fj80 high steer anyone? (4 Viewers)

[Land Speeder]

is there anything you DO like about them?

If they become cheaper than any other hi-steer setup for 80's... I personally will like that. Others will like it for non-80's, but I have no interest in that.

 

[zukinut]

I personally like them. I like everything about them. But thats my personal opinion. I dont want to get in a pissing contest so im just gonna leave it at that.

Ill have a set under the zuk and thats what matters.

 

[ToyRoverlander]

I reckon it's a great idea, SO much easier to adjust!

And yes, when I tore apart the knuckles it had a .20 shim in it, but on reassambly with new bearings and everything I needed different shims on one side. I've done another axle that needed different shims too afterwards.

I'd love to be able to just turn a big nut to adjust it!

 

[landtank]

Billy, I thought it would be a simpler design, more cost effective and eliminate some setup if you basically followed Toyota's lead. And I do like knuckles.

ToyRoverlander, what bearings are you using and have you checked your preload after driving on them some. If you re shimmed because they were tight that might have worked itself out and become loose now.

 

[Land Speeder]

Billy, I thought it would be a simpler design, more cost effective and eliminate some setup if you basically followed Toyota's lead. And I do like knuckles.

Exactly what Rick said.
I like the knuckles. Especially for those that want to run the axle on other rigs who haven't had options.... you're opening that world up to folks, BIG TIME. Unless you're under a rock, If you're wheeling a mini-truck/1st gen 4runner then you've heard of these knuckles and trying to figure out how to get them and an 80 axle... So get them out and let's see them on the trucks!

 

[Mad4wd]

The tolerances between the knuckle and arm are not an issue in the machining aspect. What seems to crop up is the fact you can not control the bearing dimensions (new, used, garbage, etc) and or abuse the unit is going to take. We have done D60 arms like this many times and it is quick to adjust and readjust if necessary as parts wear. It is nice to have some limited ability to change it if necessary, I am pretty sure that what Billy is trying to say.
Larry

 

[billy138]

I reckon it's a great idea, SO much easier to adjust!

And yes, when I tore apart the knuckles it had a .20 shim in it, but on reassambly with new bearings and everything I needed different shims on one side. I've done another axle that needed different shims too afterwards.

I'd love to be able to just turn a big nut to adjust it!

thank you.

The tolerances between the knuckle and arm are not an issue in the machining aspect. What seems to crop up is the fact you can not control the bearing dimensions (new, used, garbage, etc) and or abuse the unit is going to take. We have done D60 arms like this many times and it is quick to adjust and readjust if necessary as parts wear. It is nice to have some limited ability to change it if necessary, I am pretty sure that what Billy is trying to say.
Larry

thanks larry.

to those who think that the adjustment screw is such a bad idea and a burden, what do you think about the wheel bearings you have to adjust when you put these knuckles on your rig? those wheel bearings will take at least 5x longer to set than the trunion bearings. toyota made wheel bearings and diff carrier bearings adjustable with screw type adjusters. i dont see why that's a bad idea. if you think that having to spend 5 seconds adjusting the bearing makes this a bad design, then i probably wont be able to make you happy no matter what. i'm sorry about that.


i'd like to be done talking about this so called "design flaw".

i was never trying to make the customer do what i didn't want to do (like landspeeder claimed) i simply wanted the customer to have the abilty of adjustment no matter what. when i assembled my first fj80 axle i ran into a problem. the axle was under my rig almost ready to go and when i assembled the knuckles i didn't have the right shims. i had to order the shims (which cost a lot more than the hardware i'm providing) and wait a week in a half just so i could adjust my bearings. if i had these adjusters at the time, my week in a half would be cut down to a few seconds.


if anybody else thinks this is such a bad design, please post up, i like to hear feedback even if it's bad.

thanks, -billy

 

[zukinut]

BTW,

For those coming to GSMTR this year. Barring the new motor in the zuk being trash, there will be a set of these under it. And I plan to abuse the living hell outta it.

 

[GETNHI]

Knuckles

Any updates on when they will be available Billy? And a definite price. I really need to be able to use TREs as it is a road registered sas'd Hilux with 80 series housings under it.
Regards Mick

 

[baxter650]

Hasn't detracted from my lusting after them in any way.
Remember the shims are also used to center the birf in the spindle, could be handy if these are retroed onto another axle.
Shims are easy to make but being adjustable is easier yet.

 

[landtank]

to those who think that the adjustment screw is such a bad idea and a burden, what do you think about the wheel bearings you have to adjust when you put these knuckles on your rig? those wheel bearings will take at least 5x longer to set than the trunion bearings. toyota made wheel bearings and diff carrier bearings adjustable with screw type adjusters. -billy

EXACTLY my point! The trunion preload has been a NO BRAINER! Take it apart and reassemble.

The wheel bearings have been a PITA compared to the trunions and you are now bringing that pain into your design.

You can call your design whatever you want but if I had a choice of a design that mimicked Toyota's or yours, it would be the other.

I assumed you wanted feedback when you posted here, sorry it's not to your liking.

 

[-Spike-]

I think you got your point across Rick. Now you just seem angry that the guy has put something out that you don't agree with. If you don't like them, don't buy them.

Personally, I like the idea of easily adjustable preload on the trunnion bearings. The fact that they weren't adjustable never made sense to me. Those bearings are a common failure point, perhaps because they run a bit loose. I could see failed trunnion bearings leading to premature wear of other parts as well. Sounds like a good idea, especially for axles doing extra duty offroad and with larger tires.

BTW, wheel bearings are stupid simple to adjust.

 

[billy138]

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The wheel bearings have been a PITA compared to the trunions and you are now bringing that pain into your design.

please explain how spending a few seconds is a pain. it's easy to get to, even when everything is assembled.

i dont know where the hate is coming from over here, maybe i'm just not popular enough.

if you feel that the adjustment screw is so terrible compared to a shim, you are by no means obligated to have to deal with this burden. not everyone is going to like this, i already knew that before starting this project. i'm sorry that i can't please you.

-billy

 

[Land Speeder]

i dont know where the hate is coming from over here, maybe i'm just not popular enough.
-billy

Please, don't laugh, This isn't hate. It's just that what the 80 has now works. So maybe we're the wrong crowd.
Again, it's awesome that 80's axles are going to be fit to be thrown under rigs that need hi-steer, but we already have it working. Sorry for not being too excited.

 

[clownmidget]

Eric & Rick - you two must be smoking the same pipe

Just pick up your friendly old Repair Manual and go to SA-18, Step No. 6 and explain how you happen to have all four of the shim thicknesses just sitting in your tool box and how after determining that you pre-load is not in spec, you'll just casually pull the steering arm off AGAIN - after having just installed it - and then knowingly grab the proper combo of the afore-mentioned shims, re-assemble, and then re-test the pre-load, yada, yada, yada....

Give me a break.

And this is all on most axles that have 150K+ miles. Most with horrible service. You're really going to get it "just right" on that pre-load setting with fresh grease that hasn't been completely displaced, on brand new bearings, by slapping in a 15-20 year old single shim? Or better yet, after a week of driving it'll be spot on? Or how about as the bearings wear and settle?

Having an adjustable bearing pre-load that doesn't require ANY dis-assembly to get it right is a big step forward in regards to the points brought up above. Discussing the shims as if there was a single shim, in a single thickness, and once placed it would perfectly pre-load the bearings every time you rebuilt that knuckle is ridiculous. If you want to make comparisons, then own up to the fact if you prefer shims you'll have to carry multiple thicknesses and be adept and determining what combination of them produces the correct pre-load within specs.

Give me the adjustable design Billy has in these.

 

[clownmidget]

t's just that what the 80 has now works. So maybe we're the wrong crowd.
Again, it's awesome that 80's axles are going to be fit to be thrown under rigs that need hi-steer, but we already have it working.

You don't need high-steer because your front end doesn't flex enough.

 

[calstyl2]

Billy, keep up the good work, your market is a little more hard core than Mud 80's tech, dont let them drag you down.
And the dimple dies rock..............FYI I will be in line for a set for an 80 axle conversion to a 55.

 

[calstyl2]

You don't need high-steer because your front end doesn't flex enough.

You're lusting for an 80 again, admit it

 

[Land Speeder]

You don't need high-steer because your front end doesn't flex enough.

Mines do. LOL. Maybe not the typical 80 though.
I'm not bitching about the shims, I'm not even bitching about the knuckles. Ill buy them one day, when they're cheaper.

 

[zukinut]

Clownmidget,I agree completely with everything you've said. Billy as I've said before I have the money ready. I'll buy the first set. Hagan I had no idea you were that cheap