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Or he could have killed somebody else. It's sheer luck that he didn't. Did I mention that his car fell down into the middle of the interstate below? Holy crap! Cars on I485 run 75 - 80 mph all the time. Watching for falling cars is not something I think about as I fly up and down that road.

No pitchforks here. I am all about everybody taking responsibility for their own actions. BUT if the drunk dumbass had run off the bridge and landed in front my wife and kids as they drove along below and if they were hurt or killed as a result, the Wing Ding (whatever) Bar would have to bear some of that responsibility...more than $1000 and a 10 day suspended liquor license.

What I suspect will happen is that dumbasses family will sue the bar. In that case, I wouldn't give them a dime. He was just as guilty as the bar was.
 
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Or he could have killed somebody else. It's sheer luck that he didn't. Did I mention that his car fell down into the middle of the interstate below? Holy crap! Cars on I485 run 75 - 80 mph all the time. Watching for falling cars is not something I think about as I fly up and down that road.

No pitchforks here. I am all about everybody taking responsibility for their own actions. BUT if the drunk dumbass had run off the bridge and landed in front my wife and kids as they drove along below and if they were hurt or killed as a result, the Wing Ding (whatever) Bar would have to bear some of that responsibility...more than $1000 and a 10 day suspended liquor license.


Dram Shop laws in most states, including NC, would hold them liable. Each state though will dictate how much, hell in most states you can be held liable if it is your house the drinking takes place at. It would seem in this situation the Dram Shop law in NC for this situation was the 11 days and $$ fine. In most states the bartender, establishment, cannot be held liable by the person or persons family that was intoxicated. However that can change if the intoxicated person caused an accident that harmed another. I really have no idea what it would be like in NC on that front though)

True 6 shots could have yielded the same results but 17 to anyone is pretty much guaranteeing something bad is going to happen. Of course I haven't read the article so I don't know what the exact situation was. If there were people there that said they were the DD but then outside they let him go on his way that's a different story all together. But most dive bars in NC let alone a huge chain still normally err on the side of caution and will cut you off when you show signs of intoxication. Knowing a huge amount of bar tenders in NC including my wife I don't know one that would serve someone that much booze unless they knew for sure they weren't driving.

But as I said wasn't there so I don't know the exact circumstances.
 
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Back to the actual topic of is BWW good?

I tend to not really like chains... their beer selection isn't that great and the service normally isn't that good. The wings themselves the few times i've been are fairly good. I liked the wings at Quaker Steak and Lube been though.
 
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It's not the bar's fault that the guy decided to drive drunk and kill himself. Sure, maybe they overserved him, and deserve a fine for that. The guy could have just as easily had 6 shots and killed himself driving home drunk.

Put away your pitchforks.
I don't think the pitchforks and tar & feathers are out yet regarding this subject, but you're totally correct, JC, regarding the guys decision to drive drunk being his alone and not the bar's. However, it was the bar that gave him an average of 1 drink every 15 minutes for 4 hours. Even if 17 different bartenders only served him one shot each they would still know exactly how many he had already been served and for how long when they entered each order into the computer. Surely one of those 17 bartenders would have noticed the amount and thought to question it since it was highly likely that the customer had reached or passed the point of rational judgement and decision making. Many of us have been there and (don't) know what that point feels like. Now...if one of those 17 bartenders HAD questioned it but were rebuffed by their superiors when doing so...that should be the nail in the coffin of the entire WWC enterprise, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's the tactic used by the lawyer of the victims wife and six kids. But I'd like to hear what Mrs JC has to say, from what she knows as the law, from her training and from her own experience. No sarcasm implied there. She knows her stuff and I would value her knowledge.

For those who aren't local or might have forgotten (and this might change the way you view this):
Although this might come down to a moral or ethical decision made by a single person (patron or server as you see it), this location of WWC has had problems adhering to the law in the past. In 2004, they allowed 10 underage people to be served alcohol. One of those served went on to wreck his car and kill himself afterward. Yes, other bars have likely been found in violation of the underage issue, but other regional WWC locations have been cited for this, too (Savannah, 2006+; multiple violations). I have not searched for other examples from this WWC location.

Look here (NC Gvt site) and notice that the only 10 day/$1000 fines listed in the first 50 all are for drinking while serving. Wow. 7 day/$700 fine on a charge of "Selling alcoholic drinks at a price that is different from the usual price for less than an entire business day or to a segment of the population". Wow. The lowest underage drinking drinking fine levied as per this link is 12 day/$1200 (and most are 20/$2000+). Wow. This assumes that these fines from May 2017 are structured the same as the fine being implemented in the case of point (which occurred 9/2017), and, obviously, I didn't see any fines for serving a customer who then got in a car and killed himself, so I don't know if that even exists. What it implies though, is that overserving falls between price gouging and underage drinking on the severity/penalty scale.

I can appreciate that "over serving" is a thing that cannot be laid down by law as it is now. Al can drink way more than Eric F, so it falls on the server to make judgement. Problem here, the way I see it, is that there was a monumental failure of judgement somewhere that night. Hell, maybe it was the engineer who designed the sadly popular "Suicide Leap", the spot where the deceased drove off of the 485 ramp and fell onto traffic below, that sees more than its share of jumpers. How do we fix this?
 
Then there is North-foooking- Carolina judges, it’s a crap shoot. You hire a contractor to install #2 common oak floor in your house, he gives you a quote and a contract for the install. After the install you notice that the floor it’s all wrong. The contractor swears by email that indeed, he installed #2 common in your house, and won’t return any calls. You decide to rip it off, and find they installed Select or Better, and that’s why it doesn’t match. You gather the documents nd samples from the ripped floor, go to court, and the judge says screw you, deal with the wrong floor. So, in the end the law is whatever some idiot think it is
 
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I just saw this post over in the 80’s forum. What Did You Do with Your 80 This Weekend?
Even though his avatar is cutoff, it looks like @JohnVee is the leader in popularity for all of Mud... beating out Gen. Patton and the always popular Miss Hawaii!
Congrats John!
 
@S.CarolinaFZJ80 Dude, you're way off. Looks like I'm #23. We've got 7 or 8 ONSC'ers in the top 25! But thanks for thinking I'm something other than absolutely worthless!

https://forum.ih8mud.com/members/?type=likes
Don’t devalue yourself like that. I didn’t know that was part of a larger list... just saw the one post. I honestly didn't even know that a ranking like this existed on Mud. I’m actually surprised that the Hawaiian isn’t higher on the list given the demographics of old guys on Mud.
 
Anyone have any advice for me on this:

  • Bought a salvaged vehicle
  • Title signed over to me - notorized
  • Haven't bothered to go to the DMV to make it officially mine
  • I have NO intention of ever registering the vehicle, I"ll likely pull parts/engine/brakes/etc and scrap the rest
  • Does it matter if I never actually transfer the title?
  • Will that be a hassle when I go to scrap it
  • Or, is it more of a hassle for the previous owner :)
 
Anyone have any advice for me on this:

  • Bought a salvaged vehicle
  • Title signed over to me - notorized
  • Haven't bothered to go to the DMV to make it officially mine
  • I have NO intention of ever registering the vehicle, I"ll likely pull parts/engine/brakes/etc and scrap the rest
  • Does it matter if I never actually transfer the title?
  • Will that be a hassle when I go to scrap it
  • Or, is it more of a hassle for the previous owner :)

There is an option to get the title transfers without getting a plate for it "non road going" or something like that. I think it saves some of the fees and taxes. I would want it in my name in case it was ever stolen or vandalized.
 
@jamesurq im pretty sure you need it to be titled in your name in order to scrap it.
 
if it is newer than 15 yrs old i believe this is the case in NC ^^^
 
I think you only need a registration if it's newer than 10 years, if it's older than that doesn't matter . They'll run the VIN to make sure there are no flags and you're done. Just make sure you have something with the VIN on it like the dashboard or something, you can keep it but they just need to see it.
 

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