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The J-pipe and down pipe are where the real value in this kit are. These are custom pieces that cannot be purchased elsewhere and are definitely of better design and higher quality than the few alternatives out there (CX and Treadstone).

Having previously built my own turbo kit from scratch, with some success and some failure, this is a big part of why I bought the wits' end kit. It really is a superior product if you actually get it,

The turbo, wastegate and all the other bits and bobs can be cobbled together on your own with some patience.

:edit: just read about that HD Automotive kit for the first time. That might be a viable alternative for a similarly designed J-pipe and at least the beginnings of a downpipe.
Expensive J-pipe when you don’t receive your order!

Personally I would fabricate my own.

I’ve built turbo manifolds before for B series diesels in Cruisers. Several 100,000km’s later it’s still going strong.

I use schedule 80 weld-els.
 
Found my way over here in a similar boat as all of you. Took over somebody's spot in June of 2022. Not a word of communication since. Been reaching out politely the past several weeks just looking for an update. I was fine waiting, but now I suspect it will never come.
 
Lack of cashflow is the #1 killer of small businesses. There's a huge drive to GROW! GROW! GROW! and there's kind of an owner/entrepreneur assumption that you can overcome most obstacles just like you have before.

Cashflow becomes a problem when you underestimate the burden of maintaining an inventory you've done nothing but grow for years and years.

Basically, you need a pot of liquid cash proportional to the size of your inventory to cover the dips in sales, mistakes, miscalculations and general Murphy has you square in his sights moments. Especially when you get a ton of products it's really easy to miscalculate how much to invest in each one on the shelves. You're really just guessing. Sometimes you win, sometimes you miss the mark and you have $20k in parts that you end up scrapping years later. If you're renting the building your business is in you need enough cash on hand to cover the down on the new place, moving all the equipment and 2 months of lost income.

If you don't have that cash on hand you have a house of cards.

If you try to correct the trajectory of an underdelivered promise by taking on another undeliverable promise I guarantee your business will stay the same coarse until you hit bedrock or you stop the cycle.

The only way to stop the cycle is to stop telling customers what they want to hear. Put your ego away. Pencil out a real business plan with a realistic timeline to get back on track- Without the robbing Peter to pay Paul BS. Call your customers and start explaining.
 
Lack of cashflow is the #1 killer of small businesses. There's a huge drive to GROW! GROW! GROW! and there's kind of an owner/entrepreneur assumption that you can overcome most obstacles just like you have before.

Cashflow becomes a problem when you underestimate the burden of maintaining an inventory you've done nothing but grow for years and years.

Basically, you need a pot of liquid cash proportional to the size of your inventory to cover the dips in sales, mistakes, miscalculations and general Murphy has you square in his sights moments. Especially when you get a ton of products it's really easy to miscalculate how much to invest in each one on the shelves. You're really just guessing. Sometimes you win, sometimes you miss the mark and you have $20k in parts that you end up scrapping years later. If you're renting the building your business is in you need enough cash on hand to cover the down on the new place, moving all the equipment and 2 months of lost income.

If you don't have that cash on hand you have a house of cards.

If you try to correct the trajectory of an underdelivered promise by taking on another undeliverable promise I guarantee your business will stay the same coarse until you hit bedrock or you stop the cycle.

The only way to stop the cycle is to stop telling customers what they want to hear. Put your ego away. Pencil out a real business plan with a realistic timeline to get back on track- Without the robbing Peter to pay Paul BS. Call your customers and start explaining.
I think you hit the nail
On the head. If I remember correctly he has moved business several times?
 
This is what I found and it wasn't easy to locate. I think that is intentional on his part

Saw this change too. A few days ago I spotted @Hoorejo's review on there and now the public display of those reviews is not on the search results page any longer. Can't say for sure wit's end had a hand in it but it definitely changed since Tuesday.

Does anyone have his number? can we just try giving him a call.
Wits End
4445 Table Rock Rd
Central Point, OR 97502

@NLXTACY
joey.romero@gmail.com
joey@absolute-wits-end.com
213-304-9901

I've tried it all aside from showing up

Found my way over here in a similar boat as all of you. Took over somebody's spot in June of 2022. Not a word of communication since. Been reaching out politely the past several weeks just looking for an update. I was fine waiting, but now I suspect it will never come.

Just up the road from you in Boulder
 
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Taking all the cash up front is sure disaster.
To ease to spend it tell your up side down.
When Joey moved to Oregon there was already issues and I saw this Coming. 🤷‍♂️
There Witt’s ends stuff all over my Rig but when I got my Land tank caster correction plates from him. Wayback when he still answered the phone.
There was no instructions, and I just called to ask what size holes to drill. He was all put out over it.
That’s when I knew there was no customer service at Witt’s End 🤷‍♂️
I feel bad for the people that believed in him and are now hanging out in the wind.😳
 
No dog in this fight, always got the half dozen or so orders from WitsEnd be it the customer ordering or us.


However on @Broski point, six months ago a painter took us for $8k. He took money up front knowing he was spiraling down the drain hole. Within two months he was kicked out of his shop and now has filed bankruptcy. He screwed over a dozen other people too.

We take deposits because the parts cost $1,000-20k. Don’t want to be out of pocket if something happens with a customer. Once we receive the deposit we spend the money on the parts. That simple but we don’t do retail.

Cheers
 
I’m old school @SNLC IMHO that’s how business is done, you take a deposit to cover the costs.
If the customer falls through they lose their deposit.
Or if you service orientated business like the construction small business I ran for 30 years you’re not out for parts.
I never liked taking large up front moneys
as I never wanted to be over obligated.
 
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Yeah...
I've blasted him on every possible platform and called him out publicly in every Wits End post or thread I see, and not a peep...
He refuses to acknowledge the problem.
That's the infuriating part.
 
I did receive my order. I believe I was the first one.
I’ve posted numerous times about his intention to get this SMOG legal, but I’ve really got no explanation after the test rig car crash debacle. That was years ago!!
 
I think a good alternative to a turbo would be a stroker crank if the dyno numbers I see are accurate. Than perhaps bump up the fuel pressure to compensate for the larger displacement. Probably could get it through smog without notice.
You'd need a pretty radical camshaft to facilitate a similar power gain, turbo would be much more usable power.
I'd expect about 80kw at the wheels for a stock FZJ80, which is about 108 hp. You'll comfortably double that with mild boost and a good tune, whilst having a good usable powerband.
 
Money talks. Get a total of all kits still outstanding. Get a total dollar figure for all said kits. Google attorneys that work in business collections/liens etc in the metro the business is located. Give the attorney the receipts and dates of transactions with as much record as able for everyone that has failed to have their order executed. Give the record of the individual attempting to continue to collect money for more kits, all recent instances. Propose to split $$$ collected 50:50 with above attorney. You as a whole have a large amount of funds to collect and could be attractive to many competent attorneys. Do not use one of those big firms where they have a bunch of staff attorneys that just throw stuff at a wall.

BBB and other complaint avenues have very little leverage to do much of anything at all in this scenario. If the individual has assets then there is some fat to collect.

Even if they let their business tank, a judge could potentially pierce the veil and let the individual be personally liable, if you effectively demonstrate the individual behaved in such a manner as stated above. If someone stiffed me out of 6k I would personally spend twice that just to ruin their day….and I have.

I am not at attorney, financial advisor, or qualified to give legal or financial advise. This is just my unsolicited 2 cents from a medium sized business owner who has watched this play out on the forum for awhile.
 
Count me in. Bought a spot January 2022. After the payment a thank you and that was it. I asked for an update Last January 2023, HE replied that shipping updates on Mud.. so that's why I'm here.
 
So far we have...

ChargedTaco2/20208/2022 (missing wategate, not rec'd)
Lazy8/2020
PDXDave672/2021

I believe people's cooperation in putting this together, even if you have received yours, is helpful to the community.

Just respond and I'll add you to the table.
Please put me on the List. place order on 1/2022
 
You'd need a pretty radical camshaft to facilitate a similar power gain, turbo would be much more usable power.
I'd expect about 80kw at the wheels for a stock FZJ80, which is about 108 hp. You'll comfortably double that with mild boost and a good tune, whilst having a good usable powerband.
To get a accurate comparison you would need to compare a 1fz turbo dyno graph vs a 1fz stroker dyno graph. Personally I'm not too interested in peak numbers but rather more average numbers throughout the rpm range and you get power when it's most useful. Staying naturally aspirated may also be desirable to some due to its simplicity I would think.
 
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