FJ40’s are relatively simple vehicles. Modern day cars are much more susceptible to age with computer modules that we can’t fix… once the parts dry up, it’s done.
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Fix my 200 all the time. Also keep a JDM spec hj61 with way lower sales numbers on the road… so. Excuses.
1MOA
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Toyota didn't post anything like that but......... they do remap the ECU for softer starts both on the engine side and the transmission. Specifically on the transmission they slow the pressure to the accumulator valve the TCC valve and the boost valve to impart softer starts and gentle(er) shifts.
Any source?
1MOA
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The Toyota TSB's from 2015 on reference the mapping changes for rebuilding the A750F and how the ECU is used to compensate.
I’ll look it up. Thanks
Hiluxforever
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Moderators?
Can we keep this J250 relevant.
Can we keep this J250 relevant.
thank you OP your post helps. I’m coming from one 80 94 LC, 2 4 runners, 3 FJs, and one Tacoma. Needless say my expectations are high, I have been eyeing a 24 FE, hoping to pull the trigger soon.
I doubt many would die on the hill of "the 250 is just as good as the 300." Cleary the 300 (like the 200 before it) was built to a higher spec with beefier parts. As I mentioned, I would prefer a 300. However, I do not want to drive a Lexus.
My 250 has impressed me and I expect that it will continue to do so. To assume failure is inevitable is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It seems that those that don't like the 250, don't want to like the 250. They would prefer it fail than have to admit that it is a capable vehicle and worthy of being called a Land Cruiser. Don't worry that Toyota has been making a "light duty Land Cruiser" for years and years. No one complained that they were called Land Cruisers until the 300 wasn't available in the US.
Maybe Toyota will issue a recall for all LC250s and add a "Prado" badge below the Land Cruiser badge to end all of the hang wringing?
My 250 has impressed me and I expect that it will continue to do so. To assume failure is inevitable is cutting off your nose to spite your face. It seems that those that don't like the 250, don't want to like the 250. They would prefer it fail than have to admit that it is a capable vehicle and worthy of being called a Land Cruiser. Don't worry that Toyota has been making a "light duty Land Cruiser" for years and years. No one complained that they were called Land Cruisers until the 300 wasn't available in the US.
Maybe Toyota will issue a recall for all LC250s and add a "Prado" badge below the Land Cruiser badge to end all of the hang wringing?
I've been doing this Land Cruiser thing since the very late 70s.Its so funny seeing the wannabe oligarch 200 series owners, claiming the new Land Cruiser 250 "doesn't live up to the Landcruiser name"They are constantly trolling the LC250 FB pages and forums. Don't make it so obvious you have no life and need justification to remain relevant.
When the 60 Series came out, the 40 guys called it a station wagon, not an LC.
When the 62 Series came out the 60 guys said that "real" LCs had manual transmissions.
When the 80 Series came out, I heard "real" LCs have leaf springs.
When the 100 Series came out, the 80 guys said, "real" LCs have solid axles.
It has always been this way and will likely continue. Drive what you like.
The "best" Land Cruiser is the one in your driveway.
I loved my 62 & both my 100s. Their size and drivetrains were nice.
I never quite enjoyed the 200 for its heaviness and difficult braking. I hated my 2020 4ROP for all the reasons mentioned previously and it’s steering wobble that wouldn’t go away.
My 250 is a wonderful rig and it grows on me the more and more I drive it. It has some quirks, sure, but the goods outweigh those in my book.
So the Landcruiser you have is always gonna be the best one. If a 300 GR had been sold here for $95-100, I would have definitely bought it. But I’m throughly okay with the 250, especially at its price point compared to the alternatives.
I never quite enjoyed the 200 for its heaviness and difficult braking. I hated my 2020 4ROP for all the reasons mentioned previously and it’s steering wobble that wouldn’t go away.
My 250 is a wonderful rig and it grows on me the more and more I drive it. It has some quirks, sure, but the goods outweigh those in my book.
So the Landcruiser you have is always gonna be the best one. If a 300 GR had been sold here for $95-100, I would have definitely bought it. But I’m throughly okay with the 250, especially at its price point compared to the alternatives.
Yep.
I grew up with a variety of Land Cruisers. I’m 51, and I’ve driven an 80 since I was 17. Driving a nimble brick from the get go surely colors one’s perceptions of trucks.
I was (and still am) bummed about the 250’s capacities, but I’m pretty confident it’ll stand up to the test of time as a generational all-roader, in true Land Cruiser form.
It’s not what I’d have designed, but I’m not corporate Toyota. I don’t face the bottom lime. And, I like the 250 far more than the hopelessly bloated 200. They’re on the right track. Like it or not, the 250 is of its time.
Will it make a hell of a lot of memories for families and friends getting out into the wild then getting home safe, for decades? I think it will, and that’s what matters.
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This is a good thread...I'd like to add that the new 250 does something no other Land cruiser did. On a recent trip from Vermont to Boston, I averaged 26.1 miles per gallon. This is in a 1958 series with stock skinny tires...AC was on the entire trip. The drive train is "similar to the 80 series, a bit under powered and a bit noisy....more diesel like, but like LC's of old, very adequate.
I have owned several LC's throughout the years including the 100 and 200 series...I still have a 40 and 80 series, just for fun. I have to say that I did not like the 200 series and traded it after 1 year...the 100 was much better...drove it into the ground.
Just my experiences...
I have owned several LC's throughout the years including the 100 and 200 series...I still have a 40 and 80 series, just for fun. I have to say that I did not like the 200 series and traded it after 1 year...the 100 was much better...drove it into the ground.
Just my experiences...
What I would ask of the Lexus/250 owners is to post the issues experienced so folks can get an understanding of cost to maintain/things that have/will fail
As I understand it there was a tsb/recall for a brake issue, windshields splitting up the middle in center so far.
A friend with the lexus has had issues with the "key" but that mostly appears to be a failure to set it up initially at the dealership but does speak to the complexity of the vehicle.
The above lexus owner waited for 6 mos because windshields were back ordered and couldnt get the state inspection of the vehicle because of the mess due to parts not being avail
As I understand it there was a tsb/recall for a brake issue, windshields splitting up the middle in center so far.
A friend with the lexus has had issues with the "key" but that mostly appears to be a failure to set it up initially at the dealership but does speak to the complexity of the vehicle.
The above lexus owner waited for 6 mos because windshields were back ordered and couldnt get the state inspection of the vehicle because of the mess due to parts not being avail
I've owned two 200's, three 5th Gen 4Runners, two FJC's, a Tacoma, and three GX's, soon to be four when our Over Trail arrives. The 200's were always our favorite and hands down the best vehicle that Toyota/Lexus has put on the road. I agree, if the GR spec 300 Land Cruiser had come to the states in 2022 or 2023 we would 100% have one in the driveway, if not two. But they didn't, so we groveled and moved on. I thought I'd miss the 200, but once it was gone, I realized how dated it was in interior design and tech and just how awful the brakes were. I broke two CV's in our 2020; it does happen.
While we are excited to have a new Over Trail in the garage here shortly, we are under no impression or misconception that it's of the same build quality and durability as the 200, because it's not. That said, they look better than the LX and cost a whole lot less, so what's not to love?
While we are excited to have a new Over Trail in the garage here shortly, we are under no impression or misconception that it's of the same build quality and durability as the 200, because it's not. That said, they look better than the LX and cost a whole lot less, so what's not to love?
joseywales
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Yup, it’s a good thread once you hit “ignore” on a couple of people. The constant need for 200 owners to come to the 250 section to do nothing but bash and complain is getting really old.
My 1958 with 2.5” lift and 275/70 18s is the perfect balance of refinement (I have no idea where all the North Vietnamese Hamsters are that the 200 owners rant about), and capability packed in a more affordable (than new 200/300 are/were) platform. Mine doesn’t say Prado anywhere on it, so I don’t call it that. Much like I didn’t call my 4Runner a “Surf”, or my Golf a “Polo”. It is fine if people didn’t get exactly what they wanted (where’s my TDI?), but the ship has sailed. Let it go…
Hiluxforever
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I think if they realized they were just telegraphing their own insecurities maybe they would stop.
How this 6th gen Runner design came to be I'll never understand.
Failure from top to bottom.
Another reoccurring complaint was that "real" LCs have inline six engines. Granted, the straight 6 and solid axles were common features for 40 years.
I remember one guy wrote a scathing screed about the 100 series and its V8 right after this model was released, calling it nothing more than a Sequoia and that any guy who would buy one (to paraphrase) must be a homosexual. Alas, now there are many Cruiser heads bemoaning the loss of said V8.
Such a new rig, I'd hope there aren't any "issues" coming up so soon! Windshields split up the middle?
