Installed Dobinson's 1.75 Inch Variable Rate Suspension Kit: C59 - 222V, C59 223V (10 Viewers)

[Surfdc]

Installed IMS shocks and C59 - 222V, C59 223V springs. Finally got some measurements after a little time. I've got some serious left side sag after installation. I measured and checked label springs heights.
LR: 22 3/8"
RR: 23 1/2"
LF: 22 1/8"
RF: 22 3/4"

Pretty much all over bonkers which is annoying. The 1"+ difference on the rear is pretty insane. Any thoughts? I'm not excited at all about adding spacers just because of the time it's going to take to pull everything out again and the expense of buying the spacers.

Same s***e with my 222/223.
I searched and posted a thread asking if people were off left to right.
So mine was about like yours. So I ordered dob spacers and by the time they were delivered I had cooled off, and I chucked them in. It’s to the point now where I can do one corner in under 30 min!
Even made sure I installed the taller spring on the ds.
-when you go back in on the LR, good time to install the Delta panhard drop bracket.

 

[NorthWA]

The same left side sag with mine. Called exit off-road and Mike said it was probably because my frame was twisted. No way. My old stock height Dobinson‘s were perfect. Definitely these new springs. I’ve had the truck apart and back together three times. Tried switching the front springs left to right made it worse. Tried switching the back no change. Ended up putting 30mm, 20mm , 15mm spacers in to get it balanced. 22.5” hub to fender. Mid-weight cruiser. Not stock not fully built. 6050 lbs with no passengers and overnight camping gear for one.

 

[Inked]

The same left side sag with mine. Called exit off-road and Mike said it was probably because my frame was twisted. No way. My old stock height Dobinson‘s were perfect. Definitely these new springs. I’ve had the truck apart and back together three times. Tried switching the front springs left to right made it worse. Tried switching the back no change. Ended up putting 30mm, 20mm , 15mm spacers in to get it balanced. 22.5” hub to fender. Mid-weight cruiser. Not stock not fully built. 6050 lbs with no passengers and overnight camping gear for one.

Same s***e with my 222/223.
I searched and posted a thread asking if people were off left to right.
So mine was about like yours. So I ordered dob spacers and by the time they were delivered I had cooled off, and I chucked them in. It’s to the point now where I can do one corner in under 30 min!
Even made sure I installed the taller spring on the ds.
-when you go back in on the LR, good time to install the Delta panhard drop bracket.

Thanks for the response. I knew and kind of anticipated some lean but wasn't expecting quite this much. Oddly, I just was out and about, re-measured, now rear is nearly level at roughly 23" Front is still still off. I've got an ARB bumper and a Warn 9.5 xp-s I'm going to install and also new wheels and 315/70/17's Mickey Thompsons to put on...so I'll get that installed and re-measure so I can put the correct spacers in.

@Surfdc Did you find the Delta panhard drop bracket to be a substantial improvement?

 

[Surfdc]

Thanks for the response. I knew and kind of anticipated some lean but wasn't expecting quite this much. Oddly, I just was out and about, re-measured, now rear is nearly level at roughly 23" Front is still still off. I've got an ARB bumper and a Warn 9.5 xp-s I'm going to install and also new wheels and 315/70/17's Mickey Thompsons to put on...so I'll get that installed and re-measure so I can put the correct spacers in.

@Surfdc Did you find the Delta panhard drop bracket to be a substantial improvement?

Yes. It was a piece I installed in conjunction with no other mod. So the before and after was definitely noticeable. The rear end feels more stable and level around corners.
Even though the description says it is for lifts 3” and over, Dave at Delta suggested to run it in my 2.5 inch lift because the closer to level the Panhard bar is the better. He was right!

 

[Inked]

Yes. It was a piece I installed in conjunction with no other mod. So the before and after was definitely noticeable. The rear end feels more stable and level around corners.
Even though the description says it is for lifts 3” and over, Dave at Delta suggested to run it in my 2.5 inch lift because the closer to level the Panhard bar is the better. He was right!

Sweet...I'll do the upgrade for sure! Thanks!

 

[AnalogMS]

very strange, mine is perfectly even on all 4 corners. i do have ARB bar/winch in the front and steel bumper/tire carrier in the back on the 222/223V combo. but no difference in left or right side.

 

[NorthWA]

Very strange, different manufacturing date? I got mine about four or five months ago. I’ve got a comeup 12.5 winch on the front and some extra skid plates but stock bumper. Stock rear bumper but a 20 gallon auxiliary tank in the rear. Everything is centered up so no idea why mine and others were leaning so much.

 

[Greyota]

Very happy with this setup and glad i had this thread for some references. sitting at 22" center hub to fender on all four with all the gear. and still fit in the garage!

I went with 222V / 223V combo with the adjustable poly radius arm bushings set at 2.5 deg, truck drives great.

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Cruiser looks fantastic. Are you still on the stock front driveshaft? No vibes?

 

[AnalogMS]

Cruiser looks fantastic. Are you still on the stock front driveshaft? No vibes?

Thanks! yes all stock, no vibrations.

 

[jonnyd42]

So I just installed the C59-222V and C59-223V with the twin tube gas shocks. Ended up getting over 3" since my LX 450 was on completely shot stock suspension from 1996. That said, my front measured higher than the rear by about a half inch! I'm all stock weight.

I'm wondering if I should have gone C59-220V instead since I don't intend to put on a bumper + winch. I went with the 222V since I saw some photos of folks running the C59-220V and it looked like the back sat higher. I didn't want the stinkbug look when unloaded, and I loved how SuperJ's came out on the first page of this thread with the 222Vs and stock weight; it looks level.

I just installed it yesterday, so it may still settle a bit. Curious if anyone else is sitting higher in the front with stock weight?

 

[Greyota]

So I just installed the C59-222V and C59-223V with the twin tube gas shocks. Ended up getting over 3" since my LX 450 was on completely shot stock suspension from 1996. That said, my front measured higher than the rear by about a half inch! I'm all stock weight.

I'm wondering if I should have gone C59-220V instead since I don't intend to put on a bumper + winch. I went with the 222V since I saw some photos of folks running the C59-220V and it looked like the back sat higher. I didn't want the stinkbug look when unloaded, and I loved how SuperJ's came out on the first page of this thread with the 222Vs and stock weight; it looks level.

I just installed it yesterday, so it may still settle a bit. Curious if anyone else is sitting higher in the front with stock weight?

What are your center of hub to bottom of flare measurements?

 

[Surfdc]

So I just installed the C59-222V and C59-223V with the twin tube gas shocks. Ended up getting over 3" since my LX 450 was on completely shot stock suspension from 1996. That said, my front measured higher than the rear by about a half inch! I'm all stock weight.

I'm wondering if I should have gone C59-220V instead since I don't intend to put on a bumper + winch. I went with the 222V since I saw some photos of folks running the C59-220V and it looked like the back sat higher. I didn't want the stinkbug look when unloaded, and I loved how SuperJ's came out on the first page of this thread with the 222Vs and stock weight; it looks level.

I just installed it yesterday, so it may still settle a bit. Curious if anyone else is sitting higher in the front with stock weight?

I have had 3 different sets of dobinsons coils and they all sat even front to back. Looked great unloaded but I got nervous with passengers and gear as rear was overrated in my opinion.
I am currently on 222v/223v. Dead even front to back.
Stock weight rig.
I switched from 220v to 222v in front because they were too soft for me.
I measured the same amount of lift with both 220v and 222v on the front.
HTH

 

[Greyota]

I have had 3 different sets of dobinsons coils and they all sat even front to back. Looked great unloaded but I got nervous with passengers and gear as rear was overrated in my opinion.
I am currently on 222v/223v. Dead even front to back.
Stock weight rig.
I switched from 220v to 222v in front because they were too soft for me.
I measured the same amount of lift with both 220v and 222v on the front.
HTH

Your center of hub to flare was the same with 220V and 222V?

 

[Surfdc]

Your center of hub to flare was the same with 220V and 222V?

Yes

 

[Greyota]

Yes

I don’t get why that would happen - I would have expected an inch of difference.

 

[Surfdc]

Why? They are both sold as a 2” lift coil. Just different loads:
The 220v 0-110lb.
The 222v 110-220lb.

True however that some get more lift out of a heavier rated coil, but I did not.
YMMV

 

[1hdft80]

Anyone happen to be running 35s on -22 offset rims with the 222v/223v combo? Much rubbing?
Cheers

 

[AnalogMS]

Anyone happen to be running 35s on -22 offset rims with the 222v/223v combo? Much rubbing?
Cheers

i'm on 35's with -25 16x8 SCS F5's and the only thing it rubs under a little suspension load with the wheel turned is the factory mud flap, i trimmed the inner corner of the mud flap and it seems to be fine now

 

[1hdft80]

i'm on 35's with -25 16x8 SCS F5's and the only thing it rubs under a little suspension load with the wheel turned is the factory mud flap, i trimmed the inner corner of the mud flap and it seems to be fine now

Ok I can deal with that, so no rubbing on full flex?

 

[AnalogMS]

Ok I can deal with that, so no rubbing on full flex?

i cant say for certain under full flex, i haven't had the opportunity to push it that hard yet. but the inner mud flap is really the only thing that protrudes out into the wheel arch, cant see anywhere else where it would rub.