to reduce the rasp of open pipe. If I were to redo my exhaust (which I'm planning when I get that other turbo installed, increasing to a ridiculous 4") I would look at some kind of straight through muffler to remove the rasp but allow the flow.
 
I have heard a few Aero Turbine Mufflers and they do a very good job. I plan to put a 3030XL on my 4BD when I get that far.
 
Based on Mike's experience and my unwillingness to adapt my exhaust for a muffler, I think I'm going to skip on the FTE resonator. The Aero mufflers Jeremy mentioned look really nice though. I might go that route!

http://tecexhaust.com/default/aero-exhaust-at3030xl.html

Had my first issue since I've started driving it this weekend. The two bolts holding the transmission crossmember in had loosened and fallen out, making for an interesting drive home. I got a couple of new bolts and put them in, but found out that the mount was stripped. Ordered a new one from my local Autozone. Moonshine will be down until Wednesday when it comes in.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/pa...1y7rZ6o36u?itemIdentifier=354590_270987_5933_

http://econtent.autozone.com:24999/znetcs/psb/en_US/2/0/1574/egs17112.pdf
 
Napa has a completely different part number ( of course ) but the part will be in this afternoon. Booyah!

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?R=BK_7355860_0326937923

This is what the mount I'm using looks like:

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Got my picture upload working again. Here's a pic proving that I've been driving her. I needed diesel!

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Also swapped out the reservoir on my PS pump. Picked up a reman unit for a '95 Chevy K3500 with the 6.5. Took the whole accessory drive off of the 4BT to make removal of the old reservoir with the split line easier. No more PS leaks!

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Most recently you can see my problem. In this picture you can see the threads in the tranny mount, but when the new bolts went in, they pulled the rest of the threads out. Minor setback, but a relatively easy fix with a floor jack:

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Enough useless updates for today, more interesting sound deadening projects coming up in the following weeks. If anyone has a brown carpet kit for a 60 for sale, let me know!!
 
Saturday I completed some wheeling and dealing. I traded my pitbulls for a set of Goodyear MTs on steel rims + $150. I think I got a good deal. With the wore out 285s that were on my truck I was spinning 2100rpm to go 65mph, which is way too much. The 37" MTs should bring that down quite a bit.

This is the end of my locking lugnut tragedy. I've gone through 3 locknut keys ( last one pictured here ) so this time around I cut some notches in the locknuts and pounded a 19mm socket on there. Used the press to press the locknuts out each time. Socket didn't seem any worse for the wear.

FU you stupid lock nuts.

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Looks much better with the MTs.

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More updates as the weeks go on.
 
looking great. Any fumes get in the cab from your muffler?

Nope, no fumes in the cab. I do need to come up with an exhaust though, this SOB is loud!
 
It looks like your front springs are pretty unhappy in your picture. What's going on there?

Loud is kind of the nature of it. The 2 4BTs that I've spent time around, both sound like road building equipment.
 
It looks like your front springs are pretty unhappy in your picture. What's going on there?

Loud is kind of the nature of it. The 2 4BTs that I've spent time around, both sound like road building equipment.

Both front springs ride around inverted 100% of the time now. They're as dead as it gets. I've got a set of worn out OME front springs sitting in my garage waiting to be installed.

Loud is the nature of it, but with a 3' exhaust, no muffler and no sound insulation on the inside ( no carpet, no nothing ) it's excessively loud. I'm going to put a big ol muffler on there with a bunch of sound deadening and I'm confident that it will be significantly quieter.
 
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Yes, sound deadening will be your friend.

I've been following that muffler thread on 4btswaps and my 2 cents is to find something that is a straight through design. Turbos spool better and exhaust gases leave easier. Muffling is great but restricting is not.
 
Yes, sound deadening will be your friend.

I've been following that muffler thread on 4btswaps and my 2 cents is to find something that is a straight through design. Turbos spool better and exhaust gases leave easier. Muffling is great but restricting is not.

I'm OK with a little bit of restriction if it is quiet. I was thinking about a Flowmaster 40 series muffler. While not quite straight through, it should flow well. Thoughts?
 
What gears are you running? I ended up putting 3.73's to get my RPM's down while also running 35" tires.

I'm still debating getting an AeroTurbine or FTE muffler. I need to crawl under the truck and see what fits.

The truck looks good, Johnny! Are those tires the military MT/R variants?
 
What gears are you running? I ended up putting 3.73's to get my RPM's down while also running 35" tires.

I'm still debating getting an AeroTurbine or FTE muffler. I need to crawl under the truck and see what fits.

The truck looks good, Johnny! Are those tires the military MT/R variants?

I'm running 4.10s as that is what comes with the 80 series e-lockers. I like the elockers and I don't want to have to regear each diff I pick up. I'll get her out on the highway to see what RPMs I'm running now and report my findings. Calculator says I should be at 65.7mph at 1850rpm, much better.

Exhaust is something I need to get started on sooner rather than later. Scott suggested the 40 series flowmaster so I'm going to go that route.

Thanks for the compliments man! They are the military MT/R tire that you can buy from all of the military surplus suppliers.
 
I'm OK with a little bit of restriction if it is quiet. I was thinking about a Flowmaster 40 series muffler. While not quite straight through, it should flow well. Thoughts?

That would not be my choice. Simply routing the exhaust all the way out the end will also help shift that noise to the rear which you have planned anyways. Add a straight through muffler and I think you'd be golden. The rest of the noise, at least the dominant noise for me, is engine and that's where the sound deadening helps out. At highway speeds it a mixture of tire, wind and engine noise. The engine noise does not drown out the others, in fact wind noise is a pretty big one.
 

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