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to make sure i'm clear, you want to gain movement forward?

you should be able to weld 3" of tube to the rear rails, move the mounts accordingly and done, you will loose 3" on the back end.

if you want to add 3" of total movement, the only real way i can see is to get a second set of sliders and do some carefull cut/weld action
 
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This is my heated seat solution...

Looks workable to me, and less-expensive than the remedial-level s*** that I'm doing; I'd say you're well-qualified to render answers and opinions.

Based on your attention to detail in this thread obsessive-compulsive tendencies...

Fixed it for you.

...I'll bet you go with the first option. I'm definitely qualified to place bets.

I'm definitely not taking that bet. 🤣

to make sure i'm clear, you want to gain movement forward?

Correct. Basically, I need to shove the seat all the way to the dash.

you should be able to weld 3" of tube to the rear rails, move the mounts accordingly and done, you will loose 3" on the back end.

I'm not quite following that, but it's probably because I'm tired...but what I'm getting is that you're suggesting a method to shift the stock travel location forward instead of adding to the overall travel amount. Is that correct?

if you want to add 3" of total movement, the only real way i can see is to get a second set of sliders and do some carefull cut/weld action

Basically, yes; I would prefer to add travel. I can make a bracket that will make the Corbeau slider work, but...yeah, I'm not taking @Guyute 's bet. 🤣
 
I'm not quite following that, but it's probably because I'm tired...but what I'm getting is that you're suggesting a method to shift the stock travel location forward instead of adding to the overall travel amount. Is that correct?
right, you wouldnt ADD to the length of travel, you'd just move that travel where you want the seat.
 
right, you wouldnt ADD to the length of travel, you'd just move that travel where you want the seat.

In that case, I'm following.

Honestly, the travel-shift method would work really well if I could stand to lose the legroom on that side, but moving the seat forward that much is going to make it unusable by anyone that's taller than 5'3" or so...and I know that because the two people that ride in that seat most often are 5'2" and 5'4" - that's somewhere around 160 Metric Oppression Units, according to Google - and both of those people slide it all the way back in order to get ample room in the footwells. I'm approximately 1.8793e-16 light years tall - that's somewhere around 70 Inches-Made-Great-Again, according to Google - and I'm okay in it, but I also slide it all the way to the rear. If it moves permanently forward I don't know that I'd want to be in it for long.

Thus, I'm back to the Xzibit Solution - slider on a slider - which is workable, expensive, and getting progressively more difficult. This morning, I got an e-mail from Amayama: the slider that they said had in stock and verified the existence thereof before payment is now suddenly out of production and not available...so the main piece of that order is no longer being sent.

But wait: there's less...

The remainder of my order - which weighs a whopping 0.51 kilograms - had the shipping rate bumped from S32 to $75 in order to accommodate the weight of the now-unavailable slider, but none of that shipping charge is being refunded. So...I'm cancelling that order entirely, which means that now I'm shopping elsewhere for the slider. Supposedly Megazip has them, so we'll see what they come up with...but I'm not expecting a positive result. I don't absolutely need that new slider because the existing one does, in fact, move and slide...but the forward portion of the actual slider inside the housing is missing, so it's extremely loose and noisy.

Hopefully Megazip will come through for me; I'd like to just replace that entire slider with a fresh one...but I'm not expecting positive results. If that eventuality holds true to expectation, I'll be looking for a used one or trying to find some spare parts to help with rebuilding this one.
 
In that case, I'm following.

Honestly, the travel-shift method would work really well if I could stand to lose the legroom on that side, but moving the seat forward that much is going to make it unusable by anyone that's taller than 5'3" or so...and I know that because the two people that ride in that seat most often are 5'2" and 5'4" - that's somewhere around 160 Metric Oppression Units, according to Google - and both of those people slide it all the way back in order to get ample room in the footwells. I'm approximately 1.8793e-16 light years tall - that's somewhere around 70 Inches-Made-Great-Again, according to Google - and I'm okay in it, but I also slide it all the way to the rear. If it moves permanently forward I don't know that I'd want to be in it for long.

Thus, I'm back to the Xzibit Solution - slider on a slider - which is workable, expensive, and getting progressively more difficult. This morning, I got an e-mail from Amayama: the slider that they said had in stock and verified the existence thereof before payment is now suddenly out of production and not available...so the main piece of that order is no longer being sent.

But wait: there's less...

The remainder of my order - which weighs a whopping 0.51 kilograms - had the shipping rate bumped from S32 to $75 in order to accommodate the weight of the now-unavailable slider, but none of that shipping charge is being refunded. So...I'm cancelling that order entirely, which means that now I'm shopping elsewhere for the slider. Supposedly Megazip has them, so we'll see what they come up with...but I'm not expecting a positive result. I don't absolutely need that new slider because the existing one does, in fact, move and slide...but the forward portion of the actual slider inside the housing is missing, so it's extremely loose and noisy.

Hopefully Megazip will come through for me; I'd like to just replace that entire slider with a fresh one...but I'm not expecting positive results. If that eventuality holds true to expectation, I'll be looking for a used one or trying to find some spare parts to help with rebuilding this one.
Call Tor or Nick at TorFab in Everett. Tor has some tasty parts stowed away and he's close enough to you that driving to pick up would make sense.
 
In that case, I'm following.

Honestly, the travel-shift method would work really well if I could stand to lose the legroom on that side, but moving the seat forward that much is going to make it unusable by anyone that's taller than 5'3" or so...
exactly,, its not a good option, and really who would want to loose 3" off the back when mullets are making a comeback.

there is always this less expensive option :p
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exactly,, its not a good option, and really who would want to loose 3" off the back when mullets are making a comeback.

And that very same comeback is strong evidence for the absence of any benevolent deity, anywhere in the cosmos... because a nice god wouldn't allow it.

there is always this less expensive option :p

Gotta protect that low back, man; if you think OEM seat sliders are hard to find, wait until you have to get OEM spinal parts. That's a whole new level of "not available/discontinued."

In other news: I haven't gotten a response from Amayama on the cancellation, yet, or a confirmation from Megazip that they have the slider...so we'll see what happens. I like the idea of calling Torfab; they've been a good info source for me in the past...and even if they don't have the slider, they might have part of one that they can pull pieces from. That's just as good as a new one, in my case; I'm pretty sure I know how to get them apart for servicing...but installation is definitely not the reverse of removal, in this case. I think the slider is assembled and the detents/keepers are pressed-in afterwards; to get them back apart, the detent has to be drilled and removed entirely. It should slide apart, then. Should.
 
Gotta protect that low back, man; if you think OEM seat sliders are hard to find, wait until you have to get OEM spinal parts. That's a whole new level of "not available/discontinued."

In other news: I haven't gotten a response from Amayama on the cancellation, yet, or a confirmation from Megazip that they have the slider...so we'll see what happens.
too late for me on the back, i was a slow learner

if Tor isnt an option for something i wonder if a longer slider is available just from another source, another car, something else. all you really need is a longer slider rail, you can attatch it to any seat and attach your mounts to it easy enough.
 
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if Tor isnt an option for something i wonder if a longer slider is available just from another source, another car, something else. all you really need is a longer slider rail, you can attatch it to any seat and attach your mounts to it easy enough.

Well, it's two separate pieces and two separate problems, effectively: 1) the stock slider needs repair or replacement, and B) the secondary slider needs to be longer than the Corbeau model when installed on the passenger side. Problem B is actually the easier one to fix; you're quite right that I can search around for something longer - and that could come from anywhere, really, as long as it fits and works as I need it to - or I can just cut my losses and make what I need. Lengthening the Corbeau parts isn't that difficult... it's just thin, fiddly sheetmetal that I'll have to spend time welding-to and refinishing. Problem 1, however... that's not a fun one: I'm vaguely tempted to take my stock unit apart and see if I can figure out a way to replace/rebuild the internal sliding bits that are missing, but that's a bold move with no replacement parts known. Ironically, I need to have another one in hand before I futz around with this one and try to fix it. 🙄
 
I how similar (direct bolt in?) the seat base and slider assembly is for a newer 70-series. Something from a post-facelift 76/78/79 might fit and would likely be readily available.
 
...and the saga continues with:

Today's Math Lesson

Conventional mathematical knowledge relies upon many, many, many rules...and our best efforts have determined that 1) all of these rules are extremely boring, and 2) all of these rules are extremely necessary. Chief among them are the most basic tenets, such as "dividing by zero is, like, really hard" and "any given and unique number cannot, in and of itself, inherently equal another unique value"...which is how we not only avoid breaking the Universe, but also prevent easy mistakes. So: 5 ÷ 0 just isn't a thing for those of us with an IQ of less than 904, and 5 = 2 is patently and obviously wrong to those of us that have working fingers and/or toes to use as proof of concept.

I mention these axioms because I was amazed to learn that the accounting wizards at FrontRunner have somehow found a way around that second rule. In specific:

Conventional Math: 262 = 262
FrontRunner Math: 262 = 138

Those - in case it isn't obvious - are dollar amounts; they were supposed to return $262 plus some tax to me, for my having returned the way-too-short cargo rack legs. Instead, I got $138 and a few pennies; roughly 50%, with no explanation as to why there was such a reduction in the amount owed. I immediately got online and did a chat with them, but there was no immediate resolution; the rep just said they were going to have to do some digging, and "I'll get with the accounting department to see if I can get a price corrected for you." I do sincerely appreciate that effort, but "if" doesn't sound promising; the rep said they would get back in touch with me on Monday, so I'm giving them today and that day to fix it. If it's not handled by Tuesday morning...well, I have no idea what to do at that point, but I'm not going to let $130 go just because they made an error. At least, I hope it's an error, and not intentional. Le sigh.

In positive news, the materials I need to fix my own errors are on the way; they might be here today - along with the 195mm rack legs, ironically - but I don't have accurate tracking on them. So...The Great Slider Extension Project might not happen this weekend, as was intended....and that will be okay because I haven't set up a cut-and-weld space in the garage, yet.

FYI: I'm one of those people who needs all the help they can get with welding. I know there are some very talented hominids out there that can just line up two pieces of metal and stick them together perfectly with no assistance whatsoever, but if I don't have a set of clamps and a table holding everything in place with a force roughly equivalent to Jupiter's gravity, there's a 100% chance that said everything will get welded together while misaligned...and we honestly cannot have that with a set of seat sliders. Like, for seriously: if they bend or warp, they bind...and then they don't do the thing that they're intended to do.

So...I guess it's back to the garage to generate a welding space, and maybe run a few small beads on some scrap sheet to get back in practice for doing thin stuff.

Stay tuned.
 
...and the saga continues with:

Today's Math Lesson

Conventional mathematical knowledge relies upon many, many, many rules...and our best efforts have determined that 1) all of these rules are extremely boring, and 2) all of these rules are extremely necessary. Chief among them are the most basic tenets, such as "dividing by zero is, like, really hard" and "any given and unique number cannot, in and of itself, inherently equal another unique value"...which is how we not only avoid breaking the Universe, but also prevent easy mistakes. So: 5 ÷ 0 just isn't a thing for those of us with an IQ of less than 904, and 5 = 2 is patently and obviously wrong to those of us that have working fingers and/or toes to use as proof of concept.

I mention these axioms because I was amazed to learn that the accounting wizards at FrontRunner have somehow found a way around that second rule. In specific:

Conventional Math: 262 = 262
FrontRunner Math: 262 = 138

Those - in case it isn't obvious - are dollar amounts; they were supposed to return $262 plus some tax to me, for my having returned the way-too-short cargo rack legs. Instead, I got $138 and a few pennies; roughly 50%, with no explanation as to why there was such a reduction in the amount owed. I immediately got online and did a chat with them, but there was no immediate resolution; the rep just said they were going to have to do some digging, and "I'll get with the accounting department to see if I can get a price corrected for you." I do sincerely appreciate that effort, but "if" doesn't sound promising; the rep said they would get back in touch with me on Monday, so I'm giving them today and that day to fix it. If it's not handled by Tuesday morning...well, I have no idea what to do at that point, but I'm not going to let $130 go just because they made an error. At least, I hope it's an error, and not intentional. Le sigh.

In positive news, the materials I need to fix my own errors are on the way; they might be here today - along with the 195mm rack legs, ironically - but I don't have accurate tracking on them. So...The Great Slider Extension Project might not happen this weekend, as was intended....and that will be okay because I haven't set up a cut-and-weld space in the garage, yet.

FYI: I'm one of those people who needs all the help they can get with welding. I know there are some very talented hominids out there that can just line up two pieces of metal and stick them together perfectly with no assistance whatsoever, but if I don't have a set of clamps and a table holding everything in place with a force roughly equivalent to Jupiter's gravity, there's a 100% chance that said everything will get welded together while misaligned...and we honestly cannot have that with a set of seat sliders. Like, for seriously: if they bend or warp, they bind...and then they don't do the thing that they're intended to do.

So...I guess it's back to the garage to generate a welding space, and maybe run a few small beads on some scrap sheet to get back in practice for doing thin stuff.

Stay tuned.
I appreciate your humor while dealing with frustrating vendors.

My daily exchange for my time and effort Mon-Fri involves me working in the computer science field, and to divide by ZERO in code initiates a system wide crash. In order to do my job, I need to be good at math and logic. I will note that neither of these finely honed skills helps me much when communicating with my spouse, which requires a separate side of the brain.

I sure hope the return amount is not indicative of a severe restocking charge, and simply an accounting program that made an error (or a human one). I hope you are able to get to a reasonable and fair resolution! :cheers:
 
I sure hope the return amount is not indicative of a severe restocking charge, and simply an accounting program that made an error (or a human one). I hope you are able to get to a reasonable and fair resolution!

Well, the short version of the resolution is "they mostly fixed it." They gave me an additional $116 back; there was no real explanation as to the cost discrepancy between the previously-stated amount and the total that was returned, but they did provide a line-item receipt showing what they charged me and how it was refunded. Part of the problem is that the legs were included in the kit cost; that being the case, they weren't valued at full retail...so literally all of this repurchase/return/refund exercise has been somewhat improvised and nebulous. I would have liked to have seen the refund amount that they originally quoted, but I m not going to argue fifteen or twenty dollars at this point.

So, that being sorted: I now need to get outside, clean the rig and get the rack fitted...and hopefully by the time I do that, I'll have the rest of my wiring bits in-hand, and I can get started on the heater harnesses. I'd also like to finish out the sliders; once that seat is finalized I can start working on a sleeping solution...and that means I'll finally be able to take her out for a few overnights to test the designs and get her ready for a somewhat-longer trip. 👍
 
tl;dr - drove from North Carolina to Florida to look at a 73-series, bought it, drove it back to NC the next day, sold my house, left my job, threw a few parts into the drivetrain, put my dog in the back and drove 5,000km across the Lower 48 in the middle of winter to a new life in the Pacific Northwest.

Pictured: Totally not kidding about that, by the way.


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...and that pretty much covers the last year of my life, which means that you're all caught up and everyone can officially stop reading. Should anyone choose to continue, be forewarned: the remainder of this so-called "build thread" will probably be comprised of little more than my incessant stumbling along the rather unkempt road of vintage Toyota ownership, a few pictures that aren't really as good as I'd like them to be, and a truly annoying propensity for making questionable life choices and writing about them at nauseating length. I mean, think about it: I daily-drive an HZJ73...and life choices can't get much more questionable than that without involving either democracy, existentialism, the ménage à trois, or - if you're really good - all three at once.

Speaking of bad life choices, I made a very significant one just now: I completely desynchronized my own thread by teasing a middle-of-a-road trip picture without even fully explaining how I ended up with a Land Cruiser in the first place...and that is what's referred-to as exceptionally poor form. But wait: there's less: when I sat down to type out that explanation, it reached a length that would give Anna Karenina a serious case of size envy...which is also exceptionally poor form. So, I'm going to summarize everything as best possible by saying that after many years of searching, last August I found an HZJ73 for sale in Florida in the condition I was demanding and at a price I was willing to pay, which is not only how the "drove from North Carolina to Florida to look at a 73-series, bought it, drove it back to NC the next day" thing took place, but also how I drove through an absolute storm of bugs in a freshly-detailed Land Cruiser on the way out of Florida and then managed to stop in rural Georgia in the middle of the night for a dinner break and not realize that I could have been at the Waffle House when I took the first picture of a newly-purchased truck that I'd coveted for nearly thirty years.

Pictured: And if that isn't existentialism and/or exceptionally poor form, then I don't know what is.

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Okay, so now you're all caught up, and I spared you the details of a corporate land grab, contract negotiations, family strife, seriously-heavy life choices, the exodus from a brutally-toxic workplace, the sale of two beloved Jeep projects, a spontaneously-collapsing bathroom floor, 30 cubic yards of things that my partner and I just didn't need to keep, an entire tax bracket's worth of stuff that we didn't even realize we'd accumulated in the first place, a nice little Airbnb in the bad part of town, storage units, favors-called-in, shifting deadlines, a first-class airline ticket for a twelve-pound bunny, tearful farewells, an unplanned nap on the western coast of Iceland, an entire town of puppy-haters and a bunch of other stuff that would make for some good Days of our Lives fodder; thus, we can just get right back to the part where I pack the dog into the rig...

Pictured: Say hello, Leia.

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...and start out on a cross-country journey that will eventually cover the aforementioned 5,000km, from North Carolina all the way to Olympia, Washington. By the way: I don't mean "approximately 5,000-ish, give or take a few dozen, because honestly, who's counting?" when I say that; rather, I mean exactly 5,000km.

Pictured: January 28th, 2023. Also, pay attention; this number becomes important later on.

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Yeah, yeah, I know: the dash isn't clean...but it's usually clean, so I'm giving myself a permission slip on this one. Also, if you're wondering about why it doesn't look like winter in any of those photos (aside from the first one): winter didn't really hit until we were three days into the trip and pushing through western Kansas. Until that time, nothing really happened except some late-night pizza at surprisingly-affordable hotels, and a strange dearth of traffic through some of the flattest parts of the country. I'm not kidding about that, by the way: you've already seen the rear view...but here's what it looked like from the cockpit.

Pictured: Kansas is downright riveting. Also, nobody told me that the Rapture happened.

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Yeah, yeah, I know: the wiper arms need refinishing and the hood needs paint where the clearcoat is blistering. I'll challenge you, however, to show me an early 90's Toyota where the paint on the hood and wiper arms isn't doing that...and when I say this, I mean exactly the opposite: please don't actually show me intact surfaces until I get these repainted, lest I feel absolutely awful about myself. I've wanted a 70-series since I first saw one in a magazine centerfold spread back in the mid-90's - also true of Victoria Silvstedt, come to think of it 🤔- so the fact that portions of it desperately need my attention sometimes keeps me up at night. On other nights, thoughts of secondary fuel tanks and a better spare tire carrier keep me up, and on still other nights it's the twelve-pound rabbit playing with the nine-stone Central Asian that are at fault. Thankfully I didn't have both of those with me on the trip, or I would have completely missed out on the riotous, sensory-overloading explosion of hue and chroma that was Colorado.

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Hang on a sec: I haven't really said much about actually building the rig, have I? I mean, this is supposed to be a build thread, but here I am - somewhat as promised - rambling on about a road trip and rabbits and a massive relocation, but not really doing a lot of building. Five entire pictures and not a single thing has been built: it's downright shameful. To be honest, however, I'm not exactly sure how much building I'm going to do, or even where the build is going to go. Hell, I haven't even given the rig a name, yet...and that's not just because I'm terrible at naming things; it's because I'm still unaware of what direction I'm heading in life...so how on earth am I supposed to know what to do with a JDM Land Cruiser before I actually get there with it?

Then again...perhaps that's what owning a Land Cruiser is all about: heeding that call to find new horizons, and taking the road unknown to find whatever lies in wait at the end. Perhaps the build isn't so much about the rig, but about the person that's in the driver's seat; perhaps it's about building a different life on a distant shore, over the hills and far away, and finding a bit of solace in stepping ever-closer to terra incognita. In one fashion or another, we will inevitably find out...so: I'll try and keep things interesting along the way.

Stay tuned, Dear Reader...and even if we should never cross paths out there in the Wasteland: thank you for whatever part in this journey you eventually play.

To be continued...
The title caught my eye - this sounds like an epic story!
 
The title caught my eye - this sounds like an epic story!

That was certainly one hell of a trip...and hopefully the first of many. I hope I can keep it interesting for you; failing that, you can at least laugh at the constant and unbroken stream of me completely screwing up everything I try to do. It's cringe-worthy entertainment on even the worst of days, guaranteed.

Thanks for reading; I sincerely hope you enjoy it. 🫡
 
...and then Megazip cancelled my order, too. The slider is out of stock there, as well; it's still in the catalog, but they don't have it. 😑

Time to get creative, it seems.
 
...and then Megazip cancelled my order, too. The slider is out of stock there, as well; it's still in the catalog, but they don't have it. 😑

Time to get creative, it seems.

You guys are doing this so wrong.

Do you all just rely on what you read on the internets?

I highly recommend creating a relationship with a real human who knows what the call is and interfaces with other humans who know what the call is….

When it comes to Toyota parts you **really** need to have a human to engage. Some things are almost always based in real life relationships and interactions.
 

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