Wits End Turbo Owners

[fjbj40]

Why not use the cx racing manifold and down pipe?

Better yet, the HD Automotive J-pipe or basic turbo kit.

As many have stated this is a glorified tractor engine.

Keep it simple and use a turbo with an integral wastegate, get rid of the external wastegate. It adds cost and is unnecessary.

 

[mudgudgeon]

I mean you can judge for yourself.

I have never taken someone's work, taken it apart used the measurements and then duplicated it on my truck no. I have paid full price for all of my bolt-ons. And my custom work is exactly that, custom because I don't like what currently exists. My turbo setup was the first that I know of in the US. It predated the FB Turbo group. The only one I know before the one I did was Sean S. in Australia and his was in a small car and a very different setup. My J-pipe is divided, for twin scroll internal wastegate, not a novel concept but to blatantly copy someone by using their work, getting their measurements, their locations, their fitment is kind of bulls***. IMO. Like I said, by all means improve on the concept but don't rip it off.

You kind of missed the point, but ok.

Cool that your turbo predated a face book group.
I'm sure it didn't predate turbo installs on countless other vehicles.
The j pipe concept is not new. And witsend version is not the only one available for a 1fzfe.

As pip said, at this point witsend doesn't have one on the market anyway.

 

[White Stripe]

I make products. Not any turbo kits though. That's not what I do. I make internal and external engine parts, suspension parts, steering components and a myriad of automotive stuff that could be defined as taking something plastic that fails or looks cheap and making it from machined aluminum or stamped steel.

From my perspective the problem with designing anything around someone else's exhaust manifold is if they stop making it, you're left holding your d!ck. You can step up to the plate and make it yourself (been there a few times) or you redesign everything around something different.

Come to think of it, many years ago in the early 2000's I did have some custom exhaust manifolds made to relocate a turbo to work with one of my products. It took forever and the manifolds were all made wrong. They looked great, but they shrunk like a 1/4" because they didn't factor shrink rate properly (this was stainless). Instead of scrapping the parts this outfit fudged all the bolt hole locations inward so they'd line up with the casting better. Of coarse the things didn't fit the cylinder head at that point. It was comically sh!tty. I won't get stuck in that situation again.

I wouldn't much faith in CX racing parts being very good, consistent, etc. In addition, I wouldn't use a 30" long one piece stainless exhaust manifold on a daily driver. That thing will move all over, never hold gaskets and probably crack within 25K miles.

If there a solid, proven cast exhaust manifolds sold and supported by reputable companies for 1FZ turbo apps that would be an option, but you really need multiple sources for something like this if you aren't making it yourself.

For the daily driver turbo crowd the OE manifolds with J-pipes are KISS.

My thought is that these guys have been waiting for turbo kits for years. Perfect parts are nice but I guess I would rather use something just to get boost in the engine rather than keep waiting around-or worse be out of money for something that never came. The cx racing manifold would probably be delivered withing a few weeks after ordering and a good off the shelf turbo found for it. If it looks like it may need a support bracket to prevent cracking I would think such could easily be fabbed later. Or just order another if it cracks in a few years. I'm not real familiar with all the current 1fz turbo vendors or if there are other j pipes or manifolds. I was following the turbo thread and considering buying a 1fz 80 to put a turbo kit on. But as the thread continued for 1000s of posts I decided to focus on the LS route instead.

 

[White Stripe]

Better yet, the HD Automotive J-pipe or basic turbo kit.

As many have stated this is a glorified tractor engine.

Keep it simple and use a turbo with an integral wastegate, get rid of the external wastegate. It adds cost and is unnecessary.

I didn't know another j pipe was available. Ya then just order the j pipe, order a turbo, plumb it up, and get some boost going.

 

[audi2nr]

there is a high quality stainless cast manifold coming to market but no dates yet, this is in my opinion going to be better than the six boost manifold or any tubular manifold out available. This is nowhere near budget like the hd automotive j pipe style or wits style manifold and it is overkill for anything under 400hp which is supported by the j pipe stuff. should be in the 1200-1500 range.

 

[scottryana]

My thought would be that the failure of the 1FZ turbo kits is the fact you cannot get one, even if you pay for it and wait for years.

Sure, if there's something that's easy to change to make it better why not!

But I think anybody who took over this project with the objective to actually follow through, build quality stuff, answer the phone calls and emails, keep shelves stocked with parts and ship orders in a timely fashion would be filling a need, not ripping anyone off.

I only mentioned someone else making the parts to point out it is a possibility- The project doesn't have to be a total lost cause if Witts End fizzles out. Somebody else can pick up the pieces, maybe/probably make some design improvements, but more than anything whoever steps up should be capable of following through to the point that parts are on the shelves ready to ship when someone orders.

And frankly, if I got involved in making J-pipes for 1FZ turbo kits I would rely heavily on design input from my neighbor's mandrel bending company as they have decades of experience designing, building and testing exhaust components for turbocharged vehicles. They would be the ones to design, test and build it because they know their stuff and can prove it on their dyno. They know what materials and thicknesses to use. Where to place the mounts, joints and flex pipes. They buy mufflers, clamps and high quality tubing direct from the manufacturers and tubing mills by the container load.

So, yes. I'm sure improvements could be made, but my priority would be to salvage the product and finish it VS go back to the drawing board just because somebody previously configured a pipe a certain way. It's a detail, not the entire product.

Scottryana, I doubt we disagree on much. I think we have differing perspectives is all.

Yeah I do agree with you that getting the product to the people is important, and I think it sounds like you could do a great job. I think that Joey's kit had a lot of flare with all the branding, but there is room for a little improvement in the design. I was just saying that instead of copying someone else's design if you were going to do something go ahead and do it better and make it your own. I have been around several of these small shops that are reliant on other companies to produce their product and I have seen it go wrong several times. Not only on this platform but on the R35 platform as well, where designs were getting stolen left and right because not everyone had access to the platform for fitting/testing.

Anyways I am not trying to ruffle feathers I was just putting my opinion out there and like the saying goes, everyone has one.

 

[fjbj40]

There is the Tredstone manifold also

 

[Diesel-Runner]

There is the Tredstone manifold also

I think the Treadstone is a good manifold. It just needs some further final machine work to alleviate the common issues people have had with it. Like bolt clearancing, re-angling the turbo flange a couple degrees and re-tapping the turbo flange holes. It's got plenty of meat in the casting.

 

[McDowra]

My thought is that these guys have been waiting for turbo kits for years. Perfect parts are nice but I guess I would rather use something just to get boost in the engine rather than keep waiting around-or worse be out of money for something that never came. The cx racing manifold would probably be delivered withing a few weeks after ordering and a good off the shelf turbo found for it. If it looks like it may need a support bracket to prevent cracking I would think such could easily be fabbed later. Or just order another if it cracks in a few years. I'm not real familiar with all the current 1fz turbo vendors or if there are other j pipes or manifolds. I was following the turbo thread and considering buying a 1fz 80 to put a turbo kit on. But as the thread continued for 1000s of posts I decided to focus on the LS route instead.

This is exactly what I am doing, if I thought I could have gotten one of Joey’s turbo kits in a reasonable amount of time I would have went that route. But as I am seeing from this thread I think I make right choice to go with the LS

 

[sundaycruiser]

Am i the only customer(non turbo) who thinks Joey probably has an undisclosed drug addiction…that sucks up alot of $ and makes him erratic and unreliable?

 

[mudgudgeon]

Am i the only customer(non turbo) who thinks Joey probably has an undisclosed drug addiction…that sucks up alot of $ and makes him erratic and unreliable?

Life causes the same symptoms for some people.

Doesn't excuse anything either way

 

[scottryana]

Am i the only customer(non turbo) who thinks Joey probably has an undisclosed drug addiction…that sucks up alot of $ and makes him erratic and unreliable?

I have never met Joey but he has always seemed like a pretty straight forward guy. I understand how upset a lot of people are, and I do think someone with a cool head going to pay him a visit is probably the best and will get the best outcome. I also think it is a little underhanded to libel him about having a drug addiction....

 

[mudgudgeon]

I have never met Joey but he has always seemed like a pretty straight forward guy. I understand how upset a lot of people are, and I do think someone with a cool head going to pay him a visit is probably the best and will get the best outcome. I also think it is a little underhanded to libel him about having a drug addiction....

I agree, the drugs comment is pointless and baseless.
I see it a a throw away comment.


In construction, if we think a tardy contractor is lying about having stock/materials in hand, or about having off site fabrication done on schedule, we'll sometimes visit their workshop/warehouse to inspect and assess status.

You find out fast if they are capable of performing their contract or not.

If not, you can also assess options for plan B.

Plan B could be paying for and collecting materials and having another contractor fabricate and install.
Or collecting fabricated goods, and taking over install.
Or working with them to provide labour resources to assist them.


Sometimes the only option is to write the contractor off, cancel contracts, and litigate to retrieve losses.


He's clearly not capable of providing kits as ordered.
If he has partial kits, negotiating to supply what he has in stock and providing part refunds may be useful to some people.

He's not posted on mud since February this year.
Mud has got to be a major party of his customer base.

Anyone who still thinks he has mud credibility has crawled way too far up his Mud-royalty ass.

Anyone who thinks they are still getting a turbo kit is deluded.

 

[mudgudgeon]

 

[fjbj40]

I thought tech sections are for tech and not selling stuff.
Yet in the screen shots above he’s selling stuff in tech and moderators didn’t move it. Yet they propose moving this thread?

 

[OGBeno]

I thought tech sections are for tech and not selling stuff.
Yet in the screen shots above he’s selling stuff in tech and moderators didn’t move it. Yet they propose moving this thread?

Members with Vendor Status are allowed to pimp their junk in tech. It’s the same in all of the tech sections of MUD.

 

[woody]

Members with Vendor Status are allowed to pimp their junk in tech. It’s the same in all of the tech sections of MUD.

...and Vendors who have chosen to discontinue their Vendor status have any threads they started relocated to a Vendor Archive.

 

[quickdraw]

@woody @OGBeno Gents- Any detail from you guys on what's going on with Wit's End? Assuming he is no longer a vendor

 

[OGBeno]

@woody @OGBeno Gents- Any detail from you guys on what's going on with Wit's End? Assuming he is no longer a vendor

I have no idea. I’m not involved in the Vendor world.

 

[Jim S.]

I ordered the pin connector tool last week and received it in 2 days. I think that makes him a vendor.