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[TWILLY]

Teslas are pretty cheap to buy. A new Tesla Model 3 in California is as cheap as $25,240 after tax rebates. It's not free. But it's cheaper than almost every ICE car you can buy.

That and lower mileage used Model 3 prices have fallen to the low 20s since Hertz unloaded their fleet and Elon foisted politics upon the brand. I could run one from my solar — tempting.

 

[ryanjl]

Electric cars are getting cheaper and cheaper. Certainly by 2035 it will be to the point that if you cannot afford a new electric car, then you probably couldn't afford a new car generally.

Regardless, used ICE cars aren't restricted from sale in California as of 2035 - the law only prohibits the sale of new ICE cars.

 

[vraa]

Forget the 3, get a 2021 plaid like mine, you can grab one under 20k miles at huge huge discounts

1000hp

 

[SanJuanJ]

Everything is slated for extinction.

But first there has to be a practical, workable and cost effective replacement. There is not one today nor is there one on the horizon.

Very few people can afford a Tesla. It's a top 1% car for elites. That leaves 99% of us to reform laws and recall politicians. That is what we are doing in the EU. You might want to start soon here.

If you can afford a Land Cruiser or a 550, you can easily afford a Tesla. I'd never spend my money on anything that puts a cent in Elon's pocket, but that's a different conversation.

 

[Patassa]

Teslas are pretty cheap to buy. A new Tesla Model 3 in California is as cheap as $25,240 after tax rebates. It's not free. But it's cheaper than almost every ICE car you can buy. I think we're going to buy a Model Y to replace our RX350 in the next year or two. The model Y is cheaper than a similar Rav4.

Can't wait to see how California's infamous power grid holds up to all this new current draw. I'm sure they'll be ready for the new demand, no doubt the infrastructure is being built right now, on budget and ahead of schedule.

 

[Wildcat Walker]

1. How do you know what I know or have forgotten?

2. The root cause of a failure is the most important thing to understand in order to fix and prevent it from continuing to happen. You're bringing up lean, not understanding the root cause of a failure is in direct contradiction to lean.

3. Read the statement released from Toyota. "There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced. In the involved vehicles, this can lead to potential engine knocking, engine rough running, engine no start and/or a loss of motive power. "

4. If you're referring to some other problem, my point is there is a probability approaching zero that someone, even a mechanical engineer, looking at limited design specs and/or pictures on the internet could accurately predict failure occurring. They could guess, and be right, but anyone can do that.

5. A large portion of this board don't seem to understand that Toyota isn't changing their engine designs because they are bored, enjoy unnecessary complexity, or are too stupid to figure out how to design large displacement more powerful engines. They are forced into this by government policies that plenty of people here actually support, indirectly vote for, or are completely ignorant about.

1. A figure of speech based on your previous response. You performed no root cause analysis which is proven by your subsequent responses.

2. Concur. One aspect of LEAN is Kaizen or continuous improvement. The 8 step problem solving process does include root cause analysis (step #4). The Toyota statement tpu mention of a potential (key word) cause is NOT the same as determining the root cause which I beleive you have unknowingly identified.

3. Disagree. There's not enough information to determine this, and the fact that there is only one specific bearing failure (front main) seems to suggest a loading or material issue. This is my opinion based on the information provided in the videos. Note that this problem is not present on the 1UR-FE family of engines.

4. I'm not sure what your point is. Again, Genchi Genbutsu. There is insufficient evidence to pinpoint a specific failure mode, but enough to rule some things out. Note that this problem is not present on thr 1UR-FE family of engines.

5. I think you've found the root cause! When performing root cause analysis we use the "why" logical questioning process and you know you've gotten to the root cause when asking and answering the why question just once more becomes illogical. We can definitely take this issue to the government level when asking why.


I think it's important to everyone to get this information out there. In fact, I beleive it to be unethical to not inform our Toyota brethren. The voter and the consumer have unmatched power to shape their world, they either realize it too late, not at all, or they just don't care.

I think you and I have found common ground! And I hope that Toyota engineers can resolve this issue ASAP.

 

[UZJ100LC]

Everything is slated for extinction.

But first there has to be a practical, workable and cost effective replacement. There is not one today nor is there one on the horizon.

Very few people can afford a Tesla. It's a top 1% car for elites. That leaves 99% of us to reform laws and recall politicians. That is what we are doing in the EU. You might want to start soon here.

teslas are as expensive or cheaper than the average vehicle.

 

[jayp2]

teslas are as expensive or cheaper than the average vehicle.

I work with and know a bunch of people that own teslas and all they do is complain about how much time they are in being serviced, how poor the service is and how expensive stuff is/not avail

I'm thinking about a MT Corolla as a DD.....Possibly a WRX....its butt ugly but fun to drive, offers a MT, is simple to work on and you can disable the onboard nagging nanny

 

[Wildcat Walker]

I work with and know a bunch of people that own teslas and all they do is complain about how much time they are in being serviced, how poor the service is and how expensive stuff is/not avail

I'm thinking about a MT Corolla as a DD.....Possibly a WRX....its butt ugly but fun to drive, offers a MT, is simple to work on and you can disable the onboard nagging nanny

Since when was a corolla a $40k to $50k car? The issue again is the goverment forcing specific features and technologies down our throats by regulating the manufacturers. Imagine how fuel efficient and how much cheaper an economy car like a corolla would be if you could still get one with basic safety features and manual everything.

 

[Patassa]

1. A figure of speech based on your previous response. You performed no root cause analysis which is proven by your subsequent responses.

2. Concur. One aspect of LEAN is Kaizen or continuous improvement. The 8 step problem solving process does include root cause analysis (step #4). The Toyota statement tpu mention of a potential (key word) cause is NOT the same as determining the root cause which I beleive you have unknowingly identified.

3. Disagree. There's not enough information to determine this, and the fact that there is only one specific bearing failure (front main) seems to suggest a loading or material issue. This is my opinion based on the information provided in the videos. Note that this problem is not present on the 1UR-FE family of engines.

4. I'm not sure what your point is. Again, Genchi Genbutsu. There is insufficient evidence to pinpoint a specific failure mode, but enough to rule some things out. Note that this problem is not present on thr 1UR-FE family of engines.

5. I think you've found the root cause! When performing root cause analysis we use the "why" logical questioning process and you know you've gotten to the root cause when asking and answering the why question just once more becomes illogical. We can definitely take this issue to the government level when asking why.


I think it's important to everyone to get this information out there. In fact, I beleive it to be unethical to not inform our Toyota brethren. The voter and the consumer have unmatched power to shape their world, they either realize it too late, not at all, or they just don't care.

I think you and I have found common ground! And I hope that Toyota engineers can resolve this issue ASAP.

I have never been more baffled and confused by a response on this forum. I can't make sense of anything you're saying in the context of what I've said.

I think maybe you mis-read this original statement by me, because you've followed up by asking me to contradict my own statement. Otherwise, I guess you're claiming something different? Do you think that your degree gives you some special insight into this vehicle's design and reliability based on limited specs and information before the failures were even occurring?

"As a mechanical engineer, I can confidently say that unless you're designing, testing, and building very similar vehicles/working on very similar projects, there is little you can say that's of any value over anyone else, degreed or not. My degree and 15 years of industry experience has given me no special insight into this vehicle's design or reliability. Yee old arguments from authority."

 

[jayp2]

Since when was a corolla a $40k to $50k car? The issue again is the goverment forcing specific features and technologies down our throats by regulating the manufacturers. Imagine how fuel efficient and how much cheaper an economy car like a corolla would be if you could still get one with basic safety features and manual everything.

Its clearly NOT a 40k car.....yet

And I wholeheartedly agree with you on the mandatory features being packed into new cars that drive up cost and complexity/difficulty of servicing

But its not just government mandating it.....its manufacturers pushing BS into vehicles on one end and lobbying government for regulations to mandate them on the other end under the claim of "Safety" or the "Church of Global Warming"

 

[UZJ100LC]

I work with and know a bunch of people that own teslas and all they do is complain about how much time they are in being serviced, how poor the service is and how expensive stuff is/not avail

I'm thinking about a MT Corolla as a DD.....Possibly a WRX....its butt ugly but fun to drive, offers a MT, is simple to work on and you can disable the onboard nagging nanny

This is all anecdotal. My experience has been my Tesla has been extremely reliable and near zero maintenance. Many are reaching high mileages now with minimal maintenance. Similar to what my peers experience as well. No wonder they are now the best selling cars in the world

 

[jayp2]

This is all anecdotal. My experience has been my Tesla has been extremely reliable and near zero maintenance. Many are reaching high mileages now with minimal maintenance. Similar to what my peers experience as well. No wonder they are now the best selling cars in the world

Everything is anectdotal until its your car.

One buddy had his 3 hit by some dink in a parking lot.....it took 6 months to get parts

Another in a different part of the country is in and out/in and out of service and is constantly complaining about dumb crap

 

[M1911]

Since when was a corolla a $40k to $50k car? The issue again is the goverment forcing specific features and technologies down our throats by regulating the manufacturers. Imagine how fuel efficient and how much cheaper an economy car like a corolla would be if you could still get one with basic safety features and manual everything.

The Corolla starts at $22k. I just tried to build the most expensive version on Toyota.com and it topped out (without accessories) at ~$29.5k.

 

[Wildcat Walker]

The Corolla starts at $22k. I just tried to build the most expensive version on Toyota.com and it topped out (without accessories) at ~$29.5k.

Don't forget about those markups. You know, the one's that Toyota has no control over. Also, the GR...

 

[M1911]

Don't forget about those markups. You know, the one's that Toyota has no control over. Also, the GR...

The GR Corolla is something entirely different than the Corolla sedan.

At least around here, even the dealers that are putting $10k ADM on 2024 Land Cruiser FE's don't have any ADM on Corollas -- those buyers would just drive to nearest Honda dealer and by a Civic at MSRP instead. I can point you at $23k Corolla LE's on dealer websites all day long and twice Sunday.

 

[Surf123]

I work with and know a bunch of people that own teslas and all they do is complain about how much time they are in being serviced, how poor the service is and how expensive stuff is/not avail

I'm thinking about a MT Corolla as a DD.....Possibly a WRX....its butt ugly but fun to drive, offers a MT, is simple to work on and you can disable the onboard nagging nanny

I also have anecdotal experience knowing several Tesla owners who have not had any issues warranting being serviced. Tire life is a concern they have proof of and theirs seem to have shorter tire lifespans. I am thinking it might be due to the wait or the use of certain tires.

 

[jayp2]

I also have anecdotal experience knowing several Tesla owners who have not had any issues warranting being serviced. Tire life is a concern they have proof of and theirs seem to have shorter tire lifespans. I am thinking it might be due to the wait or the use of certain tires.

The tire life issue is related more to the behavior of the foot against the skinny pedal than anything else due to torque of electric drive

 

[cruiserdan]

 

[Phillyd2]

It takes a while but common sense usually finds it's way to the surface.