Nice to know I still have one of the 11,218 Land Cruisers sold in 1973 still on the road
Thoughts From the 200 Crew On the LC250 Reveal
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DAMMIT MAN! 1999 everyone truly was preparing for Y2K! I knew the data was somewhere to prove a Landcruiser would survive the end of the world!
I do not see a "full hybrid" offered as one of the "several different grades" offered in Australia or South Africa.
Haha! That’s hilarious! The end of the world was approaching and tons of people went out and bought a Landcruiser. It’s even funnier to me because my wife calls the 200 my ‘Zombie apocalypse’ vehicle
What are the fuel economy / CO2 / emissions standards in Australia and South Africa? I think it’s clear the hybrid powertrain is driven by CAFE and EPA regulations here in the United States. After recently purchasing my first hybrid vehicle (a new Toyota), I think hybrids are an excellent and crucial option in between legacy ICE and EV powertrains.
Idaho Savage
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But...but.....it can't tow!
I think it looks awesome! I was happy to see that it wasn't a US only vehicle. I've always thought that the Tacoma looks better than the Hilux and the 4runner looks cooler than the Prado/LC120/LC150 so it was a nice surprise that we get this body style in Europe as well. Western Europe will get the 1GD-FTV and the same engine but with 48v hybrid. The market here is shifting away from diesels so I think it would made sense to offer petrol hybrid rather that than a diesel hybrid in Europe ( in addition to to the conventional 1GD-FTV).
I believe the price will be the biggest obstacle for me so my vdj200 has to stay a couple of years more.
I believe the price will be the biggest obstacle for me so my vdj200 has to stay a couple of years more.
I don’t like it, looks too much like a bronco, jeep Liberty and jeep commander. I’m looking to get into a newer suv soon but at this rate looks like I’m keeping my 200.
LX600 too expensive
LC300 not attainable
GX550/LC250 not attractive
Sequoia way too big
At this point my last hope is the 4runner
If that’s also a let down then Toyota isn’t marketing it for people like me anymore.
What I really want is a 100 series sized SUV that looks just as good with newer tech and more fuel efficient engine.
LX600 too expensive
LC300 not attainable
GX550/LC250 not attractive
Sequoia way too big
At this point my last hope is the 4runner
If that’s also a let down then Toyota isn’t marketing it for people like me anymore.
What I really want is a 100 series sized SUV that looks just as good with newer tech and more fuel efficient engine.
The 2.4 ltr hybrid will probably work ok for the type of travel trailers aka caravan weights in Europe. With higher fuel prices there (= high taxes) I would be more interested in fuel economy.
Be nice they would provide the 3.4 TTV6 as on the GX550 as well.
I bet the 1GD diesel hybrid makes some crazy mpg numbers.
bjowett
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The best part of the 250, IMO… it’s available sans sunroof. Hopefully that equates to Toyota not designing some sort of leak path to drain on top of some very expensive wire harnesses and ECUs, as happens with sunroof equipped 200 Series Trucks (even with drain tube maintenance).
Interesting. Widest gap between LX and LC by far was 2021.
21: LX sales +601% over LC.
20: LX sales +43%
19: LX sales +33%
18: LX sales +47%
17: LX sales +94%
16: LX sales +54%
LX sales increased by 477% in 2021 from the previous year. Is that what saved the LX for the US market?
What this means to me is that Toyota imports as many LC's as they feel like without any consideration to market demand. Almost as if they have some obligation to bring in a certain number per year. By contrast, Lexus allows dealers (and buyers) to special order LX's and you see that in the final model year of production of the 200 series. That 400% jump in sales is probably a ton of special orders for the end of production, showing that there is probably more of a demand for both the LC and LX than the yearly numbers would indicate. Probably still not a massive jump, but I'm not sure the "we didn't buy enough so they cancelled it" argument holds too much water.
Toyota clearly thought the LX market by itself was large enough to justify homologating the 300 series LX, so these numbers would seem to be high enough sales that they could have totally brought us a 300 series LC nameplate. I still think they are trying to push the 200 series LC crowd to the LX since its effectively the same cost for the same features (with hopefully the body work getting revised with an LX offroad trim), and one less model that Toyota needs to maintain. Then the "stripped out off-road" crowd can have their highly capable 250 series LC, the previous GX crowd gets a major upgrade with the 250 series GX, and potentially the 4Runner crowd gets a lower cost and more efficient 4Runner similar to Subarus strategy.
We all know Toyota is run by accountants, and this reads as primarily an accounting and optimization play. Assuming we get an Overtrail (or whatever offroad trim name) version of the LX I see no issue with what they are doing here. Badge elitists may have some problems that their precious bragging rights are more accessible, but honestly Toyota clearly doesn't care about these people and I'm totally fine with that.
natedawg607
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Lot more leases on the Lexus side?
Idaho Savage
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I do like that is is available without a Sunroof... it would be nice to be able to get the sway bar disconnect on the base trim.
I'm looking forward to seeing them, and hopeful it won't be just a better looking 4Runnder like my wife says (it would be for her most likely). I am already planning on something bigger than the 200 for my next truck.
I've come to realization that I would like to A) Tow a camper and B) have a self contained Interior living space in my next main Expo truck (like a 4WC, AT Atlas, Alucabin, etc) .
I'm looking forward to seeing them, and hopeful it won't be just a better looking 4Runnder like my wife says (it would be for her most likely). I am already planning on something bigger than the 200 for my next truck.
I've come to realization that I would like to A) Tow a camper and B) have a self contained Interior living space in my next main Expo truck (like a 4WC, AT Atlas, Alucabin, etc) .
I hater sunroofs! I never use them because they get so loud, add more weight, and eventually break and leak. Only good thing is crawling out of it to get onto my roof rack which i rarely do.
You literarily just described the 250 and gx550.
Except it lacks the good looking part of the 100. That's half of my criteria
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