Which says a lot since you can't even pony up the $25 to help run this site.
Fantastic fact-based rebuttal.
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Fantastic fact-based rebuttal.
LFD2037
TEXAS LEXUS!
My thoughts exactly. I paid $300 for quality, made in AMERICA, sliders for my 4Runner from Marlin. beno, if what I said offended you, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm new to LC's but NOT new to the customizing & offroad world. I had a rock crawler before 80% of the country had ever even heard of the concept. I can, & have, fabbed stuff for my rigs but can't currently @ my new house. I know what it entails & it doesn't take a genius or tons of money. It's only measurements & steel, period.
And investment in tools, skill ( not everyone has ), consumables, time, and a place to do it all. Having fabbed up plenty of stuff myself, sure I can do quite a bit cheaper. However, not everyone has everything needed to do so. I think the vendors that support this community are not out of line at all.
Hopefully people have read this from the beginning and heard Phil when he said these were "light duty" sliders. I've bent 3/8 & 1/4 wall tube playing in the rocks. If the rock garden is your goal, look at another product. If trail adventures are your aim, then these are perfect.
How about an apology?
Unsolicited advice.
Be careful who you're popping off to because this is a smaller world than the one you're coming from.
if you are talking about steps and cat protection you have no concept of what Phil is talking about. His design is for simple rails that bolt to the pinch weld.
You have no idea what you are talking about and are burning bridges fast.
80 sliders are hard to manufacture for a lot or reasons, I am not going to waste my time explaining them to you because I feel like you are incapable of understanding. I can say that no one is making a huge profit margin on them by any means and they certainly take more than a 1/4 days labor.
Apples and oranges. The 80 frame bends at several different angles right where the sliders attach, has several brackets and the catalytic converters right in the way.
No doubt, but the mentality and vocalization of is why there's little new offered the 80.
Who in the hell would want to invest the time and capital to produce a worthwhile product for a platform that someone with a $100 welder and an HF tube bender thinks they can fab a product out of grandmas basement, that's comparable to the few that have wheeled 80s for longer than the same punks complaining about price, have been driving?
Agreed, I don't think this guy knows what he is talking about. We don't make sliders because #1 there are already great options available and #2 there is no money to be made on them!
Phil, cool concept for the right purpose! We aren't all rock crawlers after all.
Phil, cool concept for the right purpose! We aren't all rock crawlers after all.
I can see that there is some added complexity, mostly surrounding the cat. It doesn't, in my opinion, make up for the price differential.
But all that means is that I won't be buying them. If someone else feels differently, they can obviously do as they wish.
Is the tech forum ?
Because I thought I was in the tech forum
I was hoping for a discussion around the merits of dropping a 4,000 lb vehicle off a set of 35's onto a slider attached to the body work. Especially since it seems the designer did not feel it was suitable for being used as a step.
Because I thought I was in the tech forum
I was hoping for a discussion around the merits of dropping a 4,000 lb vehicle off a set of 35's onto a slider attached to the body work. Especially since it seems the designer did not feel it was suitable for being used as a step.
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Agreed aktundra. Apparently this is the wine/cheese forum but we are short on cheese.
There are a lot of hurt egos in this thread. Let's bring the tech back and leave the personal attacks out.
I for one am interested in this product. It would suit my needs very well since my rig is just used for exploring.
There are a lot of hurt egos in this thread. Let's bring the tech back and leave the personal attacks out.
I for one am interested in this product. It would suit my needs very well since my rig is just used for exploring.
NLXTACY
Wits' End
You know my stock running boards served me well for years...until they didn't. 
That's a great reference pic. Imagine slamming down on that rock. Your truck will never be the same. How much steel do you want between you and the rock?
The slider should have some side impact protection too.
Leaving nothing to the imagination...
The particular sliders I chose are laser cut and formed, with internal bracing similar to seen aeronautical engineering, and not replicable in grandmas basement.
Good to know, I definitely won't be doing that so lesser slider would be on my shopping list just to prevent body damage when high centered some how on fireroads.
you slammed down on those rock draggers (or sliders if you want to call them that) pretty hard.
A properly designed slider will conform to, and reinforce the vulnerable rockers and not cost critical clearance.
with a slider design like phil is working on i doubt you would have even contacted the rocks. less rock contact means less smash/bash rock bouncing driving style.
To me, it's equivocal to the difference in protection that an ultra thin versus studded with steel belted condom affords.....
If I feel that I have to wear one at all, I wanna make damn sure it's gonna work....
Listen, I'm not knocking Phil's product, or any product, period. I'm happy there's still development and production occurring for the 80, especially from those that are active on Mud.
My point in posting was primarily to inform the new guy he may be s***ting at the dinner table, considering the crowd.
Secondary, defending the vendors prices for offering more than a shade tree fabricator with a 110 welder and a chop saw is going to produce for $30.
Anytime anyone wants to hit Waterfall with any less protection than what the MT modified sliders afford, I'd be happy to watch the point proven that the 2 1/2" below the rocker the MT sliders consume is a detriment and costing enough ground clearance to warrant a replacement.
It ain't gonna happen, but I'll stand by with a handful of crow, just in case.
