Intercooler or Methanol for Summer temps?

[BajaCruiser94]

Summer is approaching fast, and I want to keep my SC engine temps cooler this season; I read about both setups; I’m leaning over the simplicity of the methanol option; but my concern is about IAT while idling and/or slow going stuff.

Can methanol be used at idle in small amounts to aid IAT and subsequently coolant temperatures? Or is it just under boost conditions?; or am I just plain wrong on the whole concept?

The way I see it is the intercooling (Water/Air) is more complex and requires custom stuff than I’m not really attracted to add at this point; engine bay is full/complex enough as it is.

-Emerson

 

[White Stripe]

I would do a air to air or water to air intercooler. It will be less maintenance. I have meth injection, and while it does work, I kinda wish I just had something that didn't have to be monitored so much. You could always do both intercooler and meth injection.

 

[1973Guppie]

I am not sure that meth is going to help you at idle. I mounted a small cheap fan in front of the grill for just this purpose when on the trail in the scenario where there is not much air flow I can pop it on to create air flow. So far it has helped quite a bit in those situations.

 

[Heckraiser]

air to air intercooler is the most mechanically simple option, but will also be the least effective at low speeds. I've seen some people do some pretty trick top mount A/A intercoolers with the SC if you search mud or google images. Haven't seen any front mounts done. Obviously front mount will be harder to pull off, but will cool better. You can also re-locate your passenger side windshield spray nozzle to spray on the intercooler in case you're feeling fast and furious.

 

[EngEngr]

air to water CAC between the compressor and intake. Air to Air will give you minimal heat transfer at idle/slow speeds. Doing A2W correctly isn't that hard and you won't really need custom parts. Buy a frozen boost kit and call it done. Air/Water heat exchanger, reservoir, radiator/fan, pump, lines.

Liquid Air Intercooler

 

[BajaCruiser94]

I'll be taking measurements to see fitment among the ones FrozenBost has in their page

 

[bigshrek]

The system I have on my Power Stroke Diesel, does not flow at idle. It has a boost sensor, when boost pressure meets the minimum it will start to flow. It will atomize the mix. I have both a Inner cooler and Snow performance system. I only use the methanol system when towing. Most of the time I just run distilled water in system. If your truly looking for simple, you can't go wrong with the inner cooler. If you do a search, there's plenty of folks who have used inner coolers from other applications and adapted them to there use to keep cost down.
There are a couple things to consider while thinking about this system. Methanol is a fuel (additional cost), so you will get a slight bump in power. The second is you will need to use distilled water in the system.
Search Amazon for snow performance and take a look.

 

[subzali]

air to air intercooler is the most mechanically simple option, but will also be the least effective at low speeds. I've seen some people do some pretty trick top mount A/A intercoolers with the SC if you search mud or google images. Haven't seen any front mounts done. Obviously front mount will be harder to pull off, but will cool better. You can also re-locate your passenger side windshield spray nozzle to spray on the intercooler in case you're feeling fast and furious.

I'd still like to see someone take the front mount Safari A/A intercooler for the diesels and use it for the supercharger. I suppose plumbing could be a bit of a nightmare because of where the sc exits though...

 

[scottryana]

Frozen boost kit is junk, don't waste your money.

All someone really needs to do is take the space available for the A/W intercooler, draw it up and send it to Bell Intercoolers. That way it is on file and anyone that is going to cool their SC'er can do it right.

air to water CAC between the compressor and intake. Air to Air will give you minimal heat transfer at idle/slow speeds. Doing A2W correctly isn't that hard and you won't really need custom parts. Buy a frozen boost kit and call it done. Air/Water heat exchanger, reservoir, radiator/fan, pump, lines.

Liquid Air Intercooler

 

[inkpot]

I wheel all year round here in the Phoenix area. I do not have meth injection or intercooler. I have put 98,000 miles on it scince May of 2010 with the SC on it. What's the problem?

 

[EngEngr]

I wheel all year round here in the Phoenix area. I do not have meth injection or intercooler. I have put 98,000 miles on it scince May of 2010 with the SC on it. What's the problem?

Inkpot makes a good point. What is your desire for cooler intake manifold temperatures coming from? Wanting more low speed torque? knock avoidance?

And actually, how much boost does the 1fzfe SC even make at low load?

 

[BajaCruiser94]

My goal is to keep coolant temperatures below 210 regardless of driving condition; as of last summer I was unsuccessful; and keep the added kick during cooler months.

I tried:
- Orange Hub Fan Clutch
- New Al Radiator
- Hood Vents
- High Output SPAL Aux Fan
- Foam on top radiator gap, OEM splash guard on bottom
- New Denso O2 sensors, OEM fuel filter, Denso fuel pump.

I still see temperatures above 215 while city driving (specially while idling) with AC on and 100+ weather; I know for some this is normal, I just don't feel comfortable with that temperature and the loss of the SC "kick" during summer.

-Emerson

 

[NLXTACY]

My goal is to keep coolant temperatures below 210 regardless of driving condition; as of last summer I was unsuccessful; and keep the added kick during cooler months.

I tried:
- Orange Hub Fan Clutch
- New Al Radiator
- Hood Vents
- High Output SPAL Aux Fan
- Foam on top radiator gap, OEM splash guard on bottom
- New Denso O2 sensors, OEM fuel filter, Denso fuel pump.

I still see temperatures above 215 while city driving (specially while idling) with AC on and 100+ weather; I know for some this is normal, I just don't feel comfortable with that temperature and the loss of the SC "kick" during summer.

-Emerson

Dude something else is going on. I average 184* and it was 92* here yesterday.

 

[2KCruiser]

Check to see if your cats are good and flowing properly. Also check for exhaust leaks. I have had this be a cause of close to 227 temps while idling. I also seem to remember a certain episode of Joey's Heat mentioning a similar exhaust related issue with temps @NLXTACY

 

[NLXTACY]

Check to see if your cats are good and flowing properly. Also check for exhaust leaks. I have had this be a cause of close to 227 temps while idling. I also seem to remember a certain episode of Joey's Heat mentioning a similar exhaust related issue with temps @NLXTACY

Yuuuup

 

[White Stripe]

OK so you want to control engine temp rather than intake Temps, those are 2 different things.

 

[NLXTACY]

OK so you want to control engine temp rather than intake Temps, those are 2 different things.

Bingo

 

[EngEngr]

water pump and/or coolant system restriction... coolant flow is a big player in heat transfer. Could also be your pressure cap or stuck thermostat

 

[landtank]

My goal is to keep coolant temperatures below 210 regardless of driving condition; as of last summer I was unsuccessful; and keep the added kick during cooler months.

I tried:
- Orange Hub Fan Clutch
- New Al Radiator
- Hood Vents
- High Output SPAL Aux Fan
- Foam on top radiator gap, OEM splash guard on bottom
- New Denso O2 sensors, OEM fuel filter, Denso fuel pump.

I still see temperatures above 215 while city driving (specially while idling) with AC on and 100+ weather; I know for some this is normal, I just don't feel comfortable with that temperature and the loss of the SC "kick" during summer.

-Emerson

While idling the difference between NA and SC is ZERO! IF you are seeing 215* at these times start looking at your exhaust.

 

[landtank]

You could have a HG breach as well