Mothballing a big building

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This really depends on the type of construction of the building.
9 times out of 10, "mothballing" is not going to work

Buildings are designed to be internally aclimated, take that away, and there will be issues
 
Implode it.

If you decide to go this way, I suggest you contact your local Habitat for Humanity chapter, they may have a ReStore in your area. They will come and take anything that is resellable from the place for no cost, and give you a receipt for the donation. Then the stuff gets resold in the community for really cheap, and they get the profit to build more new homes. Less crap in the landfill, and a lot of people really like some of the commercial-grade stuff that comes out of these buildings (doors, hardware, counters, cabinets, etc).
 
Yeah it's not going to be as easy as I thought. We are going to work on getting it sold or hand it over to a management company to be used office space.

Pretty cool building though. Lots of cherry paneling throughout the entire building. Ended up finding 8 safes. 4 of which were very large. The bank donated all the furniture to the county which was nice. But the county was responsible for removing it. County ended up using prisoners to do the moving. What a cluster and they didn't really care what they damaged on the way out of the building.

Here are a few pics of the building. As you can see it isn't something that can be torn down. That would take a lot of money. The mechanical rooms were really cool. Everything is controlled by a desktop computer. Chillers were huge.
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How did you aquire something like this? (If you don't mind me asking)
 
How did you aquire something like this? (If you don't mind me asking)

My great grandfather owned the land. He was one of the founders of Southern National Bank. His house was on that property. His wife was the last one to live in the house and when she died the house was demolished. Later her son (my great uncle) became president of the bank. He leased the land that my family owned to the bank and they built this building on it. The bank merged with BB&T back in the 90's and moved the headquarters to Raleigh. The bank used the building for various things until this year when they built a new much smaller building behind this one. They decided not to renew the lease. So the building becomes property of my family as of today at 5.
 
My great grandfather owned the land. He was one of the founders of Southern National Bank. His house was on that property. His wife was the last one to live in the house and when she died the house was demolished. Later her son (my great uncle) became president of the bank. He leased the land that my family owned to the bank and they built this building on it. The bank merged with BB&T back in the 90's and moved the headquarters to Raleigh. The bank used the building for various things until this year when they built a new much smaller building behind this one. They decided not to renew the lease. So the building becomes property of my family as of today at 5.

Can the family afford to keep it in "showable" condition?
 
Can the family afford to keep it in "showable" condition?

Yes shouldn't be a problem. We have someone checking the building weekly. Biggest hurdle is keeping moisture down. In the winter that shouldn't be a problem. Summer is a different story. Looking at monitoring it first and if it rises start adding dehumidifiers on each floor as needed. Chillers are getting drained as well as the water in the building. Planning on putting antifreeze in all the P-traps to prevent freezing and sewer gasses entering the building. Roof has another 8 years of life in it. And most of the mechanicals were replaced in the past year.

They make millions on importing carbs and distributors.............

Lol. I wish. Good thing is this isn't my problem yet. My dad and his sisters and a cousin own it.


Crazy thing about the building was they thought you could just turn the power off and lock the doors. It took some convincing to show them you cannot do that and have something that is of any value a year from now.

First thing would be the basement flooding due to no power to the two sump pumps. Then the moisture would get it and it would be come a dead building in less than a few months.

It was really cool walking around the building. The elevator mechanical room was really cool as was the generator area and main mechanical room. The generator ran off natural gas as well had a very large tank of propane it could use if the gas was cut. I got to start it up and let it run for a while. Cranked right up. The basement of this place has something like 4' thick walls. It was used as a bomb shelter back during the cold war.
 
Buildings sell for more when they have tenants with leases. It was gravy when the ground lessor was paying rent and everything else including the taxes and yeah it would be tough to find another deal like that, but semi-old bank buildings get cut up into office suites all the time.

There is probably a commercial real estate brokerage who would be willing to try to lease some of the space out and anything going on in there daily would help on all of your family's concerns.

Since Lumberton is the county seat maybe some local govt. agencies are ready to find some new digs?

Best of luck to your family with that situation!
 
Buildings sell for more when they have tenants with leases. It was gravy when the ground lessor was paying rent and everything else including the taxes and yeah it would be tough to find another deal like that, but semi-old bank buildings get cut up into office suites all the time.

There is probably a commercial real estate brokerage who would be willing to try to lease some of the space out and anything going on in there daily would help on all of your family's concerns.

Since Lumberton is the county seat maybe some local govt. agencies are ready to find some new digs?

Best of luck to your family with that situation!

that's where I was going. If you can afford to keep the building "running", with a maintenece program in place, you'll not only keep the building alive, but you'll have better luck getting tenants or a buyer.

anti-freeze in the traps and stuff like that is all well and good, but if you really want the building to last, it MUST be aclimated.

If you don't continue to use the mechanical systems they will deteriorate in no time. If you do not heat and cool as necessary, the structure itself could start to see adverse affects from weather extremes.
 
sell off the eqipment inside- the prices will only go down as they sit and grown less effecent, over time. also the new owner will probably want newer and more effecent systems anyway- and fewer no doubt.( along with wanting to update the building) the elevators are a toss up, personaly i'd try to keep 'em intact, but this is one idem that i don't know much about. the new roof should help to protect the unused building alot. board or better brick up, the lower windows( this includes excess outside doors) and inspect a lot. good luck, waiting for the market to improve seems to be a damn good strategy right now.
 
We are working on several options.

Several months ago my cousin told my father about a mural that had been installed in the 1st floor of the building back when it was being built in 1967. AT that time he nor anyone else knew if it still existed. After a few calls it was found that it indeed existed but no one knew if it still worked. See this is not just your ordinary mural. It was designed by Joe Cox an artist out of Raleigh. He was mostly known for his paintings but he created a few of these murals. The one in our building is thought to be the first of it's kind he designed and built. There is another one in the ceiling of the CCB building in Durham. Though I think it is smaller and is currently not working. The only other one know in existence is in the NC State library. The Color Wall - Restoring NC State University's kinetic light sculpture in D.H. Hill Library The NC State mural had fallen out of repair for several years. After a year of fundraising they were able to put it back to it's former glory.

Our mural is 8 ft high and 32 ft long. It is a lighting mural consisting of a giant aluminum box with vanes of different sizes and angles. Behind it is a white wall. If front of it is a set of 30 lights of mainly blue, green, yellow and red that shine down on theses vanes. Due to the different angles and sizes of the vanes the lights mix on the wall behind it giving it a kaleidoscope of different colors. The mural was said to still be functioning in 1995. But from what I can tell by the shape it was in it couldn't have been working much longer than that. Nothing worked. The good news was the wall vanes and lights were still there, though they had covered up about half of the mural with cubicles. I ended up finding the switches that controlled the mural over near the tellers area. Pressing buttons proved to fruitless. It was dead. I feared it would take an electrician and a whole wad of cash to get it back running again. I know this was not something we wanted to do. At that point I figured I might never see it come back to life.

Fast forward to today. I had to come back to do another walk through of the building. It looks so much better with the mess the county made cleaned up. It's still kind of sad seeing it so empty. I can remember going there as a little boy with my granfather to go visit Uncle Hector every summer. I can remember going and eating lunch with them on the 4th floor. As I walked through the basement I noticed a metal box on the ground we had been puzzled by last week when we were there. No one from the bank knew what it was other than it was old and was something that was installed in the bank. Well today I figured out what it was, or at least Gary our building manager did. He noticed that one of the plugs on this box matched a plug in the janitors room on the 1st floor. So after I had done the initial walk through and Gary had left I locked the front door and went to work. I took the box from down in the basement and brought it upstairs. I plugged it in and went and pushed the buttons over at the tellers office only to be disappointed. I then noticed the box wasn't getting any power and realized I needed to bypass a switch that wasn't working. I finally could hear the transformer humm. Went and pushed the buttons and got nothing. At this point I thought I was at a dead end until I remembered seeing another cable down in the basement. I went and retrieved it. It plugged into the box as well and after 15min of studying the box I had it figured out. I jumped some of the wires to see if I was right and I could hear the relays clicking and from a distance I could see light from around the corner of the lobby. 15 minutes later I had it completely wired back up. I buttoned everything back up and cut everything back on. Walked back to the tellers area and pushed 1 button at a time. I had light! but not a lot. Of the 30 lights only 4 or so worked. So I made a trip to Lowes during dinner. 30 new flood light bulbs and I was back installing them high in the ceiling. After about an hour I had finished the job. I turned off the lobby lights went and turned the system back on and went back over to the tellers area and pushed the #1 button.

Once again Joe Cox's Color Wall was back from the dead. It went from shades of blue to green to red all with the push of a button. I'm sure Joe is up in heaven smiling right now. I know I was. I took video of the different colors each button did. I'll try to get that uploaded this weekend when I have some spare time. I didn't run the system for very long. Maybe 5 min tops before I shut it down to cool off and to check for any issues. I did find some. A connector in the control box had some evidence of some heat. This is most likely the reason why it was taken out of commission. Connectors back 40 years ago were just not meant to handle 30 90 watt bulbs all on one wire. That being said I don't think Joe really thought that control box would last as long as it did. If we want this mural to be a good reliable system we will need to put in a new connector (maybe 40 dollars). Also the system relays on relays. 30 of them in fact. There were a few that are bad. They are plug and play type so it wouldn't take but maybe 5 min to replace them. I think the biggest improvement to the system would be different bulbs. The shear number of high wattage bulbs are what tax the system. Back then that was all they had though. Today we have LED bulbs that put out just as much light but at a fraction of the wattage. Running 30 LED lights would be about the same as running 5 regular bulbs. Plus they would last longer. Only problem with LED lights is that they are expensive. They run around 40 dollars a light. Though adding these would solve any electrical issue the system might have. Considering the building is empty I don't see the need to do anything right now. If someone wants to see the lights on in person it might be best if I or an electrician are present. It's not something I would feel comfortable just letting anyone plug it back in. For the time being it will stay unplugged.

I hope you enjoyed the story as much as I had working on it. I love troubleshooting.

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That's pretty neat - and a good job by you to get it going again.

Now, the historical society will come in, declare it a town jewel, and you will have to fork over a ton of cash to keep it in pristine shape.

Actually, you should talk to them about using that building to house the local museum, if they don't already have one.
 

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