Hey , i've got a 100 series cruiser now , but i don't want to modifiy it to take it off road. So , i wanted to get a 80 series with a V8 swap in it . How does the best engine swaps (complete restorations also). And which engine ? Thanks for the info !
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tucker74
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If you really want a V8 you should buy a '91-'92 and Marks kit from AUS - you can mate a cheby up to the tranny. Money better spent would be a TRD supercharger on a 1FZE ('93-'97) IMO...full floater, factory lockers, disks all around...
Tucker
Tucker
I think your question was more of WHO vs. HOW does the best engine swaps. Really there aren't a lot of folks pumping out V8 swaps in 80s. Most of them are people who did them in their garage. There are a few companies that specialize in this sort of thing but for the prices they charge you could go buy another 100 series to beat on. I agree with the Supercharger on a later model one comment, you'd be in it less money if you are paying to have the work done and you'd get as good and sometimes better performance than the V8 swap. If you could find a good used V8 swap you might do OK for price.
Go with a 95 or later with lockers 4.88s and 35's, if you still want more, go with a Turbo. You won't regret it.
These guys do the V8 if you're still stuck on it.
http://www.tlc4x4.com/2000/Restorations/new/fj80/tlc_resto_fj80.htm
Good Luck.
These guys do the V8 if you're still stuck on it.
http://www.tlc4x4.com/2000/Restorations/new/fj80/tlc_resto_fj80.htm
Good Luck.
You could get a '93+ and just wait 'til the motor pukes and then do a V8 swap. You might have to wait a very long time though, unless you're Junk. 
I would take a V8 over S/C'd I-6 any day
03Cruiser,
I'll throw out another option. Get a 93-97 with the 1FZ-FE engine and have Robbie do his overbore magic. He's done at least 2 and they end up at 4.7 liters with a big HP increase over stock. If you have him do a full rebuild then the engine will be ready for turbo or S/C if the "hot-rodding" mods don't get you where you are happy.
I think you would be about even with a new crate motor and all the hassle of the conversion to a Chevy V8 and you would still have the torque of the I6 and be able to get service and parts through the normal Toyota channels. A crate V8 with TPI is pretty expensive. If you go carbed, the new engine would probably come in at $3k. Maybe $4k for a TBI, and $5 or $6k (and up!) for a TPI. (Estimates are for adapters, wiring harnesses, guages, etc. ) Labor would be extra.
If you go with a used TPI V8 (e.g an LT1) and do a rebuild and all the other things that have to be changed you will still be close to the $$$ of a bored 1FZ-FE. Est $6k including labor for the bored 1FZ-FE. A used carbed or TBI would be cheaper but then you're taking giant steps backward in my opinion.
-B-
I'll throw out another option. Get a 93-97 with the 1FZ-FE engine and have Robbie do his overbore magic. He's done at least 2 and they end up at 4.7 liters with a big HP increase over stock. If you have him do a full rebuild then the engine will be ready for turbo or S/C if the "hot-rodding" mods don't get you where you are happy.
I think you would be about even with a new crate motor and all the hassle of the conversion to a Chevy V8 and you would still have the torque of the I6 and be able to get service and parts through the normal Toyota channels. A crate V8 with TPI is pretty expensive. If you go carbed, the new engine would probably come in at $3k. Maybe $4k for a TBI, and $5 or $6k (and up!) for a TPI. (Estimates are for adapters, wiring harnesses, guages, etc. ) Labor would be extra.
If you go with a used TPI V8 (e.g an LT1) and do a rebuild and all the other things that have to be changed you will still be close to the $$$ of a bored 1FZ-FE. Est $6k including labor for the bored 1FZ-FE. A used carbed or TBI would be cheaper but then you're taking giant steps backward in my opinion.
-B-
ginericfj80 said:
Cost is temporary performance is for ever
Phil,
I see in your sig line that you have a V8 60 and an 80. One of our club members recently moved from a TBI 350/ NVG4500 60 to an 80 and hasn't looked back. The 60 was no slouch OME, 33's, ARB's, 12k Warn, for starters. He drove my S/C 80 and bought one a few months later.
I see in your sig line that you have a V8 60 and an 80. One of our club members recently moved from a TBI 350/ NVG4500 60 to an 80 and hasn't looked back. The 60 was no slouch OME, 33's, ARB's, 12k Warn, for starters. He drove my S/C 80 and bought one a few months later.
cruiserdan said:
Dan my 80 is S/C w/ 4.88 and it runs good but it does not have the V8 feel. My 80 will have a V8 some day. My 40 and 60 V8 conversion were EZ compared to the wiring nightmare I look foward to on the 80.
Phil
Agreed,
Nothing can replace that V8 exhaust rumble. I have a 440 Magnum in a Challenger to fill that need.
Nothing can replace that V8 exhaust rumble. I have a 440 Magnum in a Challenger to fill that need.
One company here in Aus does a stroker crank for the 4.5 petrol, making 5.2 - 5.5 lt capacity, by welding and re grinding the crank.
They supplied alot of the performance parts and machining for the white 80 on autospeed with 600 kw etc.
Latest 4wd monthly mag here has a 80scooler Paul Brennan, who fitted a gen 7 454 to his 80, after speaking with me before the conversion, and he has been very happy with it.
Having had good chevs, 350's 383's, 400's, 454's, the 4.5 turbo intercooled with lots of boost, unichipped, is a sweet engine, and makes for a tough choice, but personally, wouldnt even bother with a s/c.........
They supplied alot of the performance parts and machining for the white 80 on autospeed with 600 kw etc.
Latest 4wd monthly mag here has a 80scooler Paul Brennan, who fitted a gen 7 454 to his 80, after speaking with me before the conversion, and he has been very happy with it.
Having had good chevs, 350's 383's, 400's, 454's, the 4.5 turbo intercooled with lots of boost, unichipped, is a sweet engine, and makes for a tough choice, but personally, wouldnt even bother with a s/c.........
LandCruiserPhil said:
Actually Phil, it's just the opposite. The money never comes back and the perf only lasts so long.
<- darn I miss that slap gif.So 03, one must ask... Why do you want the V8 if you are hardcore wheeling it? Have you wheeled in an 80 yet through some hardcore stuff to only be disapointed?
I'll be beating on my 80 pretty hard this weekend. Unless the 1FZ-FE goes :kapluie: there will be no lack of power. Course, I'll only be playing with guys that have 40's on their 40, so no biggie.
cruiserdan said:
Juane and I did our V8s in our 60s at about the same time. It is funny that he moved to an 80 not too long after I did. At CM 2000 there was a group of 6-7 wagons on Fins and Things. We took a photo of the wagon group. There was one 80 from AZ. Now everyone except one guy drives an 80 now. Would like to go wheeling with all of those guys again and get another photo with all the 80s and the one 60.
Back to this V8 thing, If you are buying new you are probably going to be in the motor a good $4500 (probably more) with accessories (alt, starter, etc...) Possibly more. There is no reason to do it if you aren't going to do it right ZZ4 would be the motor I'd probably use or there is a newer 383 injected motor from Goodwrench. Then you need adapters and possiblely a tranny. Expect to pay $2k for a tranny if going with a 4l60e or 4l80e. The adapter to the case is going to run another $800. Parts alone can easily be 10k. Now if you want to go total beater, get a 91/92, swap the rearend to a 93-97, swap the brake booster and get the Mark's kit $1200 or so and get a used 350TBI. You're still going to be in it $4500 or so for the total conversion for the engine and another $1k for the rear axle. Why rear axle? Brakes. If you want to add power you must also add the ability to stop. The other thing I found after I swapped to my V8 in my 60 was parts for the GM stuff was cheap, probably a 1/4 to 1/3 of Toyota prices for similar parts. However, I also found that I seemed to be replacing parts more often. The only advantage in all of this is that there is a Chevy dealer or parts house with Chevy parts everywhere in NA. Toyota parts are a PITA to get in rural NA.
If you put in a 4l60 make sure you are goooooood friends with the local tranny guy.
He'll see you more than his wife.
He'll see you more than his wife.
yes, the newer L85 is the go, though the only real weak point of the earlier l60 etc is when people shorten up the shift time, and the hollow shaft twists, the changes are around the .7 sec for a reason
the shed guy said:
Darren, you have an actual name of a company? That would be be very cool if going through the money and work to rebuild the I-6 to atleast end up with a significantly larger engine when you're done. I've seen that welding/regrinding of the crank, bizzare they can do that, usually with hard-facing wire, I had heard about that for lots of other engines but never for any Toyota ones...so any info you have would be appreciated...
Thanks,
Mark Brodis
mabrodis@colorado4x4.net
alia176
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Why not a Cheby 4.3 vortec v-6? Just curious.
I could be wrong, but I dont' think this engine has near the torque of the 4.5. Kind of like driving an S10 with the old 2.8 engines. I had one of those before the 80.....alia176 said:
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