What have you done to your 200 Series this week? (57 Viewers)

[bloc]

Do all non-US diesels also have EGR/DPF/DEF emissions control "features"?

I was a big fan of diesel, but anymore, the above make them so complicated and less reliable, I'm over diesels. Maybe I'm still stinging from my Sprinter spending more time on a flatbed in the last 3 months than actually being driven.

I believe so, though not sure about the DEF part, Toyota may use a LNT vs SCR in some markets. Either way there’s no hope of a simple diesel on the road here.

Plus the TTD v8 they make is down 100hp from the engine we have here in the 200.

 

[Bullgump]

I believe so, though not sure about the DEF part, Toyota may use a LNT vs SCR in some markets. Either way there’s no hope of a simple diesel on the road here.

Plus the TTD v8 they make is down 100hp from the engine we have here in the 200.

The whole reason I'm looking around at pre 2005 diesel trucks to grab up. Ran 3/4 tons up till 2014. But the used prices now are ridonkulous right now...lol

 

[SidZer0]

+15hp from www.customjapaneseplates.com

 

[rlynch356]

Must be jerry can holder day...... I added 2 AT Overland holders to my bumper, moved the tire mount higher and figured out the hi-lift mounting... Adding propane next and then thats done...
Paint should be dry enough on Tuesday for the plastic moldings to go back on.

 

[Bullgump]

Started the process of a new storage system build. Pulled the 60% side which weighs more than you think. Passenger side staying in for now until college kid doesn't want to hang out anymore. The bypass for the airbag will be added next week. This area will be attached to drawers in rear but removable if ever I want to put seat back in (doubtful).

 

[sleepycruiser]

Started the process of a new storage system build. Pulled the 60% side which weighs more than you think. Passenger side staying in for now until college kid doesn't want to hang out anymore. The bypass for the airbag will be added next week. This area will be attached to drawers in rear but removable if ever I want to put seat back in (doubtful).

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That picture makes me think how even more awesome these would be with captain’s chairs in the middle row.

 

[Nothinghead]

That picture makes me think how even more awesome these would be with captain’s chairs in the middle row.

Could you get the 40% side from a RHD market LC and do this? I guess you’d have fabricate some mounts/mounting holes. It would be a neat project.

 

[sleepycruiser]

Could you get the 40% side from a RHD market LC and do this? I guess you’d have fabricate some mounts/mounting holes. It would be a neat project.

Probably could but the floor would still be raised in the middle.

 

[Bullgump]

That picture makes me think how even more awesome these would be with captain’s chairs in the middle row.

That does sound awesome. Especially if you have kids for a third row.

 

[Bullgump]

@Nothinghead I had to go look..lol. driver side wouldn't line up for the pass side seat.

 

[bloc]

Yeah this has been discussed in depth when someone swore they saw a 200 with captain’s chairs. The only method would be to chop the hell out of the existing seats. Not really feasible.

 

[cosport]

Yeah this has been discussed in depth when someone swore they saw a 200 with captain’s chairs. The only method would be to chop the hell out of the existing seats. Not really feasible.

I have partial captains seats. I removed fold down armrest to create a pass through to the rear. My pup likes to look out the rear window on road trips.

 

[cosport]

Must be jerry can holder day...... I added 2 AT Overland holders to my bumper, moved the tire mount higher and figured out the hi-lift mounting... Adding propane next and then thats done...
Paint should be dry enough on Tuesday for the plastic moldings to go back on.

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Awesome. Propane is my next project too.

 

[bloc]

I have partial capitans seats. I removed fold down armrest to create a pass through to the rear. My pup likes to look out the rear window on road trips.

This person claimed it was like an escalade or suburban.. must have been looking at a sequoia.

But yeah that is one option.

 

[Docwyte]

I believe so, though not sure about the DEF part, Toyota may use a LNT vs SCR in some markets. Either way there’s no hope of a simple diesel on the road here.

Plus the TTD v8 they make is down 100hp from the engine we have here in the 200.

Yes, but we also have a Porsche Cayenne diesel with all that emissions stuff and it runs perfectly. We've put 100k miles on it with no issues and it gets ~34mpg on the freeway.

Up where I live the Toyota diesel motor makes the same HP as the gasser motor. Plus it has 200 ft lbs more torque and I could tune it to make even more torque and more HP. I get it, it's not for everyone, but it fits my use case better than the gasser V8. The least Toyota could've done is give us that second 11 gallon gas tank...

 

[gasman4u]

I still want someone to 3D print me the Highlander plate, to replace the one on the back of the LC. I'd love to have the XL Highlander parked next to a real one.

If you find the file, I can give it a go!

 

[bloc]

Yes, but we also have a Porsche Cayenne diesel with all that emissions stuff and it runs perfectly. We've put 100k miles on it with no issues and it gets ~34mpg on the freeway.

Up where I live the Toyota diesel motor makes the same HP as the gasser motor. Plus it has 200 ft lbs more torque and I could tune it to make even more torque and more HP. I get it, it's not for everyone, but it fits my use case better than the gasser V8. The least Toyota could've done is give us that second 11 gallon gas tank...

Have you seen the timing chain setup on that VW engine? 100k should be nothing for a chain engine, but they also designed the infamous Audi 4.2 V8. I’d be curious what your intake manifold looks like. My 3.0TDi was absolutely horrible by 100k.

VWAG also has far more experience building diesel emissions systems at scale than Toyota does. As it is the 1VD suffers from injector issues, piston ring and turbo wear likely from inadequate air cleaner sealing, and more.

As for the fuel range, when they put the more fuel efficient TTV6 into the new tundra it would stand to reason they could keep the same fuel tank size and revel in the increased range. But they made clear that wasn’t an objective.. the vast majority of Americans don’t want to sit in a car that long, and you can’t fault them for engineering their vehicles for what the people willing to buy them new will want.

I’m not saying I support their decisions.. I’d love a factory subtank without the compromises. But I understand why they did what they did, and why diesels aren’t more popular here. The company that built the engine in your cayenne is a major reason, actually.

 

[Docwyte]

Well, to be fair, Diesel Gate happened far after the 200 series was built. Toyota had the turbo diesel motor for a LONG time in the 200 before that. While they have their issues, plenty of people have 100's of thousands of miles on them without issue. In general, I'll trust a toyota diesel over a VAG diesel motor. I think Toyota didn't do it more because of finances, they sold so few 200's here it didn't make sense to federalize the diesel motor and import it. If they'd put it in the Tundra, then maybe they would've brought it over in the 200.

I just think that if Toyota is going to give us a rig that gets a combined 13-14mpg, they should've put in the secondary fuel tank, standard for us. Like I said, it's not like they didn't already have it, plus mounted in the 200. They had to run the 200 thru emissions testing period, so they could've done that with the secondary fuel tank installed and it wouldn't have cost them anything more.

 

[bloc]

Well, to be fair, Diesel Gate happened far after the 200 series was built. Toyota had the turbo diesel motor for a LONG time in the 200 before that. While they have their issues, plenty of people have 100's of thousands of miles on them without issue. In general, I'll trust a toyota diesel over a VAG diesel motor. I think Toyota didn't do it more because of finances, they sold so few 200's here it didn't make sense to federalize the diesel motor and import it. If they'd put it in the Tundra, then maybe they would've brought it over in the 200.

I just think that if Toyota is going to give us a rig that gets a combined 13-14mpg, they should've put in the secondary fuel tank, standard for us. Like I said, it's not like they didn't already have it, plus mounted in the 200. They had to run the 200 thru emissions testing period, so they could've done that with the secondary fuel tank installed and it wouldn't have cost them anything more.

Dieselgate just reinforced the reasons so many Americans won’t buy diesels.. and in most cases they don’t have a need.

Speaking of need.. for new 200-series buyers? Practically zero need for an aux tank. How many of these end up in our hands in great shape because they just did soccer mom duty previously? They dwell in cities. Even among those of us that go off-road, very few truly need more fuel tank range. Yes a few would tow, heavy, on the freeway.. but what percentage? Why would Toyota spend the money to develop that system? It’s not a good investment. It wouldn’t sell more vehicles.

And the diesel wouldn’t either, to the vast majority of new buyers, between the increased cost, perceptions of a it being a dirty fuel, etc. Even with the better power at altitude (again, how many people does this impact?) how many more 200s would they sell to justify the huge cost of developing and certifying that engine that makes 100 less hp where most people will use it? Keep in mind how most Americans buy cars.. bigger=better.

Yes, ultimately it’s about finances. They know they wouldn’t have made money here in the states with those design choices.

 

[TeCKis300]

Diesel is sabotaging itself. Many of the diesel technologies "advancements" over the last decade or so, was not necessarily to increase diesel performance or longevity. Much of it was in the area of emissions and strategies to improve on the nature of diesel, including emissions, user refinements, and NVH. Arguably, some of these advancements have made it worse in power and efficiency, and definitely decreased reliability as the failures often are in the ancillary components.