fj80 high steer anyone?
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It does... the current kit (and i'm not bashing slees)
only includes one RHD arm and the high steer arms.
This is kunckles and arms
(can you reuse the stock TREs with this kit??)
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InstaH8R
uh... yes, you do.... Never seen a factory knuckknuck break... never heard of a factory 80 knuckle breaking. I like a factory part that works better. there are soooo many parts to this axle that need beefing up before the knuckle does.
I just lost a little wind in my sails given the price point versus what's already on the market. As well as when this thing started the point was to give more at a less price... I'm paraphrasing here...
We all ain't going to run King of the Hammers... we all ain't got that much to drop on a part that is already sound quality. Oh well.
Land Speeder
InstaH8R
lemme qoute myself here... I've seen billy's pic of a broken knuckle. I'm assuming this was due to full hydro? This is the new frontier of these axles, so i know things will break that we've never seen.
And for the record.... Not taking anything from these, I'm excited to see these beefy things come to market.... I love seeing things for 80 series trucks. i realize it's hard to create a new product especially if you're new to the industry.... so KUDOS!
Pricing is about what i figured for these parts, and i will be in for a pair for my 60 project.
Just to be able to run bigger 80 series brakes makes it appealing to me, later if the need should arise to be able to upgrade to 80 series sized birfs, i like options.
Just to be able to run bigger 80 series brakes makes it appealing to me, later if the need should arise to be able to upgrade to 80 series sized birfs, i like options.
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not the case actually. the investment cost is huge, but it has nothing to do with my price. my price is based off of what my hard cost will be. my mark-up will be less than most peoples, based on low overhead costs. i'm not about to start bashing other companies, but for comparison (since it was brought up) these would be the same price as the 6 shooter kits if only i were able to have them made for the same cost trail gear does. these are larger, much heavier, and are made right here in the good 'ol USA. every kit will be inspected before shipping, and they will have a warranty. i know that i could easily have these made in china to bring the cost down, but i wont. i hope you understand why. and FWIW, i hope i can have these available for $800 per kit, because that is what i would want to pay for something like this. so far every part of this adventure has cost more $$ and taken longer than i was quoted, therefor i am willing to absorb some of the extra cost to make these more affordable. i'm not out to make a fast buck and split, i'm out to build a reputation and continue to develop better parts for our rigs.
not the case actually. the investment cost is huge, but it has nothing to do with my price. my price is based off of what my hard cost will be. my mark-up will be less than most peoples, based on low overhead costs. i'm not about to start bashing other companies, but for comparison (since it was brought up) these would be the same price as the 6 shooter kits if only i were able to have them made for the same cost trail gear does. these are larger, much heavier, and are made right here in the good 'ol USA. every kit will be inspected before shipping, and they will have a warranty. i know that i could easily have these made in china to bring the cost down, but i wont. i hope you understand why. and FWIW, i hope i can have these available for $800 per kit, because that is what i would want to pay for something like this. so far every part of this adventure has cost more $$ and taken longer than i was quoted, therefor i am willing to absorb some of the extra cost to make these more affordable. i'm not out to make a fast buck and split, i'm out to build a reputation and continue to develop better parts for our rigs.
Sounds fishy!
With all this "outsourcing" to other "companies in the USA", I dont know if this sounds like good buisness???
Just kidding, I like the way you roll, and your outlook at buisness.
nothing for 80s are cheap, im not shocked they cost more
Interested; will these have the hole for the ABS ? I am guessing not.
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Interested; will these have the hole for the ABS ? I am guessing not.
for those who need the hole, absolutely. these are going to be sold as off-road only for obvious reasons. but let's just say you want to have abs for the trail, there will be an option for this.
Sorry, I'm not bitching, your price sounds very fair and completely cool. When I threw $550 out there it was my "dream" price, and has very little to do with reality.
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Sorry, I'm not *****ing, your price sounds very fair and completely cool. When I threw $550 out there it was my "dream" price, and has very little to do with reality.
no worries, i took no offense. and believe me, i would love to sell these for $500 if i had a way to make that happen. i used to think the slee arms were pricey for what they are, but i know that the only way to make them cheaper would involve huge batch sizes requiring thousands of people lined up ready to buy them. everything takes longer and costs more than expected, as i've been learning with this.
i wish you had these two weeks ago, i would have bought a set i got a rhd steering arm for 120$ 
people also need to realize that sometimes a bolt on solution really isn't the way to go.
Sure if you are spacing a bump stop why not. It's a simple change.
But when you get into suspension and steering components it's gets a little more involved and likely takes a little more than what a bolt solution can provide to account for all the different aspects of what you are changing.
Maybe that doesn't apply here, I don't know, but simple scabbed on solutions for a complex problem always leave me weary.
Sure if you are spacing a bump stop why not. It's a simple change.
But when you get into suspension and steering components it's gets a little more involved and likely takes a little more than what a bolt solution can provide to account for all the different aspects of what you are changing.
Maybe that doesn't apply here, I don't know, but simple scabbed on solutions for a complex problem always leave me weary.
For those who don't need the tie rod moved, maybe you could sell a half-kit that just replaces the passenger side knuckle and arm, and accepts the factory steering arm on the bottom, keeping the tie rod behind the axle housing.
That way a guy could have high-steer for the drag link for good steering behavior, at half the cost and installation labor. Wouldn't be any good for rock crawlers, but it might appeal to the "expedition" guys with smaller lifts.
That way a guy could have high-steer for the drag link for good steering behavior, at half the cost and installation labor. Wouldn't be any good for rock crawlers, but it might appeal to the "expedition" guys with smaller lifts.
steering behavior? i have a 7 inch lift and drives prefectly straight...it only wanders a tiny bit on the freeway becaue of the wide tires
If you relocated your panhard mounts so the panhard was a bit more horrizontal, your axle would stay a bit more centered with articulation (measure the distance each tire is protruding out of the fender well and see where your at),
but because of the difference between the angle of your panhard and draglink (if and when you do this), you could get more steering issues, such as bump steer.
Edit: Hey Billy, is there any reason why you didn't incorporate the steering arm into the knuckle itself? kinda like a D60 knuckle, and then you could re-use the steering caps on the top, and have an arm that cant shake loose? I know there are pro's and con's to this, but one of the pro's would be not needing a steering arm. Actually, any thoughts on putting the caliper brackets on both sides of the knuckle, voiding the need for Left and Right castings possibly?
Just curious.
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i thought about having the arm cast into the knuckle a while back, but since these will go on such a variety of rigs with different steering and suspension set-up, there is no room for adjustability or fine tuning. as far as caliper tabs on both sides, that would affect the guys running stock unmodified housings since the steering stop tabs are different lengths. yes, they could have both been long tabs and double drilled, but the hole between the knuckle and the furthest away bolt would make the tab weaker. i know, such a silly little thing, but i stayed awake in bed many nights thinking about this until i made the decision.
further set backs have moved the release date to sometime in late feb, or early march. to those interested in these, thanks for your patience. i'm doing everything i can to get these out.
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i'll have a set of these on my leaf sprung 83 pickup at KOH if any of you are going to be there and want to check them out. while i'm waiting on the first production run i'll be testing these.
