First 550 off the line (1 Viewer)

[TheLCProject]

Check out the failure of the adhesive bonding the hood skin to the hood frame on the brand new 70 in the link below. I'd expect that after 200k miles - but not 500 miles. I would love to hear what folks like @OGBeno and others that have been to these plants would say about issues like that and what it could signal for more critical elements of the end product and production process.



By biggest concern is that the Toyota of the 90s and 00s isn't the Toyota of today - which we know is true, but how far have they strayed and how many pennies have they pinched?

 

[BlckHwk23]

Furthermore the 2021 4Runner is rated at 17 MPG, not 22.

Just because it’s rated at that amount doesn’t mean it can’t get over it. I have never owned a vehicle that I didn’t average at least the highway numbers while city driving. It’s all comes down to how your drive the vehicle. As long as you aren’t screaming from stop light to stop light like most people, and you subscribe to the “accelerator pedal as a brake” philosophy you’ll exceed EPA ratings too.

 

[APIOQM]

Just because it’s rated at that amount doesn’t mean it can’t get over it. I have never owned a vehicle that I didn’t average at least the highway numbers while city driving. It’s all comes down to how your drive the vehicle. As long as you aren’t screaming from stop light to stop light like most people, and you subscribe to the “accelerator pedal as a brake” philosophy you’ll exceed EPA ratings too.

For sure, but we have to compare apples with apples, otherwise that 27 MPG could be 32.

 

[joseywales]

I don’t speak litres, but in the USA the original estimate was 27 mpg, but they have since dropped it to 23. The Canadian website still shows the original 27 number. It‘s possible the EPA and Transport Canada use different standards, but not THAT different. It’s more likely Toyota Canada hasn’t updated things yet.

The 4Runner I configured was $60k. If the 1958 is $70, I’ll still do it, but at $75 or $80k I’m out.

EPA numbers are always optimistic. The 22 mpg, if you actually read my post, was real world numbers from a neighbors TRD PRO. Yes, he is an older gentleman, but his truck is tastefully modded (AT tires etc). All these numbers are moot to a point, as everyone drives differently and mods differently. I run 33s on a 3” mostly, and drive like a hooligan, so no matter what I’m in, I’ll be getting less than the majority anyway.

 

[Knowbuddy]

I don’t speak litres, but in the USA the original estimate was 27 mpg, but they have since dropped it to 23. The Canadian website still shows the original 27 number. It‘s possible the EPA and Transport Canada use different standards, but not THAT different. It’s more likely Toyota Canada hasn’t updated things yet.

The 4Runner I configured was $60k. If the 1958 is $70, I’ll still do it, but at $75 or $80k I’m out.

EPA numbers are always optimistic. The 22 mpg, if you actually read my post, was real world numbers from a neighbors TRD PRO. Yes, he is an older gentleman, but his truck is tastefully modded (AT tires etc). All these numbers are moot to a point, as everyone drives differently and mods differently. I run 33s on a 3” mostly, and drive like a hooligan, so no matter what I’m in, I’ll be getting less than the majority anyway.

Who has dropped it to 23mpg? A source would be nice.

 

[TWILLY]

I don’t speak litres, but in the USA the original estimate was 27 mpg, but they have since dropped it to 23. The Canadian website still shows the original 27 number. It‘s possible the EPA and Transport Canada use different standards, but not THAT different. It’s more likely Toyota Canada hasn’t updated things yet.

The 4Runner I configured was $60k. If the 1958 is $70, I’ll still do it, but at $75 or $80k I’m out.

EPA numbers are always optimistic. The 22 mpg, if you actually read my post, was real world numbers from a neighbors TRD PRO. Yes, he is an older gentleman, but his truck is tastefully modded (AT tires etc). All these numbers are moot to a point, as everyone drives differently and mods differently. I run 33s on a 3” mostly, and drive like a hooligan, so no matter what I’m in, I’ll be getting less than the majority anyway.

Source?

Also, I’m pleased to see people still discussing fuel efficiency.

Carry on.

 

[lndshark]

I don’t speak litres, but in the USA the original estimate was 27 mpg, but they have since dropped it to 23. The Canadian website still shows the original 27 number. It‘s possible the EPA and Transport Canada use different standards, but not THAT different. It’s more likely Toyota Canada hasn’t updated things yet.

The 4Runner I configured was $60k. If the 1958 is $70, I’ll still do it, but at $75 or $80k I’m out.

EPA numbers are always optimistic. The 22 mpg, if you actually read my post, was real world numbers from a neighbors TRD PRO. Yes, he is an older gentleman, but his truck is tastefully modded (AT tires etc). All these numbers are moot to a point, as everyone drives differently and mods differently. I run 33s on a 3” mostly, and drive like a hooligan, so no matter what I’m in, I’ll be getting less than the majority anyway.

Environment Canada no longer performs testing for fuel economy and emissions and has since adopted what is submitted to US EPA from manufacturers. The 550 series has yet to be certified by EPA and CARB. I'm sure the final powertrain tuning is still ongoing at this point so fuel economy results are bound to change. I would think that Toyota will be submitting the final emissions tier and fuel economy numbers to EPA shortly. Until that data is submitted and reviewed by EPA (and CARB), the numbers will be anyone's guess.

 

[Wildcat Walker]

I don’t speak litres, but in the USA the original estimate was 27 mpg, but they have since dropped it to 23. The Canadian website still shows the original 27 number. It‘s possible the EPA and Transport Canada use different standards, but not THAT different. It’s more likely Toyota Canada hasn’t updated things yet.

The 4Runner I configured was $60k. If the 1958 is $70, I’ll still do it, but at $75 or $80k I’m out.

EPA numbers are always optimistic. The 22 mpg, if you actually read my post, was real world numbers from a neighbors TRD PRO. Yes, he is an older gentleman, but his truck is tastefully modded (AT tires etc). All these numbers are moot to a point, as everyone drives differently and mods differently. I run 33s on a 3” mostly, and drive like a hooligan, so no matter what I’m in, I’ll be getting less than the majority anyway.

Whyn not just get a new 460 for $52k-$65k? Proven, parts already available, better looking.

 

[joseywales]

Whyn not just get a new 460 for $52k-$65k? Proven, parts already available, better looking.

I just about spewed my beverage all over the place. “Better looking”???? There is no way I would be caught dead in any of the Lexus cars post 100 series. They are all hideous Japanamation things. I like cars and trucks to look like vehicles, not Cylon invasion fleet vehicles.

 

[joseywales]

Who has dropped it to 23mpg? A source would be nice.

Read it here on ‘Mud in the 250 thread, so you know it must be true?


It came up in the Wait List or Photo threads a couple of months back I believe. I don’t give enough schitz to go back through all that and dig it out, but I recall seeing confirmation.

If it does end up coming in at 27, I’ll be thrilled. I’m just not believing all the hype until I see it. We were on a similar merry-go-round when we ordered a new Bronco Wildtrak for my wife to DD. Whole lot of disappointment came out of that, so I’m not getting too excited.

 

[Wildcat Walker]

I just about spewed my beverage all over the place. “Better looking”???? There is no way I would be caught dead in any of the Lexus cars post 100 series. They are all hideous Japanamation things. I like cars and trucks to look like vehicles, not Cylon invasion fleet vehicles.

You better not glance at an Infiniti, your head might implode. Sure, there is a Japanese element to the styling of these vehicles, it's what makes them look Japanese. In your opinion, what looks like a "vehicle"? Maybe you should go buy something out of Detroit.

 

[M1911]

You better not glance at an Infiniti, your head might implode. Sure, there is a Japanese element to the styling of these vehicles, it's what makes them look Japanese. In your opinion, what looks like a "vehicle"? Maybe you should go buy something out of Detroit.

He isn’t the only one to hate the spindle grille on the GX460. In my opinion, the spindle grille only works on the LC coupe. I take my SUV off-road and I hate the fact that the 460 grille significantly reduces approach angle.

I test drove the 460 three times and it just didn’t work for me. The third row takes up a significant amount of room when folded, such that the 460 only has 60 cu ft of cargo room with the 2nd and 3rd row folded. In contrast, the 5th gen has 80 cu ft with the 2nd row folded.

The GX 460’s barn door is a love or hate thing. I’m in the hate camp.

I also found that the 460 had poor visibility to the rear and rear 3/4s. Also, I found the seat bottom cushion to be uncomfortable for me. YMMV.

The GX 550 looks like it has fixed a lot of the issues that I had with the 460. I look forward to test driving one when they start arriving at dealers.

 

[Knowbuddy]

Read it here on ‘Mud in the 250 thread, so you know it must be true?


It came up in the Wait List or Photo threads a couple of months back I believe. I don’t give enough schitz to go back through all that and dig it out, but I recall seeing confirmation.

If it does end up coming in at 27, I’ll be thrilled. I’m just not believing all the hype until I see it. We were on a similar merry-go-round when we ordered a new Bronco Wildtrak for my wife to DD. Whole lot of disappointment came out of that, so I’m not getting too excited.

That’s what I thought you were referencing. Some random guy asking some 3rd party marketing team from Toyota @ Cruiserfest in Salt Lake City. None of that team would have said a word about mileage and the Toyota staff that was in attendance also wouldn’t. It’s a bunch of bologna. Toyota has never back tracked on the mpg and until they officially do it’s a moot conversation.

 

[Brown98LC]

They have a saying in the GCC
never take advice from someone who owns a GX 460

because for that money they could have bought a 200 ( heck the GX 460 now brand new here is more expensive than some 300s )

Please no one be offended by this, it is just a joke but I have heard it before lol.

 

[Jstawgn]

They have a saying in the GCC
never take advice from someone who owns a GX 460

because for that money they could have bought a 200 ( heck the GX 460 now brand new here is more expensive than some 300s )

Please no one be offended by this, it is just a joke but I have heard it before lol.

GXOR movement start in US after the off lease GX start becoming abundant. The price are much lower than comparable 4Runner and people finding out most of the parts are interchangeable. So to your point, yes the cost is what makes used GX attractive in US.

 

[joseywales]

You better not glance at an Infiniti, your head might implode. Sure, there is a Japanese element to the styling of these vehicles, it's what makes them look Japanese. In your opinion, what looks like a "vehicle"? Maybe you should go buy something out of Detroit.

And maybe you should mind your own business. I’m not telling you what to drive. You’re new here, so I’ll give you a little insight. Those of us that have been here close to 20 years enjoy a little “spirited banter”, and use the now famous “ ‘Mud salute” ( ) without feeling the need to take it too personally.

As for what looks like a vehicle and not a spaceship wanna-be? See below:

 

[Brown98LC]

GXOR movement start in US after the off lease GX start becoming abundant. The price are much lower than comparable 4Runner and people finding out most of the parts are interchangeable. So to your point, yes the cost is what makes used GX attractive in US.

I totally get why someone would get a GX.
Honestly the 200 is too heavy and cumbersome to daily.
I only realised after driving the 300.

You guys also only got fully loaded 200s.
We have different trim levels with prices being cheaper than GX for certain trim levels.

 

[M1911]

I totally get why someone would get a GX.
Honestly the 200 is too heavy and cumbersome to daily.
I only realised after driving the 300.

I daily my 200. Yes, it is a pig, but it’s doable.

 

[Brown98LC]

I daily my 200. Yes, it is a pig, but it’s doable.

Oh yeah that's a good way to describe how it feels to drive my 570 after the 300.

Still think the 200 is better built though (not saying mechanically - but just what how it's screwed together) than a 300 but that's for a whole different thread...

 

[Roody]

I'm podcasting with Larry Chen on the 21st. Will ask him when it was filmed then.

As promised, albeit a few weeks late (and with a shameless plug for my podcast):

Off the Road Again Podcast: Episode 201 - Larry Chen Returns! We discuss his Tundra, FJ, GX, 200, and his adventures in photography and videography in the automotive world in which he explores GT-Rs, visits @cruiseroutfit , films the first GX550 off the line, and more!




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