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90cf of storage is pretty decent if number is correct. It's the same as a current 4Runner. And more than the outgoing GX, LC200, LX600, and the Sequoia. It must be wider in the cargo area than the 4Runner because the front seats are set back about 4-5 inches vs the 4Runner due to the cab-back relocation in the new styling language. And the third row deck is higher, meaning the volume presumably from width.
The weight - if correct - is heavy for a midsize SUV. It's also more confirmation to me that it is very close to the same vehicle as the LC300. It's basically identical to the LC300. As is GVWR.
Aerodynamics are worse than the LC300 and Sequoia. I guess that's the price to pay for boxy styling. Probably explains the lower EPA rating.
The weight - if correct - is heavy for a midsize SUV. It's also more confirmation to me that it is very close to the same vehicle as the LC300. It's basically identical to the LC300. As is GVWR.
Aerodynamics are worse than the LC300 and Sequoia. I guess that's the price to pay for boxy styling. Probably explains the lower EPA rating.
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It is the same platform. That doesn’t mean the frame is identical.
Toyota's New Land Cruiser "250" Makes World Premiere | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website
Toyota Motor Corporation (Toyota) has unveiled the new Land Cruiser "250" Series to the world, with the launch planned for the first half of 2024 in Japan. Also announced today is the heavy-duty Land Cruiser "70", which will make its return to Japan this coming winter as a regular model in the...global.toyota
"The new 250 Series is a core Land Cruiser model with the same GA-F platform as the 300 Series to dramatically improve basic performance as an off-roader."
"At the heart of this is the GA-F platform.
Reliability and durability are built-in, and performance over rough terrain is on par with the flagship Land Cruiser
Toyota has said in a number of interviews that the GA-F platform allows them to scale up and down the thickness of the frame in different locations, allowing them to tailor the strength as needed. In addition, the wheelbase of the frame can be stretched as the 4-door, long-bed Tundra has a much longer wheelbase than the 300. Given that longer wheelbase, I suspect the Tundra has to resist a much larger bending moment (due to the higher leverage from the longer distance). So it wouldn’t surprise if the Tundra has the thickest/strongest steel sections in the frame.
There can be differences in the frame itself as well. Many of the basic hard points are the same, but the frame can be stretched and the strength of the frame tailored to each vehicle.
TheLCProject
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You get it.
Being the same platform doesn't mean that they share the same frame, suspension, steering, drivetrain, or any other components. There's just a lot of people out there saying that it's all the same (or asking someone to prove that they aren't all the same). TNGA is about bringing deeper collaboration and consolidation to the design, manufacturing, and delivery of vehicles that existed previously in the Toyota Production System. And as part of that broader program they focused on some basic design improvements (lower center of gravity, improved visibility, strong/more rigid frames). It simplifies the whole production process from beginning to end. But, correct me if I'm wrong (@OGBeno ), that doesn't mean that the underpinnings of all the vehicles in a segment of the platform (TNGA-F, for instance) are all the same. Each platform leaves enough flexibility for model differentiation for the vehicle use and market.
And the conclusion I'm drawing is that Toyota recognized that the US market didn't need the full robustness of the flagship for the US market to sell a boatload or two of them. Enter the 250/550.
"TNGA is a program of structural innovation, starting with changing the basic architecture of vehicles. Through TNGA, we are completely remaking the powertrain unit (engine, transmission, HEV unit) and basic frames (chassis). With integrated product development, we anticipate a rapid improvement in the three areas of basic driving performance, namely, moving, turning, and stopping. In doing so, we hope to continue providing cars that our customers cherish."
If folks are interested in more detail on the changes in the new frame and where and how they are using the tailor welded blanks to form the new frame sections see the above powerpoint slides. The big benefit is the ability to add reinforcements to high stress areas while using thinner material for the rest. The basic frame rails are probably pretty similar with Tundra and possibly Tacoma having heavier base frame thickness and the shorter wheelbase LC and GX/LX/4R having thinner frames. It's just a matter of span and forces. A tacoma frame spans more distance than LC and has a lot less structural support from the body. Tundra of course is even more so. I think it's very unlikely that an LC300 would have a different general frame thickness than an LC250 and also unlikely that the LC300 would have a heavier frame than a Tacoma given the higher stresses that a Tacoma frame will see.
Agreed, but why can't we get 43" of front legroom for us taller people as well.
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Identical leg room to my LX 600. I'm 6'4. It's fine. I'd love to have another inch, but not a big deal.
MoJ
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The source is “there’s a new model and I can’t let it be better than my current model”
Where did all the pictures go? There are a lot of words in this picture thread.
TheLCProject
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I'd assume your reply here is aimed at me. I have no skin in the game regarding an old model. To the contrary, I am hopeful on the 250/550 because it appears that I'll have adequate headroom where it hasn't been there on an LC since 1999. I'm just trying to cut through the marketing/influence around it all and ensure an informed decision. I've been hung up on the different meanings for the word "platform" in Toyota's and Lexus' marketing materials and really understanding what the differences are between the 250 and 550. This is hard because everyone is just saying they are TNGA-F and so they're the same - but they aren't. There are differences and I'm looking forward to understanding them.
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I'll do my part. Some may be repeats.
What I like to do with the new GX550:
(Spending time in the dirt)
What I really do the most:
(Keeping them squeaky clean)
Some others
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Same 22 MPG as the Grand Highlander if true. That bodes well for Toyota’s estimated 27 MPG for the hybrid.
Fort9378
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The lexus version just looks so dang good. Especially with some flex going on under it.
Thank you for your service Kurt. Can’t wait to see ya ripping around in one
With the GX550 Official Pricing and Specs released, here is a thread we can use for words to discuss all things GX550 and related Land Cruiser 250 / 6th gen 4Runner info.
GX550 Pricing, Specs & LC250 / 4Runner Related Info
Lexus has released their official Pricing and Specs for the GX550, the twin LC250 should share many of the specs, but at a lower price point. https://pressroom.lexus.com/a-new-legend-is-born-the-all-new-2024-lexus-gx/ GX550 Specs...
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