From Hundy to 2024 LC 250?

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I'll hold judgement until I see the front end steering, suspension and differential. Not very worried about the rear control arms, axle, differential and that can be upgraded. Not even worried about the 4 cylinder hybrid drivetrain because the GX V6TT is a great alternative.

Almost every time I wheel the 100 in the rocks, I wish it was 7/8 the body width. The wheelbase is fine. So, the 250 is appealing to me.
 
I find myself not moving to a 200, it just felt so much bigger and bulky. The power increase was nice don’t get me wrong, I just can’t justify needing it.

Maybe put a 5.7 in a 100? Vrrooom
Funny you say that, I have not driven a 200 yet so this can change. I was thinking of the LX so it would be more luxo barge tastic vs my rugged LC.
It would be nice to pick up a 200 before first major service (30k or their abouts) and maintain the crap out of it instead of my 100 where I’m the 5th owner. We’ll see.
 
04 LC100 here, I’m thinking of a final year lc200 myself, keeping the 100 of course.

Will be interesting to see if the J250 impacts 200 pricing. These are the two lowest priced 2021 LCs across the entire country today.
$75K with 60k miles. As usual, the LX570 is few $k cheaper.

Before the J250 I was part of the demand pool for a used 200. Not anymore unless the J250 is a disappointment in person. Don't think I'm alone. YMMV.

 
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Will be interesting to see if the J250 impacts 200 pricing.
Going to be interesting, at least they’re still selling 300s, even if it’s on the Lexy variant.

100s seem to already hit bottom 2019. 12 years after final production run. Wonder what the 80s was like, never did much research on them.
 
It’s amazing how many expert opinions we have on the car industry. I’m surprised these people haven’t started their own car company and dominated the industry. It’s very easy to judge the king without penalties of failure. The 200 series didn’t sell but half the people on this thread think it’s the holy grail. And maybe it is but if it doesn’t sell then what to do????? A lot of y’all have zero clue how big business works.
 
It’s amazing how many expert opinions we have on the car industry. I’m surprised these people haven’t started their own car company and dominated the industry. It’s very easy to judge the king without penalties of failure. The 200 series didn’t sell but half the people on this thread think it’s the holy grail. And maybe it is but if it doesn’t sell then what to do????? A lot of y’all have zero clue how big business works.
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That’s a mouthful. I suspect quite wrong.
 
It’s amazing how many expert opinions we have on the car industry. I’m surprised these people haven’t started their own car company and dominated the industry. It’s very easy to judge the king without penalties of failure. The 200 series didn’t sell but half the people on this thread think it’s the holy grail. And maybe it is but if it doesn’t sell then what to do????? A lot of y’all have zero clue how big business works.

I never claimed to be an expert in the car industry, but I have been purchasing the LC/LX for ~30 years, and I am an expert on what I’m willing to spend ~$100k on.

So I should just shut up and buy a Camry/Prius/RAV4 and like it, because Toyota knows what I need?

If I thought that the 200 were the holy grail, I’d probably have at least one in my driveway, but somehow I don’t. It is always amazing to me, the low sales volume of the 200 series, because of the number that I see in my neighborhood, and along my commute, but apparently these neighborhoods are not the norm.

I have worked in big business long enough to wonder how much this new Land Cruiser will cannibalize sales of the 4Runner, vs convert previous Land Cruiser purchasers.
 
It’s only been ~37 years (and multiple generations), since Toyota offered a (US) Land Cruiser, with a manual transmission…

One can hope, but I wouldn’t recommend “holding your breath”. As long as you’re at it, can you hope for a diesel too?
Been many years since ford made a bronco manual too but they crossed the bridge.

Considering the headaches associated epa components on diesel engines and current diesel prices I personally prefer a gas burner for personal daily drivers.
 
One thing I will say is I do like Toyota's philosophy on EV's/hybrids. Some higher up swore off all electric EV's because they're not the most efficient. They also don't use li-ion I've read because of safety concerns. They use the electric motor as torque fill so they can optimize the engine for efficient energy production. So perhaps these hybrids won't be so stressed. I'd prefer a turbodiesel hybrid but it probably doesn't make sense since they already produce torque efficiently.
 
I never claimed to be an expert in the car industry, but I have been purchasing the LC/LX for ~30 years, and I am an expert on what I’m willing to spend ~$100k on.

So I should just shut up and buy a Camry/Prius/RAV4 and like it, because Toyota knows what I need?

If I thought that the 200 were the holy grail, I’d probably have at least one in my driveway, but somehow I don’t. It is always amazing to me, the low sales volume of the 200 series, because of the number that I see in my neighborhood, and along my commute, but apparently these neighborhoods are not the norm.

I have worked in big business long enough to wonder how much this new Land Cruiser will cannibalize sales of the 4Runner, vs convert previous Land Cruiser purchasers.
Somehow, I think Toyota would like to see sales for LC/X versions return to 100 series levels and better. I think price and body style held the 200 series sales back.

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Discontinue the sequoia?

1) Discontinue the 300 series. Poor sales. Reminiscent of the Edsel and 58-60 Continentals. Bigger isn't always better.
2) Introduce a new smaller model with crisp slab sides and a fresh look at an in-between price point.
3) Position the new LC/X 250 models in the current strategy.
 
I am pretty sure Toyota is not targeting 100 sales numbers. For reference, Toyota sold more 4Runners in the last year the 100 was available... than all 100s sold in the U.S. from 1999-2007. in 2021, Toyota sold 144,000 4Runners in the U.S. - more than all 100s and LX470s from 1999-2007.

This isn't rocket surgery. The U.S. simply has virtually no interest in the segment that the 100/200 fills. If it weren't for Australia and other markets supporting these trucks, the U.S. would've seen the Land Cruiser vanish decades ago. It's just the (sad) reality of the shift in buyers' wants and changing regulations, global market factors, etc.
 
It’s amazing how many expert opinions we have on the car industry. I’m surprised these people haven’t started their own car company and dominated the industry. It’s very easy to judge the king without penalties of failure. The 200 series didn’t sell but half the people on this thread think it’s the holy grail. And maybe it is but if it doesn’t sell then what to do????? A lot of y’all have zero clue how big business works.
Who are you?

Did you intend to contribute something here or just be contrarian?

Your implication that Toyota, or any big manufacturer, can't be wrong, is dumb.
 
Who are you?

Did you intend to contribute something here or just be contrarian?

Your implication that Toyota, or any big manufacturer, can't be wrong, is dumb.
So you think if they brought back the LC300 to the US with a $100K sticker it would sell like hot cakes? Toyota had to make a change. They choose to make the LC more affordable and improve mpg with im guessing a goal of selling a lot more than 7,000 vehicles a year. Their target is the whole US not just Ih8mud.

I seem to have offended you.
 
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So you think if they brought back the LC300 to the US with a $100K sticker it would sell like hot cakes? Toyota had to make a change. They choose to make the LC more affordable and improve mpg with im guessing a goal of selling a lot more than 7,000 vehicles a year. Their target is the whole US not just Ih8mud.

I seem to have offended you.
The only offense is that you've attempted some kind of condescending 'gotcha' but in reality you provided nothing of substance. Your initial post was full of logical fallacies that show you weren't really prepared to have a discussion beyond asserting yourself as edgy and ignorant. "Sounds like these guys don't know anything about big business, heh heh!!"

I'm someone who has worked professionally in the auto industry, am degreed in marketing, studied in psychology, and am still actively self-employed in an industry that is very supply and demand oriented. I understand business, especially when it comes to sales.

Nah, man. You don't understand big business. There's a massive value to brand loyalty, and there's a massive amount of psychological knowledge/understanding that goes in to maintaining that brand loyalty. As I mentioned earlier, this is the reason the Mustang still exists, or the 911. It's the reason that when Chevy brought back the Camaro after a hiatus, the name didn't get put on to a Cobalt. It's why Ford will sell you a "Bronco", which is closer to scratching the nostalgic itch of the original, and a "Bronco Sport", which is more appealing to a broader market but still is not the real-deal. It's the reason the new 'Mitsubishi Eclipse' and Chevy 'TrailBlazer' and recent Pontiac GTO are flops. Big businesses, who absolutely do get things wrong, decided to take established brand names, names capable of pulling in buyers based on nostalgia, and put them on to vehicles that were not adequate to carry that name. Toyota wants to sell more SUVs, that's great. They could do just that by selling the 250 as a Prado, and leaving the full-flavored LC out of this market for a while. It would have captured all the same down-market sales and built up an expectation/demand for the return of the real LC in the future.

Yes, Toyota is very much interested in the secondary market. They aren't only thinking of selling $100K LCs to original owners. They're wanting to tout resale value. The LC has, for decades, been the halo car. It's the vehicle people aspire to when they buy their first 4Runner or whatever. It's the quality, overbuilt car that keeps people in the Toyota family. You can test out new tech in the flagships and then carry it down to lesser models. That's how SRS seat belts, ABS, and airbags all exist. Thank the S-Class for that. Do you know how many times Mercedes has moved their S-class down market? None times. They build down-market cars to capture down-market sales. You don't castrate your flagship brand in an attempt to capture more sales. That's objectively stupid.

Your points were debated already. Yes, the 250 will be a much better seller. If that's the only true point you can make, great... Everyone clap at this guy. He's figured it all out.
 
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Thanks mongoose, nailed it.

the LC isn’t built to be the bread and butter profit machine for Toyota. It’s the legendary reliability and robust quality. Resale value, the following here and across the world for the LC name. It’s what sells the rest of the Toyota name.

I don’t think he fully understands the concept of the LC.

Also of course the 200 dropped in sales, the 2nd gen Sequoia was right there 20k cheaper, same big engine, more room. Does that mean it’s a replacement? No it’s not the same quality. We know this, average consumers don’t want to pay for over built. They want a big suv for 6-8 years and replace it again. Seqs, Tahoes, etc, none will hold up like an LC.
 
I hope these new 4cyl motors are more reliable than Toyota’s 3.5TT motor they’re stuffing in some of their new vehicles. All I ever hear my brother say is “we have another LS500 in the shop with a blown motor”. Sad that Lexus and Toyota lost a lot of their reliability that they e been known for.
 
I hope these new 4cyl motors are more reliable than Toyota’s 3.5TT motor they’re stuffing in some of their new vehicles. All I ever hear my brother say is “we have another LS500 in the shop with a blown motor”. Sad that Lexus and Toyota lost a lot of their reliability that they e been known for.
Thanks for sharing. That's sad... Did he mention if the reasons for blown motors were from the turbo parts or the block?
 

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