camcruisers ram assist write up

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:21 AM

well it was finally time to get my lazy butt in gear and start my ram assist,

it was fairly tricky, i am running 4x4labs 6stud hysteer and as we all know the tie rod is behind the axle so mounting the ram was a pita i thought. so here we go.

hysteer pics

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:22 AM

next i dilly dallied for what seemed like days to come up with some sort of mounting bracket, i came up with what i thought would be the best bracket for what i am capable of welding and fabbing etc

started out with some tubing bent at 45* to get proper angles

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:25 AM

i then had to cut to fit if you will

and twist and turn to get the proper mounting possition. i held the ram in place with some bungees to get the right idea of placement. and then proceeded to make the brackettrust me when i say

easier said than done

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:28 AM

i tacked the bracket in place and then tacked the tie rod end in place,

before i did this i turned my tire left to right and measured how far each way and found the center and marked it,

it was close to 3 inches each way

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:34 AM

i then put the ram on again and bolted it up and then had my lovely assistant turn the wheel for more each way to check clearence and make sure my measurements were close, i eneded up moving the tie rod end out a little further by a half inch.

then cycled the wheel again and got it right where i wanted it, took it all apart welded and painted the tie rod

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:36 AM

tonight i will finish the following
install the new steering box, route the hoses install the new pump and clean up the rest of the bracket. i will also prvide links to where i bought the items and where i had the box tapped at etc.

what do you guys thnk, see any flaws or trouble spots?? let me know im here to learn

mr_manny · 07-09-07, 11:43 AM

cam,
how are you going to secure the ram to the tie-rod?

I have seen a few drivers-side mount setups...I think yours is the first passenger-side.

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_manny

cam,
how are you going to secure the ram to the tie-rod?

I have seen a few drivers-side mount setups...I think yours is the first passenger-side.

yes it will be on the passenger, see post 5

trust me i ran through every option i could think of. it will not effect the ram or the performance if the ram is mounted on either side.

see post where i was asking this question.

its hard to tell in the pics ill get some tinight when i get it bolted up

Mace · 07-09-07, 01:19 PM

you got enough room for hoses?

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mace

you got enough room for hoses?

yeah i test fit everything so hopefully itll all go together easily

dgangle · 07-09-07, 01:28 PM

Good write-up Cameron. Good expl. of how but I would like to know "why".

Not 'why' as in I'm questioning you why you would do this but 'why' as in what does this do that Saginaw doesn't?

Isotel · 07-09-07, 01:32 PM

Looks good, im going to be doing the same thing soon!

What ram did you go with?

Dgangle, Ill help answer the question.. When you get into a situation where your front tires have a lot of traction, and your front axle is locked, No conventional PS is going to be able to turn the tires unless you are moving a bit..

i was in a situation on the 4th of july where i was coming straight down some ledges and all the weight of the truck was on the front tires.. the tires would not turn at all, and this is a rebuilt box, and Brand new Pump Modified for more output.. Here us a photo.. Hydro is needed in order to turn the tires without having the truck moving.

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isotel

Looks good, im going to be doing the same thing soon!

What ram did you go with?

http://trail-gear.com/hydro-steering-inst.html

this is the one i got, dont know if itll work or not, but we'll see.

came with everything.\

i got my box and pump worked on here

http://www.rocklogic4x4.com/home.php

projektdotnet · 07-09-07, 01:45 PM

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 01:45 PM

isotel hit it on the head, and im locked up front and need more power to turn the meats, the saginaw is fine but in some situations it just doesnt turn the tires

bustanutley · 07-09-07, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgangle

Good write-up Cameron. Good expl. of how but I would like to know "why".

Not 'why' as in I'm questioning you why you would do this but 'why' as in what does this do that Saginaw doesn't?

Hydro assist is one of the best things I have done to my truck, saginaw got maxed out pretty easy, with a 1.75" ram on there I can almost always steer, aside from when I have a tire in a crack and things are going to break if I steer. Now I just a need a pump that can keep up with the baja

steering is a little slow.

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 04:55 PM

are you guys with rams running a bigger cooler, i gt just a wee one, on now thinking of swapping in a bigger one, also for more fluid.

bustanutley · 07-09-07, 05:01 PM

I run a tranny cooler out of a ford tempo, it is single row maybe 4"x8" ?

numtel · 07-09-07, 07:15 PM

Does anybody have extra trouble with knuckle studs when running hydro assist? Right now I just deal with not being able to turn with my saginaw ps.

bustanutley · 07-09-07, 08:44 PM

I tighten the knuckles every morning before I wheel, no problems as of yet. Ben is the only one in our crew that has sheared knuckle studs (arp) and he is running 44's, he is pretty sure the reason it happened is because after installing arps he neglected to tighten his knuckles regularly.

yellowstoner · 07-09-07, 10:33 PM

Cam, you have been busy. It's looking good. Did everything go smoothly tonight? I will plan on seeing you Wed. for more Saginaw fun.

Dave

1973Guppie · 07-09-07, 11:27 PM

looks good cam, you need this guy to lean into those turns so you don't roll.

Noah

camcruiser13 · 07-09-07, 11:40 PM

Cam, you have been busy. It's looking good. Did everything go smoothly tonight? I will plan on seeing you Wed. for more Saginaw fun.

Dave

i rest on the eigth day man,

get r done

wednesday work for me

07-09-07, 11:21 AM	#1
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	camcruisers ram assist write up well it was finally time to get my lazy butt in gear and start my ram assist, it was fairly tricky, i am running 4x4labs 6stud hysteer and as we all know the tie rod is behind the axle so mounting the ram was a pita i thought. so here we go. hysteer pics Attached Images __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:22 AM	#2
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	next i dilly dallied for what seemed like days to come up with some sort of mounting bracket, i came up with what i thought would be the best bracket for what i am capable of welding and fabbing etc started out with some tubing bent at 45* to get proper angles Attached Images __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:25 AM	#3
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	i then had to cut to fit if you will and twist and turn to get the proper mounting possition. i held the ram in place with some bungees to get the right idea of placement. and then proceeded to make the brackettrust me when i say easier said than done Attached Images __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:28 AM	#4
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	i tacked the bracket in place and then tacked the tie rod end in place, before i did this i turned my tire left to right and measured how far each way and found the center and marked it, it was close to 3 inches each way Attached Images __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:34 AM	#5
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	i then put the ram on again and bolted it up and then had my lovely assistant turn the wheel for more each way to check clearence and make sure my measurements were close, i eneded up moving the tie rod end out a little further by a half inch. then cycled the wheel again and got it right where i wanted it, took it all apart welded and painted the tie rod Attached Images __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:36 AM	#6
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	tonight i will finish the following install the new steering box, route the hoses install the new pump and clean up the rest of the bracket. i will also prvide links to where i bought the items and where i had the box tapped at etc. what do you guys thnk, see any flaws or trouble spots?? let me know im here to learn __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:43 AM	#7
mr_manny almost done...honest Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san pancho, ca TLCA# 14254 Posts: 1,351	cam, how are you going to secure the ram to the tie-rod? I have seen a few drivers-side mount setups...I think yours is the first passenger-side. __________________ 1972 FJ40 2F, sm465, Detroit-R/Aussie-F, Longfield SS, SUA - Rear FJ55 lift-springs x4, Disc Brakes x4, 315/75R16 KM2, 92" WB Help the Honey Bees

07-09-07, 01:19 PM	#9
Mace what he said Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 10,984	you got enough room for hoses? __________________ I am kinda gay....... My Myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=75712409 "Mary Poppins: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun. You find the fun and - SNAP - the job's a game."

07-09-07, 01:32 PM	#12
Isotel IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crawlorado.com TLCA# 16898 Posts: 2,961	Looks good, im going to be doing the same thing soon! What ram did you go with? Dgangle, Ill help answer the question.. When you get into a situation where your front tires have a lot of traction, and your front axle is locked, No conventional PS is going to be able to turn the tires unless you are moving a bit.. i was in a situation on the 4th of july where i was coming straight down some ledges and all the weight of the truck was on the front tires.. the tires would not turn at all, and this is a rebuilt box, and Brand new Pump Modified for more output.. Here us a photo.. Hydro is needed in order to turn the tires without having the truck moving. __________________ 1976 FJ40 TBI350 700R4 D300 SOA Locked 37" PBR's Protected by REDLINE Colorado Land Cruisers - Club Redline Land Cruisers - Safety First CrAwLoRadO.com - Just Check it out Last edited by Isotel; 07-09-07 at 01:40 PM.

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07-09-07, 04:55 PM	#17
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	are you guys with rams running a bigger cooler, i gt just a wee one, on now thinking of swapping in a bigger one, also for more fluid. __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 05:01 PM	#18
bustanutley IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: CrAwLoRaDo Posts: 1,527	I run a tranny cooler out of a ford tempo, it is single row maybe 4"x8" ? __________________ FJ-40 on FO-DEEs just a lil guy HOMEGROWN

07-09-07, 07:15 PM	#19
numtel IH8MUD Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chico, CA TLCA# 14946 Posts: 400	Does anybody have extra trouble with knuckle studs when running hydro assist? Right now I just deal with not being able to turn with my saginaw ps. __________________ 99" FJ40 - Trailbusters 4x4 - Toyota Rocks TLCA Chapter - Bent & Twisted Forum

07-09-07, 08:44 PM	#20
bustanutley IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: CrAwLoRaDo Posts: 1,527	I tighten the knuckles every morning before I wheel, no problems as of yet. Ben is the only one in our crew that has sheared knuckle studs (arp) and he is running 44's, he is pretty sure the reason it happened is because after installing arps he neglected to tighten his knuckles regularly. __________________ FJ-40 on FO-DEEs just a lil guy HOMEGROWN

07-09-07, 10:33 PM	#21
yellowstoner IH8MUD Junior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Utah TLCA# 16946 Posts: 151	Cam, you have been busy. It's looking good. Did everything go smoothly tonight? I will plan on seeing you Wed. for more Saginaw fun. Dave __________________ '78 FJ40, 2F, 33x10.50 BFG's, PS, rear locker.

07-09-07, 11:27 PM	#22
1973Guppie IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,209	looks good cam, you need this guy to lean into those turns so you don't roll. Noah Attached Images __________________ Front disc brakes: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.p...+brake+dummies 1973 FJ40 - Finished! Vortec/NV4500/ARB's/SOA FJ40 ROTW: http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.p...uppie%27s+fj40 1970 FJ55 - Restoration Project in the works /2F/AC/PS FJ55 Restoration Thread: http://forum.ih8mud.com/40-55-series-tech/102079-guppies-fj55-build-thread.html

07-09-07, 11:40 PM	#23
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT Posts: 5,115	Cam, you have been busy. It's looking good. Did everything go smoothly tonight? I will plan on seeing you Wed. for more Saginaw fun. Dave i rest on the eigth day man, get r done wednesday work for me __________________ cc ------------- 76' fj40 camcrusier13 build threads the following are links, just click, go on try it Traction Bar Sliders Ram Assist Bumper Poison Spider Style Shackle Reversal Half Doors if your doing it im sure ive done it, need help just ask.......

07-09-07, 11:41 PM	#24
camcruiser13 IH8MUD Lifer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: in the garage after dark in UT