That is because KO2s are proven on all terrains and literally tough as nails. And they are quiet too for such an aggressive tread.
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Toyo OpenCountry AT3 Experience? (1 Viewer)
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What size you going to?
285/70–18
I don’t see that size on their site? Are you changing tires altogether? I recall you said they’re noisy.
Yes. Going to Ridge Grapplers.
I just wanted less rotating mass to hopefully not impact mileage as much. Like I said, I really like the Wildpeaks.
I get a lot of road noise from mine and my mpg has suffered. I can hear the road noise even when the radio volume level is around 27. I’m running 285/75/17. Let me know what you think of them. I am already hunting for a quieter tire.
@Itsky I should have stated that I can hear them when I’m traveling above 60+mph when the radio is up. Around town they are pretty quiet.
The Ridge Grapplers are not quiet but they are a low rumble versus the higher pitch the AT3 had.
Pitch would be annoying. Yeah, I get more of a heavy friction sound. Similar to someone turning up the White noise on a sleep machine.
I'm my experience the Falken AT3W's are extremely quiet. The noise they produce is definitely as you describe, white noise machine type sound not high pitch. That said my TJM snorkel and Prinsu rack both made more noise than the tires. Not saying either of those were loud, just that the tires were very quiet. I was running a relatively skinny tire though, 275/65R20 (34" x 11"), wider tires are going to have a little more rubber slapping the pavement and marginally increase noise.
Great road manners, even at triple digit speeds they tracked perfectly, no wandering, sharp turn in, great in the wet and snow. I have Nitto TerraGrappler G2 that came on my current 2013 LX and they are awful in every regard, especially their high speed performance and wet grip is shockingly bad.
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I find the AT3's to be a very quiet tire. They are on par with the KO2's that are on one of my other vehicles. Do they make more noise than the stock street tires, of course. But, I find it to be so minimal and only noticeable if I focus on listening for it. Even with full bumper, raised intake, Prinsu rack with cutout spoiler, the LC is an extremely quiet vehicle.
Agreed. The only time I noticed it was immediately after I put them on and drove on the highway. I don't even notice anymore. I know some are more sensitive to noises than others, though.
I’ve had my 315 AT3s on my 80 for a year/10k miles now. Truck is aligned well enough and mainly daily driven on pavement, tons of rain (southeast AK) and winter daily driven to the mountains often in harsh winter conditions. Out of about 16/32 measured when new, I’m at 15/32 all around, with even wear, etc.
Comfortable on road, haven’t noticed noise except for newly laid pavement in the rain at hwy speed once in a while, but that’s if I listen, meaning they aren’t loud to me. They’ve been perfect in those winter conditions, which mostly include sea level wet/ice/slush, some deep snow up the mountain, etc. A few other reviews (mainly one I found here) didn’t think much of them in winter, but I’m not getting that at all
could be a difference of environment, as we are in the sloppy wet realm, while others could be in the dry/cold/rockies.
I had been looking between them and the cooper AT3 XLT, grabber ATX, and falken AT3W. Came close to falkens, but they had reportedly recently changed the compound, which left test results lacking in “weather” compared to before, but who knows.
Comfortable on road, haven’t noticed noise except for newly laid pavement in the rain at hwy speed once in a while, but that’s if I listen, meaning they aren’t loud to me. They’ve been perfect in those winter conditions, which mostly include sea level wet/ice/slush, some deep snow up the mountain, etc. A few other reviews (mainly one I found here) didn’t think much of them in winter, but I’m not getting that at all
could be a difference of environment, as we are in the sloppy wet realm, while others could be in the dry/cold/rockies.I had been looking between them and the cooper AT3 XLT, grabber ATX, and falken AT3W. Came close to falkens, but they had reportedly recently changed the compound, which left test results lacking in “weather” compared to before, but who knows.
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EDIT 10/11/201 - I took all four wheels off this past week to inspect my brakes and after I remounted all four wheels I have ZERO steering wheel shake and I regained that dead stable highway feel I loved in the Falkens. Guessing the tire shop threw the wheels back on with the impact gun and probably did not get one or more of the wheels perfectly seated resulting in the wheel shake and ever so slightly "jittery" feeling I was having on the freeway. They still wander just a touch so I would still give the nod to the Falkens for road manners but I am now totally happy with the on road performance of the Open County AT III.
Following this up with my experience on the Toyo Open Country AT3's compared to the Falken AT3W. So far, and this probably won't be a popular opinion, but I think the Falkens are a superior tire (At least for those who daily drive their rigs).
Keep in mind I am comparing a 34x11R20 Falken to a 35x11.50R20 Toyo so this isn't apples to apples. The road manners of the Falken are in my opinion absolutely beyond reproach for an aggressive All Terrain. Quiet through their entire tread life, track absolutely true and dead stable on the freeway. 100Mph with the Falkens was a snore fest. They just got it done, it was 1 finger driving on a straight stretch. They also balanced out with shockingly little weight and stayed true over 60k miles for me with only a single rotation around 40k.
The Toyo's are certainly not bad, but I find they do wander ever so slightly on the interstate. They aren't nearly as bad as some (Looking at you Goodyear Duratrac) but the Falkens felt so stable I could set the cruise control, crawl in the back for a nap and cross half of UT with no steering input. The Toyo's I find I am having to adjust a bit with regularity. Just to reiterate they are not bad, at all, just that the Falkens set an incredibly high bar for highway manners. The Toyos also balanced out with very little weight and passed Road Force but the steering wheel does shake just the tiniest bit above 70MPH. It's not enough that I even notice it unless I am looking at the steering wheel, but the wheel was dead still with the Falkens.
One thing I noticed right away, as I had both the Falkens and Toyos in my possession for a few weeks before they got mounted - The sidewalls on the Toyo are very soft and pliable. I can compress them with my hands. They are softer than most of my dirtbike tires. The Falkens were much more inline with the BFG AT's. Tough as hell and could barely compress them with my hands. I definitely noticed this offroad. I would run my Falkens at 36psi on the street and had to get them down to about 22psi to get the ride I wanted off road. I also run the Toyo's at 36psi on the street and honestly they feel about the same around town. The big difference was offroad. I only had to drop to about 30psi to get similar ride comfort as the Falkens at 22psi. Now I do have more sidewall with the 35's so that is certainly playing a part but my gut is that the Toyo's are just a softer tire all around. Hopefully this represents advances in materials and design and not a wimpy sidewall. Time will tell I suppose.
The biggest factor for me is snow performance which I have extensive experience with on the Falkens and zero on the Toyos. The Falkens were as solid winter tire, significantly better than the BFG KO2 but not as good as the Goodyear Duratrac in the snow (The Duratrac is, in my opinion, kind of a crap tire in virtually all other regards though, snow great all others thing mediocre) If the Toyos prove to kick some ass in the snow I will be pleased and an advocate of this tire. If they are lacking compared to the Falkens I'll be feeling some buyers remorse.
just my 2c
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Great to hear your impressions which mirrors my thoughts having made the same transition. The Falkens were GREAT aggressive tires that went to finishing school, with manners easily on par with Toyos. I expect the Toyos to behave as they are a milder tire in tread aggressiveness and depth. Yes, a bit of remorse coming from the Falkens, they were that good.
Curious as I did have a hard time separating what changed due to tire model, tire size, and tire type. I was previously on Falken LT 305/55R20s, to floatation Toyo 35x12.5R20s. IIRC, you made the same Light Truck (LT) to Floatation type? Part of your sidewall impressions could be due to the different construction between the two types. LTs are definitely more about load support, possibly with stiffer sidewalls. Floatation tend to have more pliable sidewalls, and should hopefully be no less durable. Possibly more as they usually come with the most aggressive tread and features. Interesting as the Falken LTs had larger and more prominent lugs all around including the side lugs, than the Floatation Toyo. Falkens sure give you more.
One thing I noticed recently off-roading an off-shoot in Joshua Tree mines, with tons of sharp rock and unforgiving granite. I was expecting more chipping in the Toyo tread after finishing. Little to none. Whereas the Falkens do seem to chip a bit more in this type of wheeling. I feel like Falkens having more tread depth and rubber, may use incrementally software compound? Just speculation as there's tons more to rubber formulation.
the story of our lives, dude...! LOL
LOL i just went through this. My takeaway now is life is too short not to lift your LC.
We have had our 200 series since December 2017, so I do not know what it will be like to have a suspension upgrade and larger tires. I do know that the ride is not firm, and I think it will be more to my taste once I do the upgrade.
We also have the traditional Michelin ATX defender tires on here, so I’m sure going with a heavier built tire will change the dynamics as well
We also have the traditional Michelin ATX defender tires on here, so I’m sure going with a heavier built tire will change the dynamics as well
If i were in an LC and not an LX i would lift and upgrade shocks then address wheels and tires after that.
In my mind, lift and upgraded shocks are both non negotiables LOL.
Of course depends on use but thats another story.
