to pressurize the engine you would have to plug both the PCV (left side fo vavle cover) and the breather inlet (right side of vavle cover)
Help! Oil Gushing out of Engine! (1 Viewer)
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Beowulf said:
I replaced the Dizzy Cap. The grommet did fall apart, but I managed to break off each piece and remove it. I looking inside the holw tom make sure that there were not any pieces in there.
The screw is not inside the valve cover. It just rolled off the valve cover towards the firewall. I did not remove the valve cover. It's probably just a coincedence that the noise sounds like a loose screw.
I put the PCV valve in the same direction it came out. I can't see how a clogged PCV can create that much pressure.
Thanks for the pic RavenTai. Unless the head is cracked, there's nowhere for that oil to be spuing out. If it is a clogged oil filter, the oil is probably coming from the valve cover. It must have found the weakest place to spray out of as mentioned above.
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The PCV is OEM.
Would a valve cover gasket failure result in so much oil flow. Is there that much oil pressure under the valve cover?
I think it has to do with the oil filter. After the 1st time I lost all the oil, I removed and reinstalled the oil filter and the oil flow stopped. I'll replace the oil filter and see what happens.
Would a valve cover gasket failure result in so much oil flow. Is there that much oil pressure under the valve cover?
I think it has to do with the oil filter. After the 1st time I lost all the oil, I removed and reinstalled the oil filter and the oil flow stopped. I'll replace the oil filter and see what happens.
Maybe 2 gaskets for the oil filter stuck together? Seen it, done it, makes one hell of a mess. Like Pp states get that FRAM off of there, refill it with oil, use brake clean to clean up the area, dry it, then look very closely once running. No more time for talk, lets hear of your action.
Do replace it with a real one and DO NOT DISCARD the one you took off. IF the filter is a problem (it's a Fram so we know what that could mean) and your motor is wiped out, you may Have a teensy chance at getting Fram to help out in the engine replacement.
I would verify the old oil filter seal is not still on the block.
i second that emotion. see the mini-fiasco that honda has on its hands with the cr-v.cruiserman said:
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In the pic where the oil is running out, it appears to be quite a bit higher than the hole you show on the other pic, but also running out that hole too. Is it possible that it is spraying up there from the filter area?
Without going out to my truck to see exactly where that is, are you sure it is coming out of those holes? If there was enough pressure that the oil was pushing out some hole in the side of the engine, I would think the oil pressure would be high, not low.
Without going out to my truck to see exactly where that is, are you sure it is coming out of those holes? If there was enough pressure that the oil was pushing out some hole in the side of the engine, I would think the oil pressure would be high, not low.
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What would happen if the old oil filter seal was still on the engine? I'm assuming that the oil filter would not seal properly and you would get oil seeping from there, correct?
I can tell you for sure that the oil is not coming form the oil filter, anywhere from the block, or the head gasket. It looks to be coming from the head or higher and running down not spraying up.
So the worst case cenerio is that I have a cracked head. From what I'm hearing from you guys, there are no high pressure oil channels close to the observed location. So if the head is cracked, I would not get such a high pressure stream of oil. Also, I would assume with a cracked head the problem would be consistent. So far it's happened once before and went away (intermitent).
Can someone tell me if the oil pressure is normally very high under the valve cover? and is the oil filter the main path for the return oil?
I can tell you for sure that the oil is not coming form the oil filter, anywhere from the block, or the head gasket. It looks to be coming from the head or higher and running down not spraying up.
So the worst case cenerio is that I have a cracked head. From what I'm hearing from you guys, there are no high pressure oil channels close to the observed location. So if the head is cracked, I would not get such a high pressure stream of oil. Also, I would assume with a cracked head the problem would be consistent. So far it's happened once before and went away (intermitent).
Can someone tell me if the oil pressure is normally very high under the valve cover? and is the oil filter the main path for the return oil?
Rookie2 said:
yes all filters speced for this ap will have a bypass valve, dirty oil is better than no oil. IIRC on the fram filters the valve is plastic and many question if it truely seals. on the 20004 Toyota filters the valve is steel.
some chevy filters do not have a bypass valve in the filter, it is in the block instead.
I agree that the oil is coming from up top. He just can't see it due to the exhaust flange.
My guess is that it's coming from the valve cover gasket. I would think if you replace the oil filter and it's still doing it, you could crack the valve cover gasket and it should relieve whatever pressure is building up. That should tell you whether the pressure is causing it to leak from the valve cover or there's a massive failure of the head right there. Of course, you're left with finding out the culprit of the massive pressure buildup.
My guess is that it's coming from the valve cover gasket. I would think if you replace the oil filter and it's still doing it, you could crack the valve cover gasket and it should relieve whatever pressure is building up. That should tell you whether the pressure is causing it to leak from the valve cover or there's a massive failure of the head right there. Of course, you're left with finding out the culprit of the massive pressure buildup.
stacked oil filter gaskets may not seep... high-pressure spray onto the exhaust manifold is what you get in a honda cr-v.
aamiggia said:
from you last post this happend before and was stopped by retightening the filter? if so the filter has to be the source. replace tt now. it could be a small high velocity jet that you are not seeing until it hits something slows down and expands, not ecactly the best part of the engine to look at
there is presurized oil in the cams and in some places in the head, Robbie says not there. the open valve cove area has oil but not under pressure, oil retuns to the pan via gravity not the oil filter, oil is pumped through the filter from the pan to the end user components.
This is sounding like the filter, stop posting and start changing that oil filter. we coudl go round and round like this all day, it is time for you to do some troubleshooting. changing the filter is the quickest possile fix. if that is not it is will be elimated so we can move on.
a double gasket does more than seep, the origianl gasket gets pushed out of the way by oil because it is not supported by the filter liek the new gasket and maled a big hole for oil.
My idea. You thought the distributor was seated all the way originally and it may have been a little. It may have disengaged from the oil pump. The clicking could be it hitting the top of the oil pump. It could have caused low or little oil to go to the bearings and such causing the engine to overheat and crack the head causing the oil to gush out the crack. You said your wife was driving? How long did she drive it with the low oil light on. If you ran it with a full load of oil in it how long would it take to gush all out. It looks like a lot. I doubt a valve cover seal would cause this problem.
this is an overhead cam engine, distributor and oil pump are in diffrent parts of the engine.
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I do believe that you have a problem with oil filter. If replacing it, look to make sure that no O-ring is stuck on the block. If you have two seal, it will create the problem you have. I did not get that one of the pictures was oil flowing(really out of focus). good luck robbie
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Update.
DEFECTIVE F'n FRAM OIL FILTER!!!
The oil filter was very difficult to remove, once out it was obvious that the rubber seal had detached from the filter metal lip. The filter has a very thin rubber seal to begin with.
I guess I was wrong about where the oil was coming from. The gap was on the top of the filter and the oil was spraying torwards the head.
It looks like there is no obvious damage to the engine, although the wifey thinks she may have gone 10 km (6 miles) with the light on. There are no signs of damage, although I have yet to test drive it. I've just let it warm up to operating temp.
What should I look for regarding engine damage? Weird noises, oil smoke, coolant smoke?
DEFECTIVE F'n FRAM OIL FILTER!!!
The oil filter was very difficult to remove, once out it was obvious that the rubber seal had detached from the filter metal lip. The filter has a very thin rubber seal to begin with.
I guess I was wrong about where the oil was coming from. The gap was on the top of the filter and the oil was spraying torwards the head.
It looks like there is no obvious damage to the engine, although the wifey thinks she may have gone 10 km (6 miles) with the light on. There are no signs of damage, although I have yet to test drive it. I've just let it warm up to operating temp.
What should I look for regarding engine damage? Weird noises, oil smoke, coolant smoke?
The light indicates low level not pressure. How much oil did you have to put back in to get it full?
Oh, I hope you enjoyed saving a couple bucks by selecting that filter brand.....
Oh, I hope you enjoyed saving a couple bucks by selecting that filter brand.....
