New Low Profile/Lightweight sliders?

[Infidel]

You know my stock running boards served me well for years...until they didn't.

I used the factory running boards until they got bent so much they got in the way of the doors...




Now as far as rocker protection as goes I try to avoid hitting my rockers on rocks...and carry a hand-sledge to get my doors to work again. :/

 

[hoser]

I can see that there is some added complexity, mostly surrounding the cat. It doesn't, in my opinion, make up for the price differential.

I'd love for LC sliders to be cheaper but I do see a difference in manufacturing cost. Let's take a look at the Shrockworks sliders in your link and try and compare apples to apples.

Shrockworks 4-dr JK sliders powdercoated semi-gloss $558

WKOR 80 series sliders have a similar design and they are $700 powder coated.

So a difference of $142.

What does $142 get you?

1) 2x3 rectangle tubing is about $40-50 more than 2x2 (JK slider) in a 10' length. Slee uses 2x4 tubing on the main and DOM on the outer tubes, both are even more.

2) Cat protection has to be worth at least $50+ for the 80 series sliders

3) Lastly, economies of scale. JK sliders probably outsell 80 series 10:1... that's worth at least $50/per pair.

That's the way I see it.

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

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with a slider design like phil is working on i doubt you would have even contacted the rocks. less rock contact means less smash/bash rock bouncing driving style.

You do pick up a couple inches of clearance over real sliders with my design. Watch the video and listen at 12 sec mark without my rock rails I would have seen real damage. On the prototype (new design thicker) I have collapsed the tube 100% and experienced no body damage at all.

Rock rails ARE NOT a replacement for a MT or Slee slider but I believe they will give a needed level of protection for most at a fair price.

I have been test and developing these for almost 3 years with 1000's of off road miles.

 

[T-ridecruiser]

You tell them big Phil!
His sliders rock.
Y not help the little guy out.
Actually he is way taller than me.

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

You tell them big Phil!
His sliders rock.
Y not help the little guy out.
Actually he is way taller than me.

Wow! The silent LC guru speaks

 

[sleeoffroad]

Because all the jackwagons want $680 for 1/4 a days labor!!!!! I REFUSE to pay the stupid high prices for sliders. I hope Phil comes thru on this & all the other guys have to lower their prices!

As always our offer stand. If you can supply us with sliders made to our design, with our QC in place and based on our schedule and quantities for a 1/4 of the price we current produce them for, we will gladly purchase from you, do the warehousing, marketing, pre and post sales support, pay the liability product insurance then then retail them for a 1/4 of what we do currently, and I am sure Phil, Metaltech and all other vendors would do the same.

 

[sethzilla]

Slee's, MT's and Hanna Quality sliders were made to do just that. Slide off the rocks(if necessary). I like the design of the low profile ones that Phil is making, he'll have a market for them.

I personally would have destroyed both sides of my 80 on the Rubicon if it wasn't for my HQ sliders. If someone buys a set of these and runs the 'Con please post up pics- if they can hold up to that trail Phil should have a lot of orders to fill!

This wasn't meant as an attack, I said before I like the product.

 

[johnalex]

FWIW - I wanted to wait till we made our production run was done but we have been testing our prototypes for both 80 & 100. We are happy with our design and in process of putting together a production run for 80 and 100.

Less expensive rock rails come to people that can wait.

We are shooting for $300 shipped. Production to begin next week

Very interested.

 

[Delancy]

As always our offer stand.

I will gladly take you up on your offer, just give me a month with Rosetta Stones' "Chinese."

Edited: Christo, an obvious attempt at humor and has no bearing on the rest of the conversation, as I'm in agreement with the cost versus benefit factor afforded by HD sliders.

Posed the same to LT, a possible improvement, since sweat shop kids can probably weld better the he can, anyway.

 

[gray rider]

Boys, boys, boys...you guys are like arguing brothers. But, if threatened from the outside, all of you will bond together to defeat it!

 

[gothodgie]

As always our offer stand. If you can supply us with sliders made to our design, with our QC in place and based on our schedule and quantities for a 1/4 of the price we current produce them for, we will gladly purchase from you, do the warehousing, marketing, pre and post sales support, pay the liability product insurance then then retail them for a 1/4 of what we do currently, and I am sure Phil, Metaltech and all other vendors would do the same.

Christo is the first one to mention what i think is the biggest thing a company has to deal with... "insurance and liability"... That is the one single thing that stopped me from starting a business building bumpers and other stuff for cruisers and mini trucks in the late 90s....

 

[NLXTACY]

I used the factory running boards until they got bent so much they got in the way of the doors...


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Now as far as rocker protection as goes I try to avoid hitting my rockers on rocks...and carry a hand-sledge to get my doors to work again. :/

If you are going to do it, do it right

 

[hadmatter]

Also very interested in a set of these, suits my purpose very well. I like the clearance savings since my rig is stk height. Also curious to know if there is weight savings as well.

Phil, do your rails attach by "clamping" the pinch weld from either side, the length of the weld?
THANKS!

 

[Otter]

Phil, since almost no one makes sliders that fit the 3FE 80s, is there any chance that these will?

Since these are mounting on the pinch weld and not the frame, I wouldn't think it would be a problem.

Definitely interested.

 

[LandCruiserPhil]

Phil, since almost no one makes sliders that fit the 3FE 80s, is there any chance that these will?

Since these are mounting on the pinch weld and not the frame, I wouldn't think it would be a problem.

Definitely interested.

Correct, no problem same fit for all 80 series.

 

[Qball]

Correct, no problem same fit for all 80 series.

When can we buy one???????????

 

[ElPolloBlanco]

Damn it where were these two years ago before I smashed my rockers in? These would have been more than enough.

Fat-fingered on my iPhone using IH8MUD

 

[084runnerltd]

All I have to say to this thread is, Merry CHRISTmas to all of you.

Cheer up, when it comes down to it, we are taking about a slap of metal......if u don't like it, move on.

If you like the idea that offers an affordable slider, stay tuned.

And if you bitch about overpriced slider that you can make at the half the cost....well....aren't you looking like a fool, cuz you aren't making them at half the cost.... So let's end this.

If in the Jeep world you were able to get cheap parts...well that's because your jeep is cheap and manufactories know they only had to make the product to last as long as the jeep would last...or 2-3yrs. For u people who read that seriously...it was meant as a joke.

Lol...I don't have anything against jeeps or guys that spend 2k in sliders...to each their own. However this thread was started to show a product and gauge the interest.

Don't know how it turned into...."I can make sliders for 200.00....." Well if that is the case, make them and you will make a lot if money.

Here is a case where the OP's whole goal is to offer an affordable slider....but then gets attacked by others that LC parts are too expensive....

To all u haters, go elf yourself!

I am more interested in product updates, developments, fitments, etc...rather than a welder a overcharges.

So, if you are not interested click "unscribe" and you will be free for the rest of your life.

I just don't understand when someone is working to bring a product to market at a fair cost.....why anyone would hassle him.

Over n out, Merry Christmas to the grinch's in thread!

Sent from DynaTAC bag phone

 

[rockrod]

You do pick up a couple inches of clearance over real sliders with my design. Watch the video and listen at 12 sec mark without my rock rails I would have seen real damage. On the prototype (new design thicker) I have collapsed the tube 100% and experienced no body damage at all.

Rock rails ARE NOT a replacement for a MT or Slee slider but I believe they will give a needed level of protection for most at a fair price.

I have been test and developing these for almost 3 years with 1000's of off road miles.

Which is exactly why I am interested in your sliders I could care less about drilling some holes to install them. It ain't like my cruiser is 'original' to some Toyota purist.

I've done the extreme rock crawling thing. I had a jeep to do it with because they can be built to do it very well. It didn't have sliders. It was boat sided all the way down with 45degree rocker panels. That's what worked in those wedgie type situations. An 80 is never going to be as capable as a jeep. It is however a far better exploring type vehicle that's hard to beat in that fashion. It's why I bought one and sold my jeep. The 80 replaced it because I have 4 kids and a wife to tote with me.

I for one can't wait to see the final production product. I will be one of your first customers. Please hurry

 

[Delancy]

If in the Jeep world you were able to get cheap parts...well that's because your jeep is cheap and manufactories know they only had to make the product to last as long as the jeep would last...or 2-3yrs.

Epic.

I'll have to correct spelling errors, but bound for the sig line.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!