Just sat in a $250,000 FJ40. Is it still a Land Cruiser? (1 Viewer)

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At friend's friend housewarming in rather fancy part of town. Drove my 40 over. Someone said "hey, come look at (home owner) Land Cruiser." We walk over and I don't see a Land Cruiser. There's a, hmmm, think that's a Jeep Rubicon or Raptor Bronco...nope, still looking for the FJ40, but all I see are C8 Z06 with garish stripes and carbon wings, several Raptors, new Defenders, 2015 GT40 (yeah, THAT kind of neighborhood), 992 Turbo S.

I ask "where's the Land Cruiser" and someone points to what I thought was the shiny jacked up Bronco Raptor mere feet away. It's an Icon. If it wasn't for the hood emblem and someone telling me I never would've known it was a Toyota. Roll cage front to back, think it had 37s, Tartufo buckets, greenish-black paint and a tiny steering wheel.

He bought it from auction. With fees, enclosed shipping, tax etc someone said between bites of delicious carne asada "it's a quarter million." Shut the front door!! So I did search history and whaddya know, there are plenty of 200K-ish restores from FJ Company and Icon ending in a bidding frenzy to avoid that 2 year wait. This "FJ40" was not that uncommon. Just to me.

That started the housewarming roundtable. Some said why bother, it's not a 40, zero interest. OEM or nothing at all. Others said it's the same as a Singer Porsche. Presumably same demographic, same use case, still a Porsche, just reimagined with a big price and long wait. An Icon is still a Land Cruiser. Most are garage queens, don't off road, not really an investment, but a flex. My friend's opinion was Icon and its ilk aren't far removed from a great home mechanic's passion project of small block Chevy/fuel injection/aluminum tub 40.

Wondering if any forum members own/has owned an Icon. Or wants to snag a FJ Company on an auction site as bucket list.
Wondering if you or someone you know has gone from a $$$$ restomod or even a Chevy/fuel injected/4 discs/modern sound system and nice paint back to "original" mechanical and patina the older you get. A "less is more" kind of thing, back to basics.

As for me I lusted after that GT40. The $250,000 FJ40 didn't do a thing for me. But I can appreciate why someone would want one. I think.
 
I work on a lot of Land Cruisers. I have driven a FJ Company 40. It is nice, still leaks water when it rains, yes we drove it in the rain. I have also driven a 98% stock restoration 68 FJ40. I can tell you, it sucked in my opinion. I will take a FI v-8, 4spd, ps, 40 everyday. H55f is not bad, but you have to shift too soon out of 1st gear. Now I did just put an H55f in my v-8 fi, ps 40, but that was to offset the underdrive gears of the 4:1 split case gears. It is a driver but used off-road. I had a H41 that I pulled out, so it will be the same except the overdrive.
 
At friend's friend housewarming in rather fancy part of town. Drove my 40 over. Someone said "hey, come look at (home owner) Land Cruiser." We walk over and I don't see a Land Cruiser. There's a, hmmm, think that's a Jeep Rubicon or Raptor Bronco...nope, still looking for the FJ40, but all I see are C8 Z06 with garish stripes and carbon wings, several Raptors, new Defenders, 2015 GT40 (yeah, THAT kind of neighborhood), 992 Turbo S.

I ask "where's the Land Cruiser" and someone points to what I thought was the shiny jacked up Bronco Raptor mere feet away. It's an Icon. If it wasn't for the hood emblem and someone telling me I never would've known it was a Toyota. Roll cage front to back, think it had 37s, Tartufo buckets, greenish-black paint and a tiny steering wheel.

He bought it from auction. With fees, enclosed shipping, tax etc someone said between bites of delicious carne asada "it's a quarter million." Shut the front door!! So I did search history and whaddya know, there are plenty of 200K-ish restores from FJ Company and Icon ending in a bidding frenzy to avoid that 2 year wait. This "FJ40" was not that uncommon. Just to me.

That started the housewarming roundtable. Some said why bother, it's not a 40, zero interest. OEM or nothing at all. Others said it's the same as a Singer Porsche. Presumably same demographic, same use case, still a Porsche, just reimagined with a big price and long wait. An Icon is still a Land Cruiser. Most are garage queens, don't off road, not really an investment, but a flex. My friend's opinion was Icon and its ilk aren't far removed from a great home mechanic's passion project of small block Chevy/fuel injection/aluminum tub 40.

Wondering if any forum members own/has owned an Icon. Or wants to snag a FJ Company on an auction site as bucket list.
Wondering if you or someone you know has gone from a $$$$ restomod or even a Chevy/fuel injected/4 discs/modern sound system and nice paint back to "original" mechanical and patina the older you get. A "less is more" kind of thing, back to basics.

As for me I lusted after that GT40. The $250,000 FJ40 didn't do a thing for me. But I can appreciate why someone would want one. I think.
My Dad and I built an over restored, Concours award and class winner ‘72 and a stockish ‘69. Both are equally fun in their own way. As are the the budget builds and rust buckets for that matter, they are all fun.
 
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Irrc the only only thing that's actually toyota or land cruiser about them is frame, or bits of it and the vin tag.
 
Years ago I remember seeing the line "Bought, not built", and for me that accurately describes the Icon "FJ40"s. Certainly you have to have the financial horsepower to write the check, but that's it.

Contrast that with the vast majority of 'Mud members who lack those super-deep pockets. Many of our rigs are built with our blood, sweat, and tears as well as a whole lot of thought and saving our dollars for the next phase of our project machine.

When the Icon owner stops at a gas station to fill it, and someone offers a nice word, he can't pridefully say that he built it.

Yeah, it's a very cool and incredibly capable machine... that he bought.

And in this case he didn't even participate in spec'ing the vehicle.

Sorry, but I am unimpressed....
 
As classic vehicles are getting harder to find more and more companies are producing replacements. You can build a new 57 Chevy from all new parts, or even a first generation Bronco, or even a 356 Porsche. Are they an original no but do they allow you to drive the vehicle of your dreams? Not an original but yes they are a 57 Chevy or Bronco or 356. The alternate route may get you there quicker and with desired updates that the originals won't.
 
Irrc the only only thing that's actually toyota or land cruiser about them is frame, or bits of it and the vin tag.

I know over fifteen years ago the Icon had it own new frame. If the VIN plaque was still original I would be surprised. My question is what percentage of a Land Cruiser has to made by Toyota to still be still a Land Cruiser? Believe TLC hold the patent on FJ40 but not Toyota FJ40.
 
I'm impressed the OP even knows or gets invited to a neighborhood with those kinds of high dollar vehicles sitting around.


I'm slightly( just barley) above trailer park invites and parties.

;)
I rarely get invited back. Probably my eating style (multiple stacked plates of "no, not that one, the big piece in the back").
For me it's less what you know ("Oh, that's a Land Cruiser??"), but who you know ("My friend did your entire family's triple bypass? Ya don't say...are you gonna eat that last piece of Wagyu?")
 
Many many years ago, my dad and I had an opportunity to tour the ICON shop. They knew upfront that there was no way that we were going to be customers but they were still really cool and spent quite a bit of time with us showing us various rigs and discussing their process. Let me tell you, if you've never seen one in person, they are super nice. Would I own one? Probably not. Why? because I enjoy the process of working on my own rig. Also, I'm 50 years old and I don't have $200,000 into every vehicle I've ever owned combined, much less one single one. My wife frequently says (and she's right), that "If we ever won the lottery, Scott wouldn't have a hanger full of new cars, he'd have acres of old ones."

Is an ICON a Land Cruiser? By extension, is any 40 running a non-Toyota drivetrain a Land Cruiser? That's an unanswerable question. It's way too subjective because it hinges on what makes a Land Cruiser a Land Cruiser TO YOU. For instance, I learned to drive in a 1976 FJ40 with a 350 when I was 9 years old. That was a huge moment for a little gearhead like me and it's a core memory. Because of that, I don't feel that a SBC swapped 40 is any less of a Land Cruiser. At the same time, I can see how someone else might. That's ok but it's a slippery slope. I've owned 4 Fj40's in my life, a 1970, completely stock, a 1972 with a 350/LC 3 speed, a 1976 with a 2F/SM420 4 speed and my under-construction 1972 which is getting a SBC/NV4500/Orion swap. I also had a 1997 FZJ80 at one time. Which was the most "Land Cruiserish"? All of them. What makes it a Land Cruiser? Who cares? In my opinion, your truck needs to make you happy. If you've accomplished that then you win. Enjoy your Land Cruiser.
 
Wondering if any forum members own/has owned an Icon. Or wants to snag a FJ Company on an auction site as bucket list.
Doubtful any forum member would admit to it if they did. The ability to afford one is rarified company!

They are definitely cool rigs. I'd like to inspect one and take it for a short spin.
After owning a stock '76 40, I'd take one of these every day of the week over a "real" 40. You bet, call it an Icon Land Cruiser.
 
My Dad and I have an over restored, Concours award and class winner ‘72 and a stockish ‘69. Both are equally fun in their own way. As are the the budget builds and rust buckets for that matter, they are all fun.
I agree. I have driven both stock FJ40s and highly modified restomods. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. In my opinion, the issue depends on whether you plan to use it as a daily driver or take it on long road trips. It can rough driving a stock 40 for 2-3 hours or more. I regularly drive mine 2 hours to north GA for off-roading, and that is about as far as I want to go.

For driving around town and the occasional road trip, I personally think it's pretty cool to drive a vehicle that is 50 years old, just like my dad or grandpa did.

All that being said... to each his own! If it makes you happy... drive it!!
 
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Drive what makes you happy & if it puts smiles on other peoples faces thats a bonus, l may miss the grunt of owning a V6, V8 or a V12 but l can hire 1 for less than £100 a day... nothing fancy just quick quick quick...;)
 
Probably one of my favorite ICON projects is a FJ 60 body on and FZJ80 chassis , vortec engine.
Jonathon Ward gave the keynote address at Cruiser Fest 2019. Listen to him talk for an hour and decide what you think about his product. I would probably never own one even if I could but I do respect his talent.
 
It is not fun driving a stock 40 for 2-3 hours or more.
Im not looking to argue or chest pound or compare the size of the swinging steak in anyway......you just happen to have been the one that wrote it.

This is very much a matter of opinion.
I have no issues driving my very stockish example many hours and covering few miles or many hours to cover many miles. The joy and excitement of driving it is as strong now, as it was the first time some nearly 30 years ago.
 

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