Did I read that right? 96 and 97 use different filters. I know I read it right but Why? What is the difference in the same motor put in a 1996 and a 1997.
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To make it easier to replace the filter?
Nope I just bought 10 @ $37.50
Ten (10) 90915-YZZD1 Genuine Toyota Oil Filters w/ Drain Gaskets Avalon Camry | eBay
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Regarding litigation, a lawyer friend of mine asked a jury one time on a scale of 1-10 (1 being not enough and 10 being crippling to the nation) how lawsuits were being handled in our country. He said pretty much everyone is a 9 or a 10.
That's right up until you personally suffer pretty heavy damages from someone or come company that just shrugs it off and tells you to pack sand. All of a sudden a lawsuit seems to have some merit. Wix has insurance, internal and external counsel, and a budget for litigation.
If you had a business making oil filters, and one of yours failed and ruined some guy's engine, what would you do?
That's right up until you personally suffer pretty heavy damages from someone or come company that just shrugs it off and tells you to pack sand. All of a sudden a lawsuit seems to have some merit. Wix has insurance, internal and external counsel, and a budget for litigation.
If you had a business making oil filters, and one of yours failed and ruined some guy's engine, what would you do?
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Nope I just bought 10 @ $37.50
Ten (10) 90915-YZZD1 Genuine Toyota Oil Filters w/ Drain Gaskets Avalon Camry | eBay
Damn, I spent $30 for 5 at Amazon. Amazon.com: Toyota Genuine Parts 90915-YZZD3 Oil Filter 1/2 Case (QTY 5): Automotive
And I had to buy my drain plug gaskets separately.
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Nope I just bought 10 @ $37.50
Ten (10) 90915-YZZD1 Genuine Toyota Oil Filters w/ Drain Gaskets Avalon Camry | eBay
Great news but it shows the Cruiser uses YZZD3?
Put it on the end of a threaded barrel.
Just installed one yesterday. I'm thinking yours was botched during manufacture and you likely have a case to get the rebuild covered (at least partially).
If it were me I'd at least call up a lawyer to see what could be done. Normally I'm not the type to go for a lawsuit but in this case you have a significant loss which was caused by no fault of your own.
If it were me I'd at least call up a lawyer to see what could be done. Normally I'm not the type to go for a lawsuit but in this case you have a significant loss which was caused by no fault of your own.
Guess my cruisers are next
FWIW
Toyota 90915-YZZD1 - diameter: 2.92"; height: 3.38"; volume: .392 quart; media area: 160 sq in; efficiency unknown but mostly synthetic media so probably very good; flow unknown but probably good due to decent media area & synthetic media
Wix 51348 (Napa Gold FIL1348) - diameter: 2.921"; height: 3.404"; volume: .395 quart; media area: 104 sq in; efficiency: 50% of 21 micron; 95% of 37 micron; tiny media area will clog soon leading to bad flow & probably oil flow through bypass valve
Toyota 90915-YZZD3 - diameter: 2.92"; height: ~4.1"; volume: .476 quart; media area: 203 sq in; efficiency unknown but mostly synthetic media so probably very good; flow probably very good due to good media area & mostly synthetic media
Wix 51516 (Napa Gold FIL1516) - diameter: 2.921"; height: 4.828"; volume: .560 quart; media area: 178 sq in; efficiency: 50% of 14 micron; 95% of 31 micron; good flow
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At Caterpillar one of my colleagues ran the filter test lab. Probably had a millions of dollars worth of filter test benches. But all of the tests they ran were destructive. So yes you can test a filter but the filter is destroyed in the process. I was surprised to learn that to test filters you buy and use special "test dirt" from the ASTM.
Back in the early 80s CAT traced engine warranty issues to bad engine oil filters. My buddy worked this project. He got cases of filters out of the CAT parts system. He cut the new filters up and looked for internal defects and he found a lot of problems. At that time CAT used a couple of different big name filter suppliers. As I recall, Wix was not one of them.
CAT started doing inspection on filter shipments. We rejected entire lots of filters. The filters made for CAT were painted CAT yellow with CAT part numbers. We later found rejected lots that had been repainted and sold by aftermarket suppliers. You could still see the CAT logo thru the overspray paint job.
He also dissected and analyzed as many different filter brands as he could find. I gave him a factory Toyota filter for the 2F. He said it was one of the best designs he ever saw.
This situation was so bad that CAT started a joint venture with Donaldson and manufactured our own oil and air filters.
The OPs situation is a damned shame. Bear in mind that filters are a commodity item and a made with high speed mass production. There is no non-destructive test for individual filters. It all depends on how diligent the manufacturer is with its QC program.
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@NMC_EXP I'm surprised that big engines like that don't have parallel filters. On large ships the (diesel) fuel filters were multiple and parallel so that if one plugged the others could handle the load while the bad one was being serviced or cleaned. Likewise we had remote oil filter systems with flow rates next to them.
It was cake to shut one down, unscrew, rescrew, and open flow to it while the others shouldered a bit more burden.
The fuel filters were clear and you could just look in there and see what was going on, in addition to the pressure gauges on top of them.
It was cake to shut one down, unscrew, rescrew, and open flow to it while the others shouldered a bit more burden.
The fuel filters were clear and you could just look in there and see what was going on, in addition to the pressure gauges on top of them.
I was a non-metallic materials engineer and only had tangential involvement with engines. CAT made big stationary powerplants for gensets, locomotives and marine apps. Those engines had rows of filters on them. I do not believe they used parallel filters on the earth moving and on-hiway truck engines.
I wonder if there are more faulty filters in the lot that you got from O'Reilly's? My point being that if you just bought it recently and if you go back quickly and buy several more perhaps you could have a WIX representative to open all of them up and check them. If more bad ones are found, you might have a case. I know. It's a long shot.
FWIW I always use the big WIX 51773 "Dump Truck" filters on my 2F's. I'm not sure if they'd work for a 1FZ or not. They hold a ton of oil.
FWIW I always use the big WIX 51773 "Dump Truck" filters on my 2F's. I'm not sure if they'd work for a 1FZ or not. They hold a ton of oil.
Toyota changed the "listed" filter from 15600-41010 (the big fat one that dumps a quart of oil on the front axle housing when you remove it) to 90915-20004 which was half the size and had a synthetic filter media. Later on the 15600-41010 was discontinued and was replaced by the smaller filter. Then the 90915-20004 was in turn replaced by a cheaper paper element small filter made in Thailand. Since the vast majority buy on price-point as opposed to quality that's what happens.
The net result is all three work and are interchangeable. It would be reasonable to presume that aftermarket versions of either size that are claimed to be the same as the OEM should also be interchangeable.
On the other hand the aftermarket suppliers can always hide behind their application charts when they feel like it.
So will this filter work for the 97 80 series? 90915-YZZD1
I picked up a 5 pack of these last month on ebay and will be doing an oil change with one this weekend. Now I'm wondering if I should have gone with the 90915-YZZD3. I have used this filter in the past on my 80s with no issue and assumed it was the correct application for the 80 but maybe not?
Many major corporations hire outside counsel to do litigation claims. The cost of defending a suit starts at $100K.
