Build 1985 FJ60 Gets a Holley Sniper EFI Setup

[wngrog]

I like the idea of the reliability of the mechanical Toyota fuel pump staying I the system and not having to deal with adding all new high pressure lines.

For the price it’s in line with a nice in tank pump and access door plus the hassle of installing it in a tank not designed for it.

 

[HemiAlex]

I’ve run a small surge tank for a while under my hot rod. It was basically a 1q glorified fuel filter. It worked but you needed to have two pumps mounted to the frame to make it work.

https://bcbroncos.com/shop/fuel/fue...or-filter-1-qt-long-version-for-early-bronco/

I ran it for about an hour total and went to a proper efi tank. It was too many lines under a hotrod for my tastes. On something like a cruiser that may land on things, I wouldn’t want 1q of fuel to get punctured by something off road and then touch exhaust.

You need to run a small lift rated fuel pump along with an inline pump like a walbro gsl392. Those walbros don’t have the best record, and I’d suggest replacing them every 5,000 miles. A friend burnt two up very quickly. Your results may vary.

I feel more confident with that stuff being protected in the engine bay.

I support a proper efi fuel tank with a submerged pump or a surge tank with an enclosed fuel pump at and the mechanical pump feeing it.

 

[Dr. John]

Watching the PowerSurge video...they show the unit mounted up against the radiator of the Pinto, and in their installation instructions they say the unit must be installed at least 6" from the radiator..or any other heat source.

 

[FJ60Cam]

My first thought was there’s no way the stock mechanical pump can keep up with the 255lph pump that the Sniper comes with. But I’m guessing that the fuel returned from the FI unit goes back into the PS tank to keep it full.


So if I’m following correctly...

Fuel flows:

1)From tank to mechanical pump
2)from mechanical pump to Power Surge
3)from electric pump inside PS to fuel injection unit
4)from fuel injection return line to Power surge to keep it topped off
5)any extra goes to factory return line back to tank. (Cap mechanical pump return line)


Is this right?

 

[WSOPgold2012]

That simplifies things for sure.
@WSOPgold2012 keep us posted if you go this route.

That simplifies things for sure.
@WSOPgold2012 keep us posted if you go this route.

What is this nonsense?!?!?! That looks awesome and could save a lot of work on this conversion. I hope somebody installs one!

I'm giving this a go. Ordered the compatible pump system and of course they are out of stock... :/ I can wait a week ish or purchase the 2nd system option for an extra $50....tough life decisions. .

Glad ppl brought up the heat+collision concerns, certainly smthn to consider.

 

[HemiAlex]

My first thought was there’s no way the stock mechanical pump can keep up with the 255lph pump that the Sniper comes with. But I’m guessing that the fuel returned from the FI unit goes back into the PS tank to keep it full.


So if I’m following correctly...

Fuel flows:

1)From tank to mechanical pump
2)from mechanical pump to Power Surge
3)from electric pump inside PS to fuel injection unit
4)from fuel injection return line to Power surge to keep it topped off
5)any extra goes to factory return line back to tank. (Cap mechanical pump return line)


Is this right?

That’s it. The mechanical pump just acts as a small lift pump. If the mechanical pump were to quit, you’ve got way over 30 seconds of fuel (depending on load) before the power surge runs dry.

 

[wngrog]

Well, the good thing is the OEM fuel pumps rarely fail unless they are not used and sit and rot.

 

[HemiAlex]

Well, the good thing is the OEM fuel pumps rarely fail unless they are not used and sit and rot.

300,000 miles on what looked like original kyosan for me. Didn't have to replace it, but did it just because it was the only old component in my accessory system.

 

[gregnash]

300,000 miles on what looked like original kyosan for me. Didn't have to replace it, but did it just because it was the only old component in my accessory system.

170k+ documented on mine (probably over 200k in all actuality) and still running like a champ. Never seen any leaks, weeps or anything from it and is one of the oldest components on the truck.

 

[Willard]

170k+ documented on mine (probably over 200k in all actuality) and still running like a champ. Never seen any leaks, weeps or anything from it and is one of the oldest components on the truck.

Mine had like 200K when it was replaced by the PO, he replaced the carb at the same time. So it may have been just for good measure.

I replaced it just recently for the heck of it. Kept the old one as a spare. They are great pumps.

 

[DickM]

Not to dampen anyone's enthusiasm over the mechanically pump fed surge tank with fuel injection pump inside to feed the fuel rail, but I tried for several months to get that exact system to work with my 2FE without any luck. I finally put in a stock 62 tank with stock fuel pump and never had any more trouble.

Details in this thread 2FE Build Opinions Needed

Fuel system diagram in post #28

 

[wngrog]

Is the 2FE a high pressure system or low like a GM TBI?

 

[HemiAlex]

Is the 2FE a high pressure system or low like a GM TBI?

High pressure I bet since it relies on 6 modern style injectors vs 4 small tbi lower pressure units.

 

[NCFJ]

Not to dampen anyone's enthusiasm over the mechanically pump fed surge tank with fuel injection pump inside to feed the fuel rail, but I tried for several months to get that exact system to work with my 2FE without any luck. I finally put in a stock 62 tank with stock fuel pump and never had any more trouble.

Details in this thread 2FE Build Opinions Needed

Fuel system diagram in post #28

OPINION, based on installing quite a few fuel injected motors into Land Cruisers.

Skip the frame rail mounted pump
Skip the secondary mini fuel tank with electric pump fed by your mechanical pump
Skip using the 30 plus year old fuel lines

Bite the bullet and put a pump and tray set up from Tanks Inc in your stock gas tank, it's only hard to do if you think it is hard to do
Plumb it with AN fittings, hard lines if you can
Run a brand new circuit from the battery, through relay to the pump,ground to bat too

Give your new EFI set up the fuel supply system it deserves. I assume you want this system to preform flawlessly for years, do not cut corners if you hope this assumption will come to be.

 

[wngrog]

OK. I’m with you here on Doing it right. 100%. That said, the old metal fuel lines. .....There is really not anything that can go wrong with them is there?

I read @DickM thread. Seems like his setup was a bit over complicated.

 

[WSOPgold2012]

Not to dampen anyone's enthusiasm over the mechanically pump fed surge tank with fuel injection pump inside to feed the fuel rail, but I tried for several months to get that exact system to work with my 2FE without any luck. I finally put in a stock 62 tank with stock fuel pump and never had any more trouble.

Details in this thread 2FE Build Opinions Needed

Fuel system diagram in post #28

Which EFI set up did you use???

 

[NCFJ]

OK. I’m with you here on Doing it right. 100%. That said, the old metal fuel lines. .....There is really not anything that can go wrong with them is there?

The big issue with old steel lines is rust. I've had fuel lines on 60/62s crumble as I was taking them off the frames. Same applies to brake lines, pulled off my share of rusted through as well.

It is a philosophy with me I guess. I feel that if you are spending the money and time to put EFI on a 30-40 year old truck that you should replace the fuel system along with it. Clean your tank while you are at it as well. To be honest, I find it somewhat amusing that some folks would rather spend hundreds of dollars on what amounts to a mini fuel tank and pump simply to avoid doing the job right. What they are left with is an old fuel system feeding a new fuel system that feeds a new fuel injection system, crazy IMHO. Not to mention they now have two fuel systems to keep up with.

This is a Tanks Inc pump set up for vehicles that do not already have a baffled pickup in the tank. It can be installed in an afternoon.

This is one of their units mounted into a 62 tank. It does not have the tray set up like above because the 62 is already baffled for EFI style pump and pickup. I just cut a hole in the cap for the original pick up and mounted it in the same location as OEM.

I run soft lines from the tank to the frame, hard lines along frame, soft from frame to firewall, hard along firewall and finally a soft section from firewall to fuel rail.

If you are a tool guy this also gives you opportunity to buy a cool tool if you do not already have one. You can make fuel lines in AN with the extra die. You can also make brake lines, power steering lines, auto trans lines with this tool

 

[wngrog]

I like the idea in order to keep the oem
Mechanical pump and also to put my electric pump under the hood versus under the truck in the tank.

Seems to me like it’s the same amount of electronics.

Tank will be new but it’s 55 gallons. I’ll have to see what it looks like before I do anything.

 

[Willard]

The big issue with old steel lines is rust. I've had fuel lines on 60/62s crumble as I was taking them off the frames. Same applies to brake lines, pulled off my share of rusted through as well.

It is a philosophy with me I guess. I feel that if you are spending the money and time to put EFI on a 30-40 year old truck that you should replace the fuel system along with it. Clean your tank while you are at it as well. To be honest, I find it somewhat amusing that some folks would rather spend hundreds of dollars on what amounts to a mini fuel tank and pump simply to avoid doing the job right. What they are left with is an old fuel system feeding a new fuel system that feeds a new fuel injection system, crazy IMHO. Not to mention they now have two fuel systems to keep up with.

This is a Tanks Inc pump set up for vehicles that do not already have a baffled pickup in the tank. It can be installed in an afternoon.

If you are a tool guy this also gives you opportunity to buy a cool tool if you do not already have one. You can make fuel lines in AN with the extra die. You can also make brake lines, power steering lines, auto trans lines with this tool

I have that tool (I do not think mine is from K tools but looks the same and uses the same Die's). It is the best brake tool I bought and fast.


I like the idea of the in tank pump, but the problem is they are not for the LRA tanks. So for guys like me a on frame pump is the option.

 

[woytovich]

So am I understanding that using Cams in tank fuel pump in an fj60 tank might be a problem rather than changing to an fj60 to tank?