Should I buy an fj60

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Hey all, brand new here so let me know if there is a better place for this post! On mobile so hopefully formatting is okay.

I found an ‘84 fj60 for sale near me with 240k on it. It’s a 4 speed and it looks like the seats have been redone. Seller is claiming that it just needs the fluids changed and tires. Listed for 12k. Is this a good deal?

I love the these land cruisers and have been considering picking it up and making it the dd for my last semester in college.
 
In this moment of indecision…STOP! I love new seats too, but stop, turnaround and walk away. One thing you you have going for you. Twelve grand of disposable income lying around after three years of college tells me one thing…you have half-a-brain! Take some time to study the opportunity presenting its self before you. Critical Thinking is the key! However, then again, lessons learned the hard way are almost never forgotten.
 
Yolo buy it, I commute to college 20min every day in my FJ60. They're freaking cool. Make sure you have the willingness/income to repair these as needed. An extra car would be good to have incase its down for repairs.
 
please read threads started by @Beehanger. 2022 minus 1984 equals 38. You are considering a 38 year old truck for a daily driver. On this forum we all love Land Cruisers but you should be either self sufficient or filthy rich to comfortably stay afloat.

Edit: no offense meant to @Beehanger. He has a lot of grit. But his experience may make the OP reconsider...
 
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only buy it if youre willing to learn to work on it yourself. If youre planning on outsourcing all repairs to a shop, the cost of repairs is going to eat you alive. Theyre cool trucks though. Having the space to work on it and tools is a big deal
 
only buy it if youre willing to learn to work on it yourself. If youre planning on outsourcing all repairs to a shop, the cost of repairs is going to eat you alive. Theyre cool trucks though. Having the space to work on it and tools is a big deal

This cannot be overstated. I drive mine daily but many times its been down waiting for parts or time for me to finish something on it. You absolutely have to have tools, and an area to work, and willingness to get in and work on it. Shops for these trucks are booked months in advance. My experience is they just don't work out timing wise. They are cool trucks but require tons of effort to make right. Always something to do on them. Even the BaT versions need help. Good news for you is you have already found the best source for info on how to work on them. So many resources here so even if you are not experienced you are in good hands. If I can do it anyone can, of that I assure you. But you will hate life having one of these and having others work on it. No one loves your cruiser like you love your cruiser. Treat it right and it will thank you.

Have a romp here first thing before you even look at one:


If you have not driven one, you will want to do that before you ever talk to anyone about purchasing. They are completely different than what you are used to with a modern car. Very cool and tons of fun though. Just gotta be willing to get your hands dirty if wanting to own one or you will loose big. The @Beehanger thread is a great recent example of how things can go for you. If you do get it, be prepared to talk about it a lot to every 30+ joe who comes along talking about how they used to "have one in college", etc. Everyone loves these trucks but not many are brave enough to do what it takes to own one. GLWP and HTH.
 
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Great car, classic, great off road. Not for a daily driver.

Finals coming up, you jump into your 38 year old Landcruiser and it doesn't start. What fun !

It's a great second, or in my case 5th , car.
 
.. Seller is claiming that it just needs the fluids changed and tires. Listed for 12k. Is this a good deal?

I love the these land cruisers and have been considering picking it up and making it the dd for my last semester in college.
If completely rust free and drives without issue, then yes it's a good deal. I doubt that's the case though, given fluids need changing. Sounds a bit neglected, and tires ain't cheap.
Also, not a good DD with 10 MPG.
 
please read threads started by @Beehanger. 2022 minus 1984 equals 38. You are considering a 38 year old truck for a daily driver. On this forum we all love Land Cruisers but you should be either self sufficient or filthy rich to comfortably stay afloat.

Edit: no offense meant to @Beehanger. He has a lot of grit. But his experience may make the OP reconsider...
This is good advice @2mbb, but read my tomato truck build thread. I've put 35,000 daily driver miles on a total rust bucket 60 in about three years. I live in one of the most expensive cities in the country (not quite west coast expensive, but close) and have a pretty meager income. It can be done, BUT ... it's grueling, heart wrenching, exhausting, frustrating, and yes, it costs serious money even when you do the work yourself. You have to have an unwavering commitment to both trawling the depths of Mud on a near-constant basis for obscure nuggets of information, and of course to dropping everything when the truck inevitably needs emergency service to keep the wheels rolling and get you to work the next day.

@Newbie32 In the name of adventure, I say go for it. Just know what you're getting yourself into. This is kind of like getting married or getting your first dog as a young adult. You're signing up for the good and the bad and a lot of work, and you can't squirm your way out of the bad no matter how much you want to. If something goes wrong and you decide a 60 "isn't for you" you're not likely to get your money back - certainly you won't get your time back. Selling a truck that "ran great but has a minor issue, so now it's sitting and I just want out of this mess" lowers the resale value considerably.

For part of the last three years I was in a situation where my nightly parking spot - parallel parked on the street in front of my house - was also the only place I had to turn wrenches. It wasn't ideal but I made it work. You will need tools. Good tools are worth every penny, too. You'll need a place to keep the tools and spare parts. Most apartments and condos don't let you work on vehicles on the premises, so if that's your situation read your lease or HOA covenant carefully.

But man, are the rewards huge. It's a joy to drive one of these conestoga wagons. You can go places on nasty roads that 97% of vehicles can't go. You get compliments every day. You get the pride and satisfaction of having done this yourself. You are personally keeping 5000lbs of garbage out of the landfill instead of leasing some kind of modern disposable toy plastic car that will end up junked in 10 years. You can drive the 60 off into the sunset of the apocalypse and be fine. But you have to open your heart - and wallet and free time schedule - completely. Like I said, it's a commitment.

@NeverGiveUpYota probably has a lot to say about this too, if she finds the time.
 
The other piece missing here is ANY other details about the one you have your eye on. There are a lot of 60s for sale out there for $10-15k that have about a million red flags that the untrained eye will miss. Lots of sellers have dollar signs in their eyes, and lots of sellers aren't as meticulous as I am about things. I saw an add this morning for a 60 at $12k that said "no rust anywhere!" and then listed a bunch of exceptions. You'll never outrun rust. The ad also stated that everything had "new grade 8 hardware" which tells me immediately the seller has no idea what they're talking about - grade 8 is SAE and everything on a 60 is metric. Any trust in their restoration or maintenance evaporates with a statement like that. BE VERY CAREFUL in other words.
 
@NeverGiveUpYota probably has a lot to say about this too, if she finds the time.

I think the @NeverGiveUpYota thread should be required reading for illustrating what's possible. Take a look there and see what owning one of these takes.


If you don't find some level of inspiration, motivation, and downright attitude adjustment in there, not sure what to say.

These trucks are great but being real they are a time suck. Rewarding time suck nonetheless. Just know what you are getting into. Easy to look at these and go "yeah I can make this work". Spin it however you want. Gonna take some commitment. Its a different level of ownership. I know I come off scaring you away. Not the case. Just trying to be real and for most folks its not what they thought it would be. Try it and if its not for you after some time, then no harm no foul. Always someone else willing to take it off your hands. HTH.
 
Do you live on campus or at home? Do you have access to an extra vehicle to drive?
Take a day and read through this forum so you know what to look for. Ask for paperwork and talk them down to $9k. Bank $1500 for immediate repairs and find a clapped out but somewhat healthy camry for $1500.
 
I daily drive my 62. (Or at least I did until gas topped $4/gal. Now I drive my wife's old civic unless I'm hauling.)

It isn't practical for a 60 to be your only car. And if you have to pay someone else to work on it, you likely can't afford it.

If you have a second cheap DD and like to learn about old trucks, absolutely get a 60. Price tag varies by vehicle condition so you should post some photos of the underside to let us warn you about potential problems.
 
please read threads started by @Beehanger. 2022 minus 1984 equals 38. You are considering a 38 year old truck for a daily driver. On this forum we all love Land Cruisers but you should be either self sufficient or filthy rich to comfortably stay afloat.

Edit: no offense meant to @Beehanger. He has a lot of grit. But his experience may make the OP reconsider...
Thanks for linking my 2mbb,
I was in a similar postion as you and have some to add to this conversation. I agree with what's been said so far, don't overlook the realities of what you're considering doing.

Whether or not you "should" buy an FJ60, honestly, like everything in life, just depends on a lot of things. Figuring this out is a journey in itself as this is a big commitment for young guys like us. I made a similar post to you (much more long winded) about a year and a half ago on out of college on this very forum asking if I should buy a Fj60. I kindof needed something as my achor as I was going through a lot at the time, and wanted to learn to work on it. I ended up pulling the trigger. Some days I regret it, but Im sure once its running better I'll be glad I stuck it through. It also got me to where I am today.

I'd say the 3 biggest reasons why I "rightly" said yes to buying the cruiser young without any mechhanical experience, against some real advice to do the contrary were:

1.)I wasn't doing it to just look cool, I did it because I honestly want to learn to work on it at a young age and could deal with the consequences (getting a project truck without knowing it, car breaking down, no airbags, not having it as MY ONLY CAR for extended periods of time). I could only deal with these things because I at the time could walk to work if I had to, and was actually willing to kind of build my life around the truck for a year or two. Even with all the downsides something inside me just told me to do it. I was the rich kid who wanted to kick my own ass. :rofl: This is probably an anomaly story.

2.)The LC had no rust (meaning thin surfice rust on the frame, Cali/arizona trucks are the best), and could be resold with some effort.

3.)I was fine driving SUPER SLOW cause these things only have 135 HP which really really sucks sometimes. I live in a smaller town and don't have to go on the freeway with it. When I drove it home frome LA I was going 40 the entire time so if you really want to buy an fj60 be ready to due a lot of due dilligence cause you don't want to end up with a fj60 with a tired motor like me. If you're going to be living in a city or commuting on a big freeway you really can't have this be your DD.

Maybe with all this I was still "wrong" to do it in a lot of people's eyes, but I was right in my own eyes and knew myself well enough.

Biggest things I've learned
1. Make sure the FJ60 you're working on is actually running well, I didn't know what I was looking at and didn't have any other mechanics or friends to give it a once over. I had the misfortune of buying from a mechanic who gave it a once over himself (GEE THANKS!) I Just posted pics online for second opinions which can only go so far. I got pretty unlucky it needed an engine rebuild, and have been out for a year now. This is because I didn't know how to do the work myself, but wish I would have just tried to figure out how to do the rebuild yself rather than having to wait this long and have a bill waiting.

2. Don't let the seller, or anyone else take advantage of you. Even if they say they aren't or if they're nice etc. just dont trust them. You can say no, change your mind, or not buy a land cruiser at all and still live your life happily. I probably would have quit and sold it a long time ago but I just am too stubborn to quit, and once youre in it you get kind of a funny feeling to keep going. It's honestly been a rough hindrance on my life having it out though, and if you can't handle this possibility or have some special mentor to fix it with you on a moments notice for free instead then don't do it. I'm "lucky" to be living at home right now where my family has other cars.

3. If everything in your gut and in your heart is telling you to do it, and you are being honest with yourself that you will do all the due dilligence to find the right truck and actually want to work on it for years to come, and deal with all the shortfalls that can easily happen, then you may just ask the universe to guide you to do this. Life is short, especially if you find one with minimal rust you can resell it pretty quick (easier said then done if you get as emotionally attached as I do).

It really comes down to you, most people probably don't want to bother with the pains of having one. By buying an fj60 you're essentially signing up for something and are likely knowingly getting yourself into a pickle, but pickles are where the fun and growth can happen if you have the time, right attitude, energy, and reasons. I'm still personally dealing with the effects of my decision but have just decided the truck is really important to me so I'm sticking it out and suffering everyday for it. I didn't fully know this is what I would be getting myself into, and I admittedly got unlucky with mechanics etc trying to get the engine rebuilt. I wouldn't have done it having known this could happen, but it can happen to any of us, yet for whatever reason I'm sticking it out. There's also that chance you do some due diligence and find a good running truck and won't have major headaches, but don't bank on that. If a headache comes up you need to have backup plans -- bike/ roomates car/ parents. I really wish I would have paid 20k instead of 15k to get a better running truck and not deal with what I am dealing with. You'll end up putting a lot more than 12k in I'll tell you that.

Don't screw yourself now and pay later, If nows not the right time cause of money or whatever else no shame in that. But if you do some real research/thinking/planning and have the right reasons financially/philosophically/emotionally you may consider seeing what you can find and go from there.

Feel free to PM me if you want to chat more, hope that helped some.

God's speed,

Daniel
 
This is good advice @2mbb, but read my tomato truck build thread. I've put 35,000 daily driver miles on a total rust bucket 60 in about three years. I live in one of the most expensive cities in the country (not quite west coast expensive, but close) and have a pretty meager income. It can be done, BUT ... it's grueling, heart wrenching, exhausting, frustrating, and yes, it costs serious money even when you do the work yourself. You have to have an unwavering commitment to both trawling the depths of Mud on a near-constant basis for obscure nuggets of information, and of course to dropping everything when the truck inevitably needs emergency service to keep the wheels rolling and get you to work the next day.

@Newbie32 In the name of adventure, I say go for it. Just know what you're getting yourself into. This is kind of like getting married or getting your first dog as a young adult. You're signing up for the good and the bad and a lot of work, and you can't squirm your way out of the bad no matter how much you want to. If something goes wrong and you decide a 60 "isn't for you" you're not likely to get your money back - certainly you won't get your time back. Selling a truck that "ran great but has a minor issue, so now it's sitting and I just want out of this mess" lowers the resale value considerably.

For part of the last three years I was in a situation where my nightly parking spot - parallel parked on the street in front of my house - was also the only place I had to turn wrenches. It wasn't ideal but I made it work. You will need tools. Good tools are worth every penny, too. You'll need a place to keep the tools and spare parts. Most apartments and condos don't let you work on vehicles on the premises, so if that's your situation read your lease or HOA covenant carefully.

But man, are the rewards huge. It's a joy to drive one of these conestoga wagons. You can go places on nasty roads that 97% of vehicles can't go. You get compliments every day. You get the pride and satisfaction of having done this yourself. You are personally keeping 5000lbs of garbage out of the landfill instead of leasing some kind of modern disposable toy plastic car that will end up junked in 10 years. You can drive the 60 off into the sunset of the apocalypse and be fine. But you have to open your heart - and wallet and free time schedule - completely. Like I said, it's a commitment.

@NeverGiveUpYota probably has a lot to say about this too, if she finds the time.
Tomato sounds like a real Lass, cool to see you made it work. I haven't had much time under my truck yet, last time I trust someone else to do a major project for me on it. Let the learnin begin....
 

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