who here would weld their front bumper to the frame instead of making brackets for a custom bumper? my dad is telling me just to weld it to the frame instead of making time consuming brackets.
front bumper install
- Thread starter Trashcanman
- Start date
This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.
Mine is welded.
Think about it, when do you ever need to remove your bumper?
Plus if it is welded it will help slightly with frame stiffness
Mine is bolted with brackets right now, but when i redo it, i will weld it to the frame
Plus if it is welded it will help slightly with frame stiffness
Mine is bolted with brackets right now, but when i redo it, i will weld it to the frame
rusty_tlc
Dain Bramaged Member
You can buy OEM brackets.
Click for full size image.
I got mine from Cruiser solutions, as I recall about $40 for the pair.
Click for full size image.
I got mine from Cruiser solutions, as I recall about $40 for the pair.
Just weld it dont waste time or money with brackets.
rusty_tlc
Dain Bramaged Member
Removing the bumper may not be required for all these but it sure makes it easier;Toyoland66 said:
Shackel reversal
PS conversion
Suspension mods
New more bling bumper
mounting a winch
I kind of doubt that welding would make the frame stiffer than bolting.
I mean no offense to anyone, but speaking from experience of having a PO weld a bumper onto my FJ55, I was ready to flat out murder him and everyone in his family when it came time to replace that ugly piece of s***.
Do yourself a favor. Design some well made brackets and bolt the sucker on. The whole "weld it!" mentality can get a little out of hand, especially as your vehicle requirements change.
PS- I pulled my bumper all the time once I got it in place. Shoehorning a V8 in and out is much easier if there isn't any sort of obstruction in your way.
Do yourself a favor. Design some well made brackets and bolt the sucker on. The whole "weld it!" mentality can get a little out of hand, especially as your vehicle requirements change.
PS- I pulled my bumper all the time once I got it in place. Shoehorning a V8 in and out is much easier if there isn't any sort of obstruction in your way.
Nother vote for da bolt.
If you can make a bumper you can make brackets. I welded the nuts so they were captive, made taking it on and off easy. Welding on the bumper is just lazy. I had to cut off a previous owner's abortion because it was welded on.
If you can make a bumper you can make brackets. I welded the nuts so they were captive, made taking it on and off easy. Welding on the bumper is just lazy. I had to cut off a previous owner's abortion because it was welded on.
woody welded his, i'm welding mine.
LOLbandy rooster said:
Weld it if your doing it Right.. .
Dont do it at all if your not doing it right!
considering that My winch is mounted to the bumper... I trust welds much more than a few bolts. I do agree if you gonna half ass it bolt it, however if you are
making a STRONG quality type bumper there will be need to replace it ever.
And yes, a quality type bumper will stiffin up the twisting of the frame.
making a STRONG quality type bumper there will be need to replace it ever.
And yes, a quality type bumper will stiffin up the twisting of the frame.
Josie'sLandCruiser
Stop calling it a "FJ."
Hi All:
I'm with the "bolt it on" crowd.
"Rusty TLC" makes some good points.
Question for you "weld it in" guys; did you weld your roll cage in? I probably won't remove my roll cage, though maybe I'll want to change to a better design in the future.
Regards,
Alan
Seattle
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rusty_TLC wrote:
Removing the bumper may not be required for all these but it sure makes it easier;
Shackel reversal
PS conversion
Suspension mods
New more bling bumper
mounting a winch
I kind of doubt that welding would make the frame stiffer than bolting.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoland66
Think about it, when do you ever need to remove your bumper?
Plus if it is welded it will help slightly with frame stiffness
I'm with the "bolt it on" crowd.
"Rusty TLC" makes some good points.
Question for you "weld it in" guys; did you weld your roll cage in? I probably won't remove my roll cage, though maybe I'll want to change to a better design in the future.
Regards,
Alan
Seattle
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rusty_TLC wrote:
Removing the bumper may not be required for all these but it sure makes it easier;
Shackel reversal
PS conversion
Suspension mods
New more bling bumper
mounting a winch
I kind of doubt that welding would make the frame stiffer than bolting.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyoland66
Think about it, when do you ever need to remove your bumper?
Plus if it is welded it will help slightly with frame stiffness
Well I'd always prefer to have a bolt on of something so big on my rig i.e. sliders, rear bumper/tire carrier. Just welding stuff on seems kind of the cheap lazy way of doing it IMO.
Do it right and bolt it.
jk, both ways work fine I'm sure but I just prefer to bolt on.
Not the normal case but my bumper comes off and on so often that it has to be bolted. I test fit every one that I sell on my rig before it goes out the door.
Do it right and bolt it.
jk, both ways work fine I'm sure but I just prefer to bolt on.
Not the normal case but my bumper comes off and on so often that it has to be bolted. I test fit every one that I sell on my rig before it goes out the door.
DaveWest5150 said:
Right, because bolts are known to be so weak.
Obviously this argument could go both ways forever. Point is that they are both strong, just choose which way is right for your application and be done with it.
oh hawkdriver of course your going to have a bias you sell bolt on fj40 bumpers...lol
jk, i'm gonna weld mine i'm sure there some tech. jargin that someone knows about bolt vs welding...
jk, i'm gonna weld mine i'm sure there some tech. jargin that someone knows about bolt vs welding...
DaveWest5150 said:
Bolting it does not equal half-assed.
I used to install gooseneck hitches on domestics for a living. None of those were ever welded to the frame, and were all bolted to the frame. Each hitch was rated about 30,000lbs (well, the Diamonds were. I think the Cody's were a bit less at the time, not sure about the B&Ws.) All came with grade 5 hardware in various sizes.
We did have some returns because of manufacturer's defects. Balls and shanks would get bent, rust, etc, but we never had a hitch shift no matter how heavy or bearing the load was, and not one broken bolt either. Usually we'd replace the ball, problem solved.
And a STRONG quality type bumper does not mean that the bumper might not come off because of personal preference and change of vehicle use. You'd be limiting yourself to say that the bumper you have on the truck will be there for the whole time you own the vehicle. Either that or you like grinding.
Frame twist? You got other problems if you got frame twist.
go with bolts, if i welded mine on something would happen a wek later and id have to cut it off and then id be very pissed, build you some brackets that you like that can bolt up, not that hard.
ill even sell you my old stock brackets if you want them
OK.... first let me explain what I ment by "half ass",
If your gonna use a piece of junk for a bumper ie; thin wall or weak metal... go ahead and bolt it ... cause its gonna break anyways.
I did NOT say that because is bolted its half assed. and as for the referance to the bridge having bolts... well I just dont want 60 bolts holding on my bumper...true they can be very strong and in the case of the bridge they are simply cost effective. And yes Mine Yours and every other crusier has frame twist. it is built intp the frame... however "most" cruisers that I have seen have the torque tube cut out anyway. it wouldnt hurt to stiffen up the frame..even more if you have a shackle reversal front end.
just my 2 cents
by the way... those are rivets... not bolts, and they are way stronger than bolts.
If your gonna use a piece of junk for a bumper ie; thin wall or weak metal... go ahead and bolt it ... cause its gonna break anyways.
I did NOT say that because is bolted its half assed. and as for the referance to the bridge having bolts... well I just dont want 60 bolts holding on my bumper...true they can be very strong and in the case of the bridge they are simply cost effective. And yes Mine Yours and every other crusier has frame twist. it is built intp the frame... however "most" cruisers that I have seen have the torque tube cut out anyway. it wouldnt hurt to stiffen up the frame..even more if you have a shackle reversal front end.
just my 2 cents
by the way... those are rivets... not bolts, and they are way stronger than bolts.
