front bumper install (1 Viewer)

[REZARF]

oh hawkdriver of course your going to have a bias you sell bolt on fj40 bumpers...lol

... He got you there Hawk!

I say bolt it up, if I welded mine in place, I would most definatly get into an accident within 24 hours, and the only damage I would incur would be a jacked up bumper that I had to cut off.

Just my humble .02

You could just get Hawk to send you one of his new swank bumpers, all the design work is figured out.

Rezarf <><

 

[Adventure Teq]

... He got you there Hawk!

hehehe, Yup and there is a reason it's bolted.

The fact that I have a bias is irrelevant, it's the reason why I have this bias that matters: because it's the best way to go.

jk, I really don't give a fawk. Like I said, both are great. Bolting works for my application at this time, later with a more modded truck I'd likely weld on all sorts of shiat. :thumup:

Yes rivets are stronger than bolts, but after searching for 5 minutes it was the best picture I found to illustrate my point that bolts/hardware are not weak. You get the picture.

 

[camcruiser13]

hehehe, , but after searching for 5 minutes it was the best picture I found to illustrate my point that bolts/hardware are not weak. You get the picture.

you wuss bag, at least searsh for seven minutes,




depends if you can weld or not too.

in the end do whatever the hell you want.

 

[rusty_tlc]

OK.... first let me explain what I ment by "half ass",
1) If your gonna use a piece of junk for a bumper ie; thin wall or weak metal... go ahead and bolt it ... cause its gonna break anyways.
I did NOT say that because is bolted its half assed. and as for the referance to the bridge having bolts... 2)well I just dont want 60 bolts holding on my bumper...true they can be very strong and in the case of the bridge they are simply cost effective. And yes Mine Yours and every other crusier has frame twist. it is built intp the frame... 3) however "most" cruisers that I have seen have the torque tube cut out anyway. it wouldnt hurt to stiffen up the frame..even more if you have a shackle reversal front end.
just my 2 cents
by the way... those are rivets... not bolts, and they are way stronger than bolts.

1) Gee so the HFS bumper I got from CCOT that is designed to be bolted on is a piece of junk?

2) Shear strength on a 5/8" bolt is 2300#. How many would you need to hold your bumper on? 60? 138,000# is one heavy ass cruiser.

3) How would a half ass mod like removing a frame component and not replacing it justify welding a bumper on? Wouldn't it make sense to fix the problem rather than bandaid it?


Edit: I had a replacment torsion tube made for $40 by a local shop. It's not a hard problem to fix.

 

[rusty_tlc]

you wuss bag, at least searsh for seven minutes,




depends if you can weld or not too.

in the end do whatever the hell you want.

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!

 

[Trollhole]

This is a pretty good argument.

Bolting things on is going to make a a trail repar much easier. And I agree with some items they should be bolted. The PO had welded the front bumper on and bolted the brush guard on. Made sense to me especially for taking the winch off and on. When doing the Saginaw install I had to cut the front bumper off. It probably took less time to do that than it would have to unbolt it. When I put it back on I decide to weld it back. No bolts or bracketry to worry about and I consider myself a good welder. I made sure it was out far enough that I could get my PS box off without cutting the bumper back off. Now if I had a big bumper I would probably bolt it on. Just because for me a big bumper is most likely going to get bent and need maint. Which would be a lot easier to do off the vehicle. And If I had my winch mounted to it I would definetly bolt it.

After installing the PS I also decided to weld the brush guard on. It would only take 5 secs to cut it off. But bolted on it would take someone 2 min to unbolt it and the winch and have 1k in a nice winch and bumper. So I welded it for more security than anything else.

I guess it's all in the application and has nothing to do with how lazy you are.

 

[rusty_tlc]

Security is a really good argument for welding.

I may tack the nuts to the bolts. I can hit them with a grinder if I need to remove them but it should slow down a thief.

Who needs Locktight?

 

[Pin_Head]

So I welded it for more security than anything else.

I bolted AND welded (just a little) my bumper for the same reason.

 

[FF LC FREAK]

Dead horse. Beat, beat, beat.

Okay, we get the picture. There are two schools of thought. Both are valid. Both have flaws. Move on.......

 

[Trollhole]

Dead horse. Beat, beat, beat.

Okay, we get the picture. There are two schools of thought. Both are valid. Both have flaws. Move on.......

LOL Noob.

We debate the same issues over and over, yes, but things change and so do opinions. Telling us to move on after 5 post is not a great way to start out.

Oh and welcome.

Welding and bolting have their place.

 

[FF LC FREAK]

Point taken. I certainly don't want to make enemies right off. I just thought it was funny that the same points kept being made over and over. No offense meant.

 

[rusty_tlc]

This stuff happens on every forum I visit. It pays to learn how to keep from letting your jockeys bunch up.

 

[Adventure Teq]

Well I'm Fawkin Pissed!

jk

moving on....

Welcome to MUD again.

 

[Pin_Head]

Dead horse. Beat, beat, beat.

Okay, we get the picture. There are two schools of thought. Both are valid. Both have flaws. Move on.......

What picture? There are actually three schools of thought:

1. Bolt
2. Weld
3. Both Weld and Bolt.

 

[rusmannx]

i used 4 7/8" bolts to hold my bumper on.
worked super great

 

[Rocknroll]

Hey Rusty, how do you like you ccot hfs bumper? I'm thinking about one of those myself.

I'll decide whether to bolt or weld after I read a much more in depth discussion on the matter.

 

[FJ40fiji]

Grade 8 bolts have a minimum 150,000 psi yield strength (in tension anyway) where most filler materials (rod or wire) is around half of that. Depending on the cross section of the welds versuses the cross section of the bolts, either could be stronger, but it should be easy to match the strength of the welds with bolts. Anybody weld on a winch? Are you worried about pulling that off too? If you can hold that on with four bolts, four bolts should hold the bumper fine while winching too it would seem. I am sure somebody out there has seen a bumper get pulled of by a winch before and I'll hear the story now, but I haven't heard of it yet, and it is at least uncommon.
By the way, one good reason to remove the bumper would be upgrading said winch, who doesn't want that? And the above picture shows some very simple brackets that could be cut from some heavy angle iron in a matter of minutes. Not much time to waste fabbing up brackets.

 

[rusty_tlc]

Hey Rusty, how do you like you ccot hfs bumper? I'm thinking about one of those myself.

I'll decide whether to bolt or weld after I read a much more in depth discussion on the matter.

The only problem I had was thet the used for shackle reversal moved the OEM brackets out 1/8" on each side. This offset caused me to have to "egg" out the holes in the bumper with a drill. Otherwise the quality and fit are great. I like the way the 8274 mounts.

 

[bandy rooster]

hey rusman- get some grade 8 bolts man.... and don't use anything else but.