1HD-FTE electronically controlled multivalve turbo diesel, cruiser porn (1 Viewer)

[northernrighty]

well, i will take this one step further
it is the whole protectism of the big three which ties the hands of Toyota
plus
the fleet renewal plan that is slowly coming into effect.

i sent pics of the removable hardtop 79 series that was sitting on the docks in Japan waiting to head out. Brian contacted Toyota Canada for permission to bring these bad boys into Canada for the mines since it saves a lot of fab work when they can unbolt the hardtop and windshields instead of cutting them off
but
Toyota Canada said "no".

why? nobody knows. that was the short and sweet answer Brian got back.

Toyota is no longer caring about what the consumer wants, it will sell what it WANTS to sell and force the buying public to do so by not offering all the models that they produce. Toyota can make a diesel that will meet or exceed the demands of polution standards in North America
but
they won't.
why? could it be because Toyota North America doesn't want to? could it be because the market will be too small? could it be because of an agreement between the big 4?
who really knows.
in the end, we just don't get them.

Wayne,

People want powerfull, fuel efficient rigs. How many people that now own an 80 would not have wanted the 1hd-t te or fte? I am guessing not many! The demand excuse is just that AN EXCUSE! There are agreements that we as common folk will never be party to, but are not ignorant of! We can't loose site of common sense. If they were available in deisel they would have sold like hot cakes, I think THAT is the problem!

 

[capt bligh]

What is the benefit of an FTE over an FT for a swap into an 80 series. I know power is the biggest factor, but what about reliability, MPG's, instal complications?

 

[torfab]

The difference is small, but the ECU can better control boost, fuel, and monitor oil pressure, egt's, and boost to make the optimal mixture for the engine. In a 100 series, these engines had an inter-cooler and were producing more HP than an 80 series without.

 

[crushers]

the actual difference is an electronic controller, as with any E series Toyota diesel they can be a PITA.
when doing swaps keeping it as simple as can be is important, if you LIKE sensors and computers then go for it. that is the only real difference.

 

[eleblanc]

The difference is small, but the ECU can better control boost, fuel, and monitor oil pressure, egt's, and boost to make the optimal mixture for the engine. In a 100 series, these engines had an inter-cooler and were producing more HP than an 80 series without.

The difference is not that small, at least when you drive it. A week ago I went to see a guy with a RHD HDJ80, close to me. We went for a drive and he was in shock, he couldn't believe how quiet it was and with lots more power. In 6 month I have been driven mine, I have done close to 10,000 miles and during all that time only one person came up to me asking if it was diesel.

I'd say 95% of people would drive the truck and probably not realize it is a diesel right away. Obviously I'm running stock exhaust.

 

[crushers]

compare apples to apples, a tired HDT compared to a healthy HDT_FE is not a fair comparison.
a healthy HDT sounds like a gasser with a slight tick.
a poor HDT sounds like a healthy 3B

 

[Dgurley2000]

Did this engine ever sell?

 

[WarDamnEagle]

to assume rules were broken is a sign of ignorance, if someone has found a loop hole that is not a rule being broken, that is a sign of someone willing to look outside the box.

if you are nevous about living outside the box then don't do it, some people just have to live with a warm blanket around them. others want to experience life and are willing to try something different.

i do know how SOME of these newer RHD and LHD diesel vehicles are being registered in the states. it is not illegal but at the same time the ones that found the loop holes don't want everyone and their dog using the same loop hole thus forcing the government to close it.

they did their homework, they found the way to do it legally and it is up to those that are envious to do their OWN homework and find it out for themselves. there is no moral or legal law that you can call upon to ... manipulate ... these ones into revealing what they have done.

just because you do not understand HOW they did it does not automaticly make it illegal.

just sayin ... quit judging.

there is always risks and i don't wash my hands of the issue.
i ALWAYS warn if i see a risk but it is the peep that makes the final decision. i will not sneak a vehicle over the border for anyone, that is smuggling and i don't want something like that hanging over my head.
as you probably have read in some of my posts:
"NEVER invest money you can not afford to lose"
this applies to everything in life.

there are loop holes but those are legal.
then there is blatant illegal practices.

i have seen both in action.

yes, Tor is working towards a completely safe approach and that is admirable. it is when someone says something is "illegal" when it might not be since the person saying it (not pointing fingers at Tor with this statement) doesn't understand HOW it was done.

I am not a cop, i am not a judge so in reality i don't care what someone else does. i won't be the one with the charge against them.

I returned last year from 7 years in England. I drove a 2006 100 series diesel. There was no way to get that vehicle into the US legally. Of course I could have taken it down to parts and imported it and gotten it titled somewhere but at the Federal level it would have been illegal. It is equally illegal to bring that engine into the US and put it into a vehicle.

I have asked several times, "What are the loopholes?" and no one has been able to say. I'm a pretty smart guy and I did all the research and made all the phone calls. It can be done but it can't be done 100% legally.

I have one more question, since these things are all over the world (except the US) why are they not readily available through an importer? I can purchase JDM STI engines all day long straight from the mother land. I did a JDM STI swap on my RS back in 2003 while everyone else was screwing around with crappy USDM engines. Through my eyes a 1HD should be a dime a dozen engine. What am I missing?

what you are missing is the Land Cruiser sells as a complete unit for big bucks.
finding a parts rig is not an easy task.
plus
the 1HZ,1PZ,hdt and varriants are worth a small fortune when you do find one.

But none of them are legal in the US. They don't have a US EPA compliance sticker and they aren't 25 years old.

 

[Uncle Grumpy]

Spend $12k for a half cut from SOR and they'll tell you how to do it. They claim it's legal even in CA. I researched it and it's explicitly illegal. That doesn't mean people don't do it successfully, enforcement experiences vary. I'm the guy that would be popped and stuck with an expensive unsalable driveway ornament.

 

[torfab]

This thread took a turn for the worst

This engine is truly awesome, legal or not. There are states that don't care what engine you install as long as it passes the local smog law after installed. Kalifornia seems to be one state with the most chatter about laws, but even if they won't license it, that doesn't mean it can't be licensed in another state.

Let's focus this discussion on how badass this engine is in a Land Cruiser, and eventually I will include a build thread with this engine installed into an 80 or 100 series.

 

[Dgurley2000]

So is it still available?

 

[WarDamnEagle]

This thread took a turn for the worst

This engine is truly awesome, legal or not. There are states that don't care what engine you install as long as it passes the local smog law after installed. Kalifornia seems to be one state with the most chatter about laws, but even if they won't license it, that doesn't mean it can't be licensed in another state.

Let's focus this discussion on how badass this engine is in a Land Cruiser, and eventually I will include a build thread with this engine installed into an 80 or 100 series.

It's not state law that's the issue as proven by the people that have been able to get them registered (although I can't imagine that somewhere in every state's statutes it doesn't say that vehicles have to meet Federal requirements). It doesn't meet Federal law. I'd say the chances of it getting shredded and the owner fined are pretty low but that is the consequence of getting caught.

 

[torfab]

So is it still available?

Sorry Dgurley - it's still available. It's just sitting here looking pretty

 

[Impreza]

For those who want some documentation, here it is.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf

 

[Dgurley2000]

For those who want some documentation, here it is.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf

According to this, that documentation does apply here

Rick Perry: Smoggy with a chance of poison - YouTube