Installed Dobinson's 1.75 Inch Variable Rate Suspension Kit: C59 - 222V, C59 223V

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AnalogMS said:
i cant say for certain under full flex, i haven't had the opportunity to push it that hard yet. but the inner mud flap is really the only thing that protrudes out into the wheel arch, cant see anywhere else where it would rub.
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Ok thanks, I think it's time for 35s
 
@crikeymike My trucks a big higher than I'd like. I'm currently on icon coils with the IMS 4-5" shocks (IMS45-60912 & IMS59-60687).

Would I need new shocks for the 222/223?
I have lower bump stops and @Delta VS rear spring retainers.

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Answering my own question with knowledge from the shock Bible (Compiled 80 series suspension component spec thread... shocks, coils & more. - https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/compiled-80-series-suspension-component-spec-thread-shocks-coils-more.1026595/#post-11348352).

Quoting @GW Nugget "[if] your free height is at least 19.5" you can run a shock that extends to 26.5" like the OME L shock without coil falling out."

The c59-223v is ~20", and the IMS45-60912 is 26.3" fully extended.
 
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I'll add to this one. I'm currently running C59-222V and C59-223V springs with IMS shocks. I have an Ironman front bumper, Badlands winch with steel cable, DIY sliders, DIY tire and gas can swingouts, Landtank 2.5 caster correction plates, an Eimkeith rear panhard lift bracket, factory driveshafts front and rear. The front springs have 20mm spacers and unloaded the truck looks level to me despite the front wheel well have more gap. I like the way it looks and it rides great around town and works well for camping and hunting trips.
Unloaded center of hub to fender measurements.
LF - 23" RF - 22.5"
LR - 21.5" RR - 22"

However, we just got back from a road trip from Texas to Utah, loaded with roof rack boxes and a bunch of camping gear.
Loaded center of hub to fender measurements. Photo on Potash below.
LF - 23.25" RF - 22.75"
LR - 20.5" RR - 21"

FZJ80 on Potash.PNG

A few notes from the trip. I found that the loaded setup was a little more squatted than I liked so I'm going to add 15mm and 30mm spacers to the rear to bring up the back and help level things out when loaded down. The suspesion did great on the White Rim trail which I expected as I've done lots of similar driving around BBNP and BBRSP in west Texas. On the highway in cross winds the truck rocked side to side more than I liked but that is probably a combination of the front end coming up and effectively reducing the caster and the boxes catching gusts of wind. I'll see how it handles after adding the spacers to the rear.

Before I built the swingouts I was running C59-269V coils in rear but with the added weight behind the rear axle they could no longer keep up so I changed to the current C59-223V coils. Also, the best improvement I've made to this suspension setup is the addition of Timbren Off Road Bumpstops, PN ABSTORLC1, available from Mike at Exit. I have not had a hard bottom out since installing these and they are a game changer for the type of offroading I do. They do require a couple modifications to work on these trucks.
 
Whitetail said:
I'll add to this one. I'm currently running C59-222V and C59-223V springs with IMS shocks. I have an Ironman front bumper, Badlands winch with steel cable, DIY sliders, DIY tire and gas can swingouts, Landtank 2.5 caster correction plates, an Eimkeith rear panhard lift bracket, factory driveshafts front and rear. The front springs have 20mm spacers and unloaded the truck looks level to me despite the front wheel well have more gap. I like the way it looks and it rides great around town and works well for camping and hunting trips.
Unloaded center of hub to fender measurements.
LF - 23" RF - 22.5"
LR - 21.5" RR - 22"

However, we just got back from a road trip from Texas to Utah, loaded with roof rack boxes and a bunch of camping gear.
Loaded center of hub to fender measurements. Photo on Potash below.
LF - 23.25" RF - 22.75"
LR - 20.5" RR - 21"

View attachment 3647211
A few notes from the trip. I found that the loaded setup was a little more squatted than I liked so I'm going to add 15mm and 30mm spacers to the rear to bring up the back and help level things out when loaded down. The suspesion did great on the White Rim trail which I expected as I've done lots of similar driving around BBNP and BBRSP in west Texas. On the highway in cross winds the truck rocked side to side more than I liked but that is probably a combination of the front end coming up and effectively reducing the caster and the boxes catching gusts of wind. I'll see how it handles after adding the spacers to the rear.

Before I built the swingouts I was running C59-269V coils in rear but with the added weight behind the rear axle they could no longer keep up so I changed to the current C59-223V coils. Also, the best improvement I've made to this suspension setup is the addition of Timbren Off Road Bumpstops, PN ABSTORLC1, available from Mike at Exit. I have not had a hard bottom out since installing these and they are a game changer for the type of offroading I do. They do require a couple modifications to work on these trucks.
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Do you have a picture of the 80 unloaded? Leaning towards the springs setup and IMS shocks. Thanks
 
Whitetail said:
I'll add to this one. I'm currently running C59-222V and C59-223V springs with IMS shocks. I have an Ironman front bumper, Badlands winch with steel cable, DIY sliders, DIY tire and gas can swingouts, Landtank 2.5 caster correction plates, an Eimkeith rear panhard lift bracket, factory driveshafts front and rear. The front springs have 20mm spacers and unloaded the truck looks level to me despite the front wheel well have more gap. I like the way it looks and it rides great around town and works well for camping and hunting trips.
Unloaded center of hub to fender measurements.
LF - 23" RF - 22.5"
LR - 21.5" RR - 22"

However, we just got back from a road trip from Texas to Utah, loaded with roof rack boxes and a bunch of camping gear.
Loaded center of hub to fender measurements. Photo on Potash below.
LF - 23.25" RF - 22.75"
LR - 20.5" RR - 21"

View attachment 3647211
A few notes from the trip. I found that the loaded setup was a little more squatted than I liked so I'm going to add 15mm and 30mm spacers to the rear to bring up the back and help level things out when loaded down. The suspesion did great on the White Rim trail which I expected as I've done lots of similar driving around BBNP and BBRSP in west Texas. On the highway in cross winds the truck rocked side to side more than I liked but that is probably a combination of the front end coming up and effectively reducing the caster and the boxes catching gusts of wind. I'll see how it handles after adding the spacers to the rear.

Before I built the swingouts I was running C59-269V coils in rear but with the added weight behind the rear axle they could no longer keep up so I changed to the current C59-223V coils. Also, the best improvement I've made to this suspension setup is the addition of Timbren Off Road Bumpstops, PN ABSTORLC1, available from Mike at Exit. I have not had a hard bottom out since installing these and they are a game changer for the type of offroading I do. They do require a couple modifications to work on these trucks.
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It is so hard to relay to people how could the tempering bump stops make the bottom outs feel. Essentially it's like you are not bothering out anymore.
 
duece71 said:
Great looking rig. 35’s? Are your rear lights LEDs? Thinking about those lights as well.
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Yes, 315/75r16 BFG KO2.

Taillights are LED and I’m happy with them. You’ll need to run some resistors to keep your cruise control working, otherwise it will come out of cruise every time you use your blinker. These did the trick for me. I have mine mounted to the D pillar.

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Whitetail said:
Yes, 315/75r16 BFG KO2.

Taillights are LED and I’m happy with them. You’ll need to run some resistors to keep your cruise control working, otherwise it will come out of cruise every time you use your blinker. These did the trick for me. I have mine mounted to the D pillar.

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Haha, no cruise control for me, except for my foot or the hand throttle. Glad you like them, any other things need done to install the LEDs?
 
Whitetail said:
Yes, 315/75r16 BFG KO2.

Taillights are LED and I’m happy with them. You’ll need to run some resistors to keep your cruise control working, otherwise it will come out of cruise every time you use your blinker. These did the trick for me. I have mine mounted to the D pillar.

View attachment 3647671
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I used these on my 3rd gen 4Runner that had LED lights in the ARB bumper.
 
Ok, I think I have spent a lot of time reviewing suspension threads. I'm very close to ordering this kit BUT just two comments bother me in this particular discussion specifically two members mentioned this kit bottoming out off-road. The general consensus is that these are very comfortable if not the best on-road in terms of ride quality for this height vs linear kits for this height. I take it there are many who don't off-road as much as others so the comments/impressions may be skewed depending on this ratio.

I've been debating between ironman 4x4 foam cell 2" kit and this kit for a few weeks now. Ironman kit also gets good reviews generally and I've read less issues regarding body lean and having to add spacers. However, this morning on found an update for ironman from a member who mentioned ironman is too stiff after 4 years even with all the weight and thinks he will go to Dobinson in the future


It’s a solid set up, but it still rides stiff.
I’ve added a rear bumper, drawers system and 37s now and still rides stiff, but mainly over smaller bumps and daily driving. Truthfully, I’ll probably be switching to Dobinsons in the future.
Overall, it’s been a good kit. I just want to soften it up a little bit

So now I'm at my WIT'S END here and I'm coming to the conclusion you either get a nice ride onroad but have limitations off-road or it performs decent offroad but onroad will be a stiff ride. I don't think you can have both at this point.
 
Part of the problem, @YotaTrail is that "ride" has many variables. Its not just coils or shocks, but lots of factors. One person's "stiff" ride, is another person's "sporty" ride. Totally not trying to be a d*ck, just contributing because I have suspension, I like suspension, and Ill be buying more in the future.
I'm leaning toward Dobinsons coils and IMS shocks as of now. Good luck and post up about what you get.
 
BuckarooBanzai said:
Part of the problem, @YotaTrail is that "ride" has many variables. Its not just coils or shocks, but lots of factors. One person's "stiff" ride, is another person's "sporty" ride. Totally not trying to be a d*ck, just contributing because I have suspension, I like suspension, and Ill be buying more in the future.
I'm leaning toward Dobinsons coils and IMS shocks as of now. Good luck and post up about what you get.
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that's a valid point especially not posting the tires (e rated vs c etc) in the "feel" factor
 
YotaTrail said:
Ok, I think I have spent a lot of time reviewing suspension threads. I'm very close to ordering this kit BUT just two comments bother me in this particular discussion specifically two members mentioned this kit bottoming out off-road. The general consensus is that these are very comfortable if not the best on-road in terms of ride quality for this height vs linear kits for this height. I take it there are many who don't off-road as much as others so the comments/impressions may be skewed depending on this ratio.

I've been debating between ironman 4x4 foam cell 2" kit and this kit for a few weeks now. Ironman kit also gets good reviews generally and I've read less issues regarding body lean and having to add spacers. However, this morning on found an update for ironman from a member who mentioned ironman is too stiff after 4 years even with all the weight and thinks he will go to Dobinson in the future


It’s a solid set up, but it still rides stiff.
I’ve added a rear bumper, drawers system and 37s now and still rides stiff, but mainly over smaller bumps and daily driving. Truthfully, I’ll probably be switching to Dobinsons in the future.
Overall, it’s been a good kit. I just want to soften it up a little bit

So now I'm at my WIT'S END here and I'm coming to the conclusion you either get a nice ride onroad but have limitations off-road or it performs decent offroad but onroad will be a stiff ride. I don't think you can have both at this point.
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What will you be using your truck for?
 
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