VMJ73 Resto-Not (11 Viewers)

[Delancy]

1FZ-FE
H151F or H150F (Haven't decided)
HF1A

 

[Fireman]

Been a thousand times easier, from a procurement perspective, to have, first gained the knowledge of driveline orientation, then utilized 80 series mounts and brackets, if not fabbed, to achieve, but, after a long trip from UAE and molestation by Customs.

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Found the single NLA engine bracket that was posing a problem, from an FZJ75 in Oz....along with a few other bits, but later on those.

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Balance ordered from @Akella.

After all of this, don't think the cross member will remain much after the initial goal of getting the 1FZ in and running is achieved.

Dang , I have a couple of those in the parts van.

 

[Delancy]

Dang , I have a couple of those in the parts van.

Figures, but if Onur tells me that these were all available in the US, save the engine isolators, I'm gonna jump off a bridge.....

 

[Delancy]

Catch a tiger

H151F/HF1A

By it's toe.

H150F/HF1A

Previous gear calculations were incorrect, but still not 100% clear on which MT better suits this "build"

37s/5.29s

H151F-1st 4.081:1
HF1A L - 2.488:1
Crawl Ratio - 53.88:1

H150F- 4.529:1
HF1A- 2.488:1
Crawl Ratio- 59.61:1

H151F/HF1A

Final Ratio 2/4H
1st-21.59:1
2nd-12.14:1
3rd-7.89:1
4th-5.29:1
5th-4.7:1

Calculated RPMs at 75mph 3,175

H150F/HF1A

Final ratio
1st- 23.96:1
2nd- 13.03:1
3rd- 7.88:1
4th- 5.29:1
5th- 4.29:1

Calculated RPMs at 75mph 2,922

Not concerned about the high RPMs, since the 1FZ can hang all day at either. Hopefully inches of deadener inside and out can lessen the drone.

With the lower 1st and taller 5th, the H150F appears the clear cut winner, but, as all are aware, blissfully ignorant, so throwing it up for opinions on which bodes better.

 

[subzali]

Any difference in input/output shaft sizes or spline counts?

 

[Delancy]

Any difference in input/output shaft sizes or spline counts?

No. They're the same.

 

[Tapage]

between H150 and H151 .. at least what we have .. input are different in count, 21 vs 14

 

[Delancy]

between H150 and H151 .. at least what we have .. input are different in count, 21 vs 14

At least in Australia, some variants of FZJ75 were equipped with H150Fs, while other FZJs were H151F.

Both utilized the longer 14 spline input shaft, both the same bell housing, the H150Fs (I believe) an "HD 75 Clutch" which I speculate to be the 300mm.

Both of these are 14 spline, both will run 300mm clutch.

HZ/HD-T/VD (probably others) with H150F utilize the 21 spline shorter input shaft, if memory serves.

Oddly enough, from the list price of an Australian Toyota dealer, a new H151F is $1,200.00 more than new H150F, guessing due to the H150Fs usage in new 7Xs, be it 14 or 21 spline.

The 21 spline is commonly listed for the same expense of a US H55, as a new take off, since A750F swaps are very popular in the VDJ equipped 7Xs, that have no auto option from Toyota.

 

[OGBeno]

Oh man.

 

[Delancy]

Oh man.

Another H151F is on the ticket, but Danny was short handed this week to pull a known, warranty-able unit.

 

[scottryana]

Hmm more ammo for my A750F swap. See if you can get more info lol

 

[Delancy]

Hmm more ammo for my A750F swap. See if you can get more info lol

I posted it in you're other thread....

Wholesale Auto runs the HGM TCM their "HD A750F" with the $$$ valve body and billet torque converter.

There's several lesser renowned shops that swap known good A750Fs, but use the same TCM, from appearances.

 

[scottryana]

The please was implied.

 

[scottryana]

Hmmm ok so still no real decisive answer. The HGM TCM is compushift. And compushift says they do not support it yet. I guess Wholesale could be doing some custom tuning, I am not really sure how that works with compushift. And then Wholesale told that other chap that they couldn't bolt an A750F to the 1FZFE. What are they bolting it to over there? Just the diesels??

It seems like there are way too many interchangeable parts here for there to be nothing in the Toyoda parts catalog to allow us to bolt the damn thing to the 1FZ. lol.

**Edit sorry taking this mess back to my own thread. lol.**

I posted it in you're other thread....

Wholesale Auto runs the HGM TCM their "HD A750F" with the $$$ valve body and billet torque converter.

There's several lesser renowned shops that swap known good A750Fs, but use the same TCM, from appearances.

 

[Delancy]

The please was implied.

Well, you hurt my feelings for discounting my other post as containing viable info.

Nothing bolts the the 1FZ-FE, man, and there's very little that's interchangeable betwixt it and another engine that may share a 1FZ-FE transmission, yet have two or three other transmission matings we may desire.

Anything is possible, but the six or seven who'd actually pay up for an H55 or A750F to 1FZ mating ain't enough to illicit the interest of those with the wherewithal to make it happen.

 

[scottryana]

Yeah well I guess I will be the first, yippee!! Lol


So come on how come we don't have any pics of engines being ripped out yet??? Hell the engine should be out and the axles rolling around under it deciding on wheelbase

 

[Delancy]

Yeah well I guess I will be the first, yippee!

Or you may wind up missing the forest for the trees...buying a 1VD to have the A750F....

Started out finding an 1FZ/H55 option for a Pig.....wound up slightly off course....but do get to keep the 1FZ.

So come on how come we don't have any pics of engines being ripped out yet???

Mostly time. Have 2 1/2 more months, praying at least, then normalcy should return.

Until then, it's R&A (research and acquisition)

Customs just released the first pallet. Once it arrives, figure I'll get real friendly with the wiring harness and clutch, in preparation.

Waiting on cross member (using it to locate engine....because it's all I know the location of), isolator, one engine bracket from Canada, that should be here next week.

Then, will be waiting on the second engine bracket from Oz.

Hell the engine should be out and the axles rolling around under it deciding on wheelbase

First goal is to get the driveline in and running. Not worried about driving, initially, just the engine idling.

Baby steps, ya know....and that's about my aptitude level.

Still a lot to be decided on, in the WB department, but thinking it'll stretch.

At least decided to maintain 80 width/80 shafts, after figuring out how stupid I was in thinking the 9.5" front diff would increase the axle width 1.5".

Little at a time.

 

[Delancy]

Dunno how to rename hyperlinks in this new forum format.

http://www.hoppers.com.au/brake kits/landcruiser brochure.pdf

Anyone know anything about the Hoppers Stopper transfer case brake for the H15Xs?

Be easy enough to upsize the rear brake caliper, not sure with what, but running 17s, so have options.

The t case brake would eliminate the janky cable running across the back of the RS housing or reinventing the wheel by adapting a semi float 120 hub brake and cable.

 

[rick_d]

hdt's have 14 spline clutches.

the isuzu clutch is the crossover to put a 300mm clutch on a 21 spline input that normally has a 275mm clutch (hz's)

 

[Delancy]

hdt's have 14 spline clutches.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....

Bear with me, here....

Yes .H55f ,but you must have the correct input shaft. The 1HZ has a 21 spline count.
The 1HD T usually has a H150 or H151 ,the difference being the H150 has a lower ratio.(I think they are 14 splines)
You can bolt the H55f to the 1HD T,but it requires a mix of components including a Isuzu truck clutch disc.
The 1HD T has a bigger clutch,300mm as opposed to the 1HZs 275mm?
You can use the smaller clutch on the 1HD T

Have any clue how long the HD T 14 spline shaft is?

Reason I ask....

HD-T to H55 is possible, then why can't the same clutches be used for a 1FZ to H55?