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dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?

Discussion in '60-Series Wagons' started by norsk, Dec 13, 2011.

  1. norsk

    norsk SILVER Star

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    5535.34 Feet in Utah Mountains

    This has turned into a whole vehicle build thread now and not just an engine swap. So I have logged work I have done on the rig, issues, solutions and links to other resources, as well as my parts costs, etc.

    From May 2008 to Dec 2012 (when the 2F died), usage activities for this rig have been: for DD, a couple trips to Canyonlands Utah, camping up in the mountains and the like.
    Hauling stuff and for the ride. Love a manual tranny

    FUTURE uses (once I get it back together again - is that possible?): Longer trips in the western US background, mostly Utah

    Since I am an old software geek (same age as Bill Gates, but much poorer) and engineer things, I have planned the project, researched it and then modified it over time as reality comes between the eyes or new options come to light. So I might have too much detail, but this is my thread. Deal with it.

    Suggestions and criticisms are welcome to be considered. (And I have considered many and changed my plan several times from such)

    THREAD's TABLE OF CONTENTS - links to various topics of the thread/build - hope this is useful

    Goal, Table of Contents and prior history of what I did dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Powertrain bill of goods, parts to get dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    TODO Task List dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Original post (2011) on engine rebuild dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Discussion on engine design dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Block at machine stop dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Block BACK from machine stop dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Painted block dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Day I lost the 2F dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Stripping down the 2F dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    350 CAM and chain installed dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    2F gets pulled dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Tranny and TC are out dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Cleaned engine bay dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    NV4500 vs Ranger Overdrive adapter discussion dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Front fenders, et al off , BODY LIFT starts dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Front frame getting cleaned and painted dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Roof RUST FOUND, headliner removal dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Underbody cleaning and Rust Bullet dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Moulding anchors search dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Rear C channel clean up (lots of work to do this) dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Underbody painting w/Rust Bullet dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Fenders and et al, sandblasted dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Fenders and et al, painted dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    More engine work dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Took off doors and began renewal on them dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Tail hatch work dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Window regulators dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    ZEP 505 Cleanser is great dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    More underbody painting dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    30mm floor plugs problem and a source found dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    2nd head order, and fan discussion dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    V belt vs single belt discussion dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    More engine parts installed dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Axle cleaning and painting dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    power steering dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Mechanical fan issues with Ranger adapter dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Painted engine bay, front axle and cowl rust spots dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Zinc plating on old bolts/nuts dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Start Transfercase rebuild with kit dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    and dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Tool for measuring TC preload in-lbs dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Start of Front axle rebuild dougbert's future 350 swap: How much torque is too much?
    Rebuilding the AISIN locking hub https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-18#post-9285623
    Start of Ranger OD installed (NOTE: MEASURE the tranny input bearing prior to ordering) https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-18#post-9297330
    Installed flywheel on engine https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-19#post-9309938
    Finished left front axle/knuckle rebuild https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-19#post-9313143
    Finished Ranger install with tranny and transfercase https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-20#post-9322686
    Exhaust system discussion 2.5 inch from headers to Y, then 3 inch all the way out https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-20#post-9341087
    What I learned on rear drum parts kits READ THIS if you doing your rear brakes https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-21#post-9353052
    Putting powertrain together and into engine bay https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-21#post-9368412
    Firewall wiring upgrade https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-23#post-9395859
    Revisit of spark plug wires and Ram Horn manifolds https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9412161
    Installing radiator support panel https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9417309
    Installing Mean Green Alt, PS pulley, WP pulley and spark plug heat socks https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9420258
    Fix alt mis-alignment https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9423328
    Driver's fender and radiator cleanup with install https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9427160
    Mechanical Fan installation - barely fits: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9430319
    Electrical relay enclosure design/install: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-24#post-9430331
    Battery schematic: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-26#post-9452202
    2" to 2.5" Exhaust with Flowmaster Delta 50 installation: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-26#post-9456573
    Final Throttle setup: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-27#post-9487776
    ENGINE STARTED: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-28#post-9489206
    used lifter issue-ordered SOME new ones: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-28#post-9492661
    Bad Water pump, new one needed: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-29#post-9529077
    Quadrajet rebuild/assembly: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-29#post-9550057
    Electric fuel pump - Holley HP150 and support parts: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-30#post-9668499
    Major body work and paint begun: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-31#post-9772009
    Rear cargo windows install https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/do...orque-is-too-much.541922/page-33#post-9881889


    I acquired the rig in May 2008 for $2500. 189,000 miles on it.
    I put 49,000 miles on it until the engine went out, Dec 2012 (seen later on this thread)

    After buying it, it Immediately needed:

    2F Specific mods/fixes (things that no longer apply since the 2F is now GONE):
    New clutch pressure plate, disc, throwout bear, etc
    New oil (old oil was very lumpy) and filter, changed again in 500 miles for flushing of bad oil
    New coolant (Moab Red did NOT seem right color for coolant) after a BIG flush
    (those last 2 items and others hints, indicated to me that PO's did NOT take care of the rig.
    I believe that is why the engine block later died at 238k miles)
    New coolant hoses throughout

    Body specific mods/fixes that outlast the 2F engine = they are still on the rig:

    rear pinon bearing broke, and replaced
    Had rear axle rebuilt with new bearings and seals (from Kurt at CruiserOutfitters.com)
    Front pinon bearing replace
    New OME shocks
    New steering stablizer

    Over the next several years I did or bought the following:

    2F Specific mods/fixes (things that no longer apply since the 2F is now GONE):

    New water pump.
    New thermostat and gaskets
    new vac lines
    Removed air pump and installed JimC's idler pulley
    JimC Dizzy rework a used 2nd dizzy I sent him.
    Bought a 2nd head, had it rebuilt with SS valves (as per JimC's counsel), oil galley, rocker arm serviced and swapped in on a saturday
    6-to-1 header
    New muffler
    Trollhole carb (bought a second for a spare)
    Radiator shroud 2 piece mod

    Body/frame specific mods/fixes that outlast the engine:

    New aftermarket radiator.
    OME EMU Lift
    Saginaw PS installed
    New Clutch MC and Slave
    Painted the top of the hood - it REALLY needed it, as it was peeling
    Refreshed the Herculiner that some PO put on the sides.
    Steering gear box reworked at Texas Steering
    New rebuilt brake booster
    New brake MC and flush
    New pads in front and brakes in rear
    200 Amp Mean Green Alternator
    Fixed driver footwell rust rot
    Cruiser C-r-a-p installed on floor, got quieter
    ARB Rear Air-Locker
    Install FJ62 4.11 third members, front and rear
    Cleaned up rear cargo area, rear seat, and new rear cargo carpet
    Fab'ed my new headlight harness (now have 14.4 volts at lights instead of 8.6v)
    Fog lights
    Off road lights on roof
    Improved electrical system, better wires, grounding, etc.
    Had front knuckles rebuilt, new bearings and seals
    Added to the A pillar, a 4 gauge strip. Physical Water temp gauge, Vac gauge, Fuel mixture. Future Oil pressure
    Installed HAM radio

    Bunch of other stuff which I forget what I did.

    As can be seen, I didn't know much about Cruisers back then because of how much repair I had to do it BUT.....

    I view that as ALL TUITION well spent for my education of LandCruisers

    Then I lost the 2F, I sold all the "good" rebuilt/new parts from that engine to help fund the SBC

    While it is down, I miss it terribly. BUT I am having fun rebuilding it. Not too fancy car looks,
    but to utilitarian function - I drive through A LOT of scrub oak, which scratched the old paint job something terrible, so I extended the old Herculiner from 1/3 the way up to all the way up to the windows. It protects so much better.

    I want a off road 4x4 truck that can take the work, and keep running for some time.

    **************************************** Original post *************************

    Ok, it is time to ask some questions on a 350 swap for my fj60.

    I have been researching building my own engine from a donor block for some time. I have wanted to do this since I was a teenager, and I am NOT getting younger. So I have been: Reading, asking and calculating.

    I am starting with a 1983 chev truck 4-bolt main block, of which I will reuse the block and the Quadrajet carb (which I am rebuilding). Everything else will be bought new. My first choice is a 383 with 4.040 bore (block is already at 4.030). Then my second choice is just the 350 at 4.040 bore.

    My goal is to build a torquer with good low to mid torgue and low RPM target. I don't want to run the rig above 85 (lol). I have also purchased the Dyno Sim5 computer program to compare different configurations. This will go into my FJ60 with a NV4500 tranny, NP241 TC and a 14 bolt rear diff, all like lehiguy's rig.

    I am choosing the following parts:

    new version of GM Bowtie Vortec heads, small runners
    Edelbrock Vortec spread bore intake
    roller cam CompCams x4270HR (220/224 @.050) 111LSA .474 lift

    The Sim5 gives the following - one for the 383 and one for the 350 - numbers:

    TQ 493 @ 2500 sea level (403 @ 2500 5500ft)
    HP 383 @ 5000 sea level (313 @ 5000 5500ft)

    TQ 522 @ 2000 sea level (426 @ 2000 5500 ft)
    HP 373 @ 4500 sea level (304 @ 4500 5500 ft)

    Given these are just sims, they do provide relative comparisons.

    So my question becomes: How much torque is too much for a FJ60?

    Pics below is the dirty block in the back of the 60 on the way to the machinist. My plan is to have it worked over the next 4-5 months (Scott at Provo Utah's Charlies, will work on it in idle time and I will pay over that duration).

    UPDATE: It took 12 months

    thought to at least post a pic of the rig itself. The hood is the first part to be cleaned up and painted. Other portions will be painted - rear hatch is in process.

    View attachment 917943

    pic is the donor motor before I tore it down

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    Quick peek: After engine had been rebuilt and new parts added:

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    Last edited: Aug 31, 2015
  2. norsk

    norsk SILVER Star

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    5535.34 Feet in Utah Mountains

    Pic of completed engine, followed by Parts list and sources
    rebuilt engine.jpg

    Updated: 13 April 2015

    Free: 1973 4-bolt main 350 block.
    Manufactured: 10 Aug 1973

    Reusing: block, crank, rods, carb and flywheel. Thats all that will be original.
    All other parts will be purchased new, with a few used.

    $1500: Machine costs. Went with a 350ci (5.7L) target with .060" over for a 360ci (5.9L) engine.

    Balanced throughout. Bore aligned with torque plate in place.

    $1384: Ranger Overdrive http://www.summitracing.com/parts/add-760024m-27/overview/
    $520 Head: GM Bowtie small runner vortecs http://www.jegs.com/i/GM Performance/809/25534421/10002/-1
    $515: GM Bowtie head, Free shipping http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Performance/809/25534421/10002/-1?parentProductId=955896
    $316: 16 - Comp Cams 1617-1 Self-Aligning Ultra Pro Mangnum Roller Rockers http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-1617-16/
    $305: Comp Cams roller cam lifters - (used for a Dyno Test)
    $277: MSD Chevy 8360 Ready-to-Run Dizzy ($50 off with coupon) http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...vy-v8-w-module-8360/17350185-P?zoneAssigned=1
    $275: Comp Cams 12-409-8 Extreme 4x4 Retro Hyd roller CAM
    $250: Rebuild kit for Transfer Case - rebuild it myself http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/engineparts.html
    $242: Comp Cams 310 3-piece Timing Cover, can adjust/change CAM without distubing oil pan. Also more solid for cam thrust button
    $231: Centerforce II Pressure Plate 11 inch CFT165552 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CIQP72/?tag=ihco-20
    $200: Rebuild kit for QuadraJet carb
    $190: Harmonic balancer
    $155: Intake: Profession Products 52007- vortec intake $155 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professiona...Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e78f12d8c&vxp=mtr
    $140: 2 Proform MLS head gaskets http://www.ebay.com/itm/1142-Fel-Pr...Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c6d043276&vxp=mtr
    $128: Pushrods http://www.jegs.com/i/COMP Cams/249/7955-16/10002/-1
    $110: Block hugger headers 1.5" primaries to 2" collector
    $105: GM Clutch Disk 10 spline 383735, 11 inch disc, 1-1/8 inch dia shaft http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CISMS2/?tag=ihco-20
    $105: composite dizzy gear http://www.jegs.com/i/Comp Cams/249/12200/10002/-1?CAPCID=32103742751&cadevice=c&gclid=CIXl_cK9mLsCFYUWMgodf3cAmA&CA_6C15C=230006180000140600
    $99: Air intake plenum for carb http://www.spectreperformance.com/search/product.aspx?prod=9849
    $88: 3HP Starter http://www.ebay.com/itm/350783930097
    $85: Chevy Bellhousing 460486 cast number, ebay
    $80: TC linkage bushings and misc parts. Old is VERY loose and bushings are missing, AND Shipping from SOR. Very tight now.
    $79: ARP Head bolts http://www.allensfasteners.com/detail.asp?Product_ID=ARP-134-3703
    $77: MSD plug wires http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000COUMY8/?tag=ihco-20
    $75: rear tranny mount - the old one is almost 30 years old #EGM61030R http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/engineparts.html
    $75: Stewart Stage 2 23113 Water Pump http://www.ebay.com/itm/161004997170?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
    $69: Valve Covers http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-Chevy-3...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d07eba504&vxp=mtr
    $66: Spectre 9831 Inline airbox with filter http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0035GS6RU/?tag=ihco-20
    $65: Chevy 7 bladed fan and fan clutch from ebay USED
    $55: Fel Pro valve cover gaskets 1628 http://www.jegs.com/i/Fel-Pro/375/1628/10002/-1
    $54: or Spark plug boot sleeve heat protector http://www.wirecare.com/products.asp?prodline=spb
    $45: ATP Part # ZA104 More Info {#3765372} Category: Clutch Fork http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=65852
    (Alternate: Fork #15687296 1960-1972 Apache Custom Blazer http://www.advanceadapters.com/products/716176--gm-cast-iron-release-arm/ $70)
    $42: PS Bracket http://www.ebay.com/itm/350858424396
    $42: Vortec Intake Manifold gaskets - I should have just gotten http://www.jegs.com/i/Fel-Pro/375/1255/10002/-1 instead of the kit below of which I only used the intake, and can't use the other gaskets as they are for the Vortec engine
    (I bought the wrong kit - MS98000T and on valve cover gasket http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CH0C0Y/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    $42: Clutch release bearing http://www.advanceadapters.com/prod...sing-stock-land-cruiser-4-speed-transmission/
    $40.50: I use the gaskets that came with the headers instead of these Exhaust gaskets whirch are the D Shape and it did't look right - Vortec Fel-Pro 1470 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003TPHNEE/?tag=ihco-20
    $40: MSD Blaster 2 coil 8202 Free shipping http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8202/overview/
    $40: slave cylinder bracket http://www.advanceadapters.com/prod...nder-bracket-for-use-with-chevy-bellhousings/
    $36: New Tach to replace OEM http://www.jegs.com/i/Sunpro/885/CP7906/10002/-1 install https://forum.ih8mud.com/60-series-wagons/292794-new-tach-v8.html#post4585224
    $35: ALT Bracket http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-CHEVY-A...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d138b10c7&vxp=mtr
    $31: Flywheel cover http://www.classicparts.com/73-84-B...nual-Trans/productinfo/90-918/#.UnF2eawnZfV24
    $30: Grommets for valve cover, PVC
    $28: Carter M6626 Fuel Pump - 3 line: draw, to carb and return
    $25: Pilot Bushing http://www.advanceadapters.com/products/716170--pilot-bearing-590-idx-1090-od
    $25: Throttle cable
    $25: New metric bolts for tranny crossmember to bolt to frame
    $23: (found out 2 not needed) 3 Heater hose nipples to fit into intake manifold
    $18: 90 degree hose nipples to route around back of dizzy to heater
    $20: Comp Cams 7702-1 Pushrod length checker
    $20: Clutch fork Boot http://www.classicparts.com/1985-91-Clutch-Fork-Boot/productinfo/90-527/#.UyzKJttBrOp
    $20:8 AC Delco R44LTS Spark plugs
    $19: Steward 180 degree hi-flow thermostat http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMP-Stewart-301-Thermostat-180-Degree-High-Flow-Copper-Steel-3-Bypass-Holes-Each/390589740292?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid=222002&algo=SIC.FIT&ao=1&asc=11&meid=7565385820009718044&pid=100011&prg=1005&rk=1&sd=330910175826&
    $18: (not needed-went mechanical) 2 FAN connectors, $7 each http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/Ford_Wire_Harness_Connector_Radiator_Cooling_p/a20852.htm
    $15: water neck/thermostate housing
    $15: New rubber fuel lines
    $15: Spectre 4" Coupler http://www.jegs.com/i/Spectre/865/9772/10002/-1
    $14: Chrome Fuel pump plate and bolts
    $14: Block-Bell housing bolts http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-1992-5...Parts_Accessories&hash=item5655db5ae7&vxp=mtr
    $13: Comp Cams 4607 Bronze Fuel pump pushrod
    $13: ARP Pressure Plate HP Bolts From Jegs ARP-130-2201
    $12: Comp Cams Roller Button
    $10: One valve cover gasket Fel-pro VS50293R http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C2GIGQ/?tag=ihco-20
    $5: ARP 234-1001 ARP Cam Bolts
    $3: Release bearing collar from TLC release bearing (2)

    Total $8696 For Power Train rebuild
    Installation: $500

    $1400: Rear bumper and swing outs for tire, gas cans and hi-jack
    $1200+: 190 liter/50 gallon fuel tank http://www.4wdsystems.com.au/index.php?id=25
    $950: ARB Front bumper
    $600: Sliders
    $300: GPS Speedometer http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-16T/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-100mph--(w--turn-signal-and-high-beam)
    $295: New QUAD Gauge display with sensors http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-QUAD-01/1/Quad-Gauge---Oil-psi,-Water-Temp,-Fuel-Level,-Volts
    Gauage article: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/bean-my-fj60-build-and-adventure.794299/page-7#post-9329359
    $200: MSD 6AL #6425 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=msd 6425&_sacat=0&_from=R40
    $175: Front U bolt flip-kits http://www.4plusproducts.com/fj60uboltflipkits.html
    $175: Rear U bolt flip-kits http://www.4plusproducts.com/fj60uboltflipkits.html
    $34: SPARE HRP Inline Air Filter http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/KeywordSearchCmd?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&Ntk=all&Jnar=0&itemPerPage=90&Ne=1 2 3 13 1147708&searchTerm=HPR9831

    BOUGHT 3: $51: Titanium Exhaust Pipe Wrap http://www.ebay.com/itm/201230526982



    BOUGHT - $75: New T100 Master Cylinder
    BOUGHT - $151: New front axle rebuild kit: seals, gaskets, bearings, new nuts, Marlin inner seals, etc from Cruiser Outfitters.com
    BOUGHT -$66: 2 @ $24 each + $22 SH, New front flexible stainless steel brake lines
    BOUGHT -$65: Raybestos RC10376 Left Caliper http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C71UO6/?tag=ihco-20
    BOUGHT -$65: Raybestos RC10375 Right Caliper http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000C71UNC/?tag=ihco-20
    BOUGHT -$57: Beck Arnley Drum http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1986/toyota/land_cruiser/brake/brake_drum.html
    BOUGHT -$57: Beck Arnley Drum http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1986/toyota/land_cruiser/brake/brake_drum.html
    BOUGHT -$49: Dust plate eliminator, bolts, washers, shipping http://www.marlincrawler.com/axle/f...hardware-front-hilux/backing-plate-eliminator
    BOUGHT: -$43: Parking brake cables and hold down pins from SOR
    BOUGHT -$39: Left Disc Rotor http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BOS6/50011263/01310.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land+Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_C0062_1276556_3664&pt=C0062&ppt=C0009
    BOUGHT -$39: Right Disc Roter http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BOS6/50011263/01310.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land+Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_C0062_1276556_3664&pt=C0062&ppt=C0009
    BOUGHT and ordered Shoes $38: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WAG1/PAB549/03353.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land+Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_C0068_1276556_3664&pt=C0068&ppt=C0009
    BOUGHT - $36: Right rear self adjuster kit http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WAG0/H2754/01312.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_brake_01312_1276556_3664&keyword=brake&pt=01312&ppt=C0064
    BOUGHT - $34: Left rear self adjuster kit http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/WAG0/H2755/01312.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_brake_01312_1276556_3664&keyword=brake&pt=01312&ppt=C0064

    BOUGHT -$28: NAPA 38881 brake line (online: $8 shipping) http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/C...rake-Hose-Right-Front/_/R-UBK38881_0406866351
    BOUGHT -$20: NAPA 38881 brake line http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/C...rake-Hose-Right-Front/_/R-UBK38881_0406866351
    BOUGHT -$15: New rear brake wheel cylinder http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BHH1/WC37690/01324.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land+Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_01324_1276556_3664&pt=01324&ppt=C0066
    BOUGHT -$15: New rear brake wheel cylinder http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BHH1/WC37690/01324.oap?year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land+Cruiser&vi=1276556&ck=Search_01324_1276556_3664&pt=01324&ppt=C0066
    BOUGHT - $16: Rear brake kit http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/search/Drum Brake Hardware Kit/01271/C0064.oap?keyword=brake&year=1986&make=Toyota&model=Land+Cruiser&vi=1276556
    Brakes Total: $828


    replace mechanical pump: $135 electric fuel pump http://www.amazon.com/Holley-12-802-1-Electric-Fuel-Regulator/dp/B00029JC62

    BOUGHT - $50: Hella Horns http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002MA03S/?tag=ihco-20
    BOUGHT - $5: Chrome dipstick http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQ082S/?tag=ihco-20

    Rear side window rubber seals Toyota Part # 62741-90A01 (x2)
    BOUGHT: 2 @ $60: http://www.discounttoyotaparts.com/oe-toyota/6274190a01?search_str=62741-90A01

    BOUGHT: 2 @ $42 Lower Radiator rubber: http://www.ebay.com/itm/FJ60-Land-C...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ada951e6d&vxp=mtr

    $250: GPS locator http://www.pocketfinder.com/gps-locator/gps-vehicle-tracker/
    $65: GPS locator http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GA98XAE/?tag=ihco-20
    Both have re-occuring fees

    AUX Relay panel: https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/auxiliary-fuse-relay-panel.352802/

    EXHAUST SYSTEM 2.50 Inch Exhaust parts:
    BOUGHT: $44: 2.00 inch primary/2.50 inch outlet - Y-Pipe Flowmaster Y200250 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CEG2LA/?tag=ihco-20
    BOUGHT: $17 2.5" V-band clamp http://www.ebay.com/itm/271608315849?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
    BOUGHT: $17 Flexible exhaust pipe http://www.ebay.com/itm/261591681004?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
    BOUGHT: $102: Flowmaster 942550 50 Delta Flow Muffler - 2.50 Center IN / 2.50 Center OUT - Moderate Sound http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002Z9NO2/?tag=ihco-20
    BOUGHT: $17: (2 more) 2.5" V-band clamp http://www.ebay.com/itm/271608315849?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
    BOUGHT: $24 V band clamp 2" http://www.ebay.com/itm/251658897178?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

    BOUGHT: 12,000 Engo Winch for Jake to install exhaust system

    FJ-70 Mirrors $123 each

    Part numbers
    87940-60372 http://shop.cruiserparts.net/index....=38050&zenid=b5b977fffd18335f1509cfaf2d0dab1c
    87910-60142 http://parts.autonationtoyotasouthaustin.com/oe-toyota/8791060142

    QuadraJet Carburetors
    17085231 - 1985, M4MED, Federal, Cadillac, manual??: free with engine, has been serviced by cliff, in rebuild stage now Receipe #1
    17081283 - 1981, Federal, Checker/Marine, manual tranny: $20
    17080504 - 1980, California, Chevy, auto tranny: $49.88
    17059508 - 1979, California, Chevy, auto tranny: $23
    17058229 - 1978, Federal, Chevy, manual tranny: $27.50
    17057213 - 1977, Federal, Chevy, manual tranny: $15 bought Jan 2015 broke air horn in shipment, now parts carb
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
  3. orangefj45

    orangefj45 Supporting Vendor

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    Mar 14, 2003
    it's not HP or torque we're super concerned with, it's "shock" or "impact" loads. if the wheels ( front or rear ) loose traction and then hook up again, you can and will break stuff. like drivelines, u-joints, pinions, axle shafts,......but even that's not so common.
    the components in your cruiser can put up with the powerplant you plan on running them with just fine. it's not like you'll be floored at all times, and i doubt you'll be seeing more than 3k RPMs a whole lot.

    fwiw, i built a 60 with a supercharged vortec 5.3 for a customer and fellow mudder. it's been on the road ( and offraod ) for a while now with no issues.

    let your brain make the decisions, not your right foot.

  4. norsk

    norsk SILVER Star

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    Jun 6, 2008
    5535.34 Feet in Utah Mountains

    With a need to cover all the things that need to be done to complete this rig, I decided to put the tasks I know about now, down on this page to provide me a "honey do this" list (Honey being the rig).

    DONE: 22 March 2014 - Cut and remove inner C channel on left rear frame, and paint
    DONE: Install new engine head
    DONE: Install rockers and set rocker preload
    DONE: Install manifold
    DONE: Install valve covers
    DONE: 22 march 2014 - Clean and paint drive lines
    DONE: 29 march 2014 - de-rust, clean, prime and paint the front axle
    DONE: 29 march 2014 - de-rust, clean, prime and paint the steer cross arms
    DONE: 29 march 2014 - clean and paint the gas tank straps
    DONE: 29 march 2014 - Remove windshield
    DONE: 29 march 2014 Paint firewall
    DONE: 12 april 2014 - put in a better ground system in the rear underbody and encase wires in a loom
    DONE: 12 april 2014 - Re-install all 4 shocks
    DONE: 12 april 2014 - Re-install front sway bar
    DONE: 20 april 2014 - Fab fuel line between pump and carb win -6 AN fittings and fuel pressure gauge
    DONE: 21 april 2014 - bought clutch disc
    DONE: 10 May 2014 - Re-install gas tank and hook up all fuel hoses, evap hoses, etc
    DONE: 20 May 2014 - Buy TC rebuilt kit
    DONE: 31 May 2014 - Re-install the heat shield above the exhaust system area
    DONE: 2 June 2014- drill out broken bolts on the frame, especially the ones for the tranny cross mount bar
    DONE: 2 June 2014 - chase all the threads on the frame, for rust and paint residue
    DONE: 2 June 2014 - Install rear fuel fill hose protector shield
    DONE: 3 June 2014 - ran rear diff breather line to front of vehicle
    DONE: 3 June 2014 - put air locker air line inside protective line and ran along frame to front
    DONE: 18 June 2014 - Buy clutch pressure plate,
    DONE: 18 June 2014 - Rebuild TC
    DONE: 19 June 2014 - Replace tire lug bolts on the left front due to broken lug
    DONE: 22 July 2014 - Buy Ranger Splitter - get correct measurements
    DONE: 16 Aug 2014 - Renew left front brakes: New rotor, caliper, pads, pins, new hose
    DONE: 16 Aug 2014 - Move engine from engine stand connected from rear to leg based stand
    DONE: 16 Aug 2014 -Install flywheel
    DONE: 16 Aug 2014 - Chase rust under cowl
    DONE: 16 Aug 2014 - Connect Ranger to tranny and TC
    DONE: 16 Aug 2014 - remove rest of head liner
    DONE: 18 Aug 2014 - Paint under cowling with Eastwood Internal frame anti-rust
    DONE: 23 Aug 2014 - Paint under cowling with Zero Rust as primer,
    DONE: 25 Aug 2014 - Install clutch parts on engine
    DONE: 30 Aug 2014 - Paint under cowling with Rust Bullet Shell Black as covering
    DONE: 30 Aug 2014 - Renew right front brakes: New rotor, caliper, pads, pins, new hose
    DONE: 6 Sep 2014 - Move engine to barn
    DONE: 6 Sep 2014 - Renew right rear brake: New drum, cylinder, springs, etc, etc
    DONE: 13 Sep 2014 - Renew left rear brake: New drum, cylinder, springs, etc, etc
    DONE: 15 Sep 2014 - Put on new Aluminum oil pan and 1 piece FelPro rubber PermaDryPlus gasket
    DONE: 16 Sep 2014 - Connect Engine to Ranger, tranny and TC
    DONE: 17-18 Sep 2014 - Install power train into rig and have front engine mounts fab'd
    DONE: 29 Sept 2014 - re-install carb
    DONE: 29 Sept 2014 - re-install fuel line from pump to carb
    DONE: 2 Oct 2014 - Painted final coat on new mounts and frame rails
    DONE: 2 Oct 2014 - Installed driver's side Ram Horn exhaust manifold
    DONE: 3 Oct 2014 - install clutch slave
    DONE: 3 Oct 2014 - Install steering shaft heat shield
    DONE: 4 Oct 2014 - hook up hydraulic line to clutch slave\
    DONE: 4 Oct 2014 - Installed short front brake line on passenger side
    DONE: 6 Oct 2014 - Install long front brake line
    DONE: 8 Oct 2014 - Mount coil
    DONE: 9 Oct 2014 - Wire up OEM Lines: Oil lead, TACH lead and IGN lead, in a loom
    DONE: 9 Oct 2014 - Wire up dizzy connector and TACH connector
    DONE: 15 Oct 2014 - Install flywheel shield
    DONE: 15 Oct 2014 - Install starter
    DONE: 15 Oct 2014 - Starter START wire
    DONE: 15 Oct 2014 - installed alternator
    DONE: 16 Oct 2014 - wire up electric choke on carb
    DONE: 17 Oct 2014 - gap (0.040) and install spark plugs
    DONE: 17 Oct 2014 - install passenger side exhaust manifold
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - drained and refilled transmission with 90w gear oil
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - filled transfercase with 90w gear oil
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - install OEM Temp wire to OEM sending unit
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - belt on alternator 49.0 inches, tad too long, but works fine. Get a 48.5
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - got switched power to alternator
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - Found bracket for front of alternator and got 10mm X 1.50 bolts for lock down and ground tap
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - install power steering pump - new bracket for lower driver's side
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - Installed power steering fluid line from pump to steering box, with more heat insulator
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - connected vac lines
    DONE: 18 Oct 2014 - painted bare surfaces on block (orange) and heads (black) to prevent rusting
    DONE: 20 Oct 2014 - Installed heater hose with clean out at highest point for burping
    DONE: 20 Oct 2014 - lube all lube points
    DONE: 20 Oct 2014 - install drivelines
    DONE: 20 Oct 2014 - Heightened rear diff breather line
    DONE: 21 Oct 2014 - install radiator support panel
    DONE: 21 Oct 2014 - filled Ranger with regular oil (30w) as break in oil - need to drive for 30 minutes
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - installed new hydraulic hood ball mounts in fenders - mounts for hood pistons
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - Pressed PS Pump pulley onto pump shaft to align up grooves - looks good
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - installed 37.5 inch V belt on PS pullley
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - move fenders to vehicle to prep for installation
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - chased threads on radiator support panel
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - Installed one Cap-Style Breather Vent on one Ranger breather hose
    DONE: 22 Oct 2014 - Ordered 1/4" hose barb X 1/8" female NPT fittings (5)
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - install spark plug wires with retainers
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - WIRING misc leads
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - put loom on wires
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - fill engine with break-in oil
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - Fab breather line to Ranger
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - Fab breather line to transfercase
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - Installed transfercase shifter
    DONE: 23 Oct 2014 - Installed transmission shifter
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - Installed RED Convoluted tubing over starter cable
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - Installed RED convoluted tubing over alternate switch power
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - installed front diff breather hose
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - Figured out how to implement the EVAP line into the system with fuel filter
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - Installed passenger front fender (Hard to do: took 3 hours to get it setup and correct)
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - Installed aluminum billet water pump pulley instead of bent chromed one
    DONE: 25 Oct 2014 - Installed a bolt sleeve into the pivot bolt of Mean Green alternator to tighten it up to align properly
    DONE: 27 Oct 2014 - Found two more bolts to installed on right fender
    DONE: 27 Oct 2014 - Installed passenger side battery tray
    DONE: 27 Oct 2014 - Cleaned up and painted radiator
    DONE: 27 Oct 2014 - Installed radiator mounts to radiator support panel
    DONE: 27 Oct 2014 - Wire brushed mount points on driver's fender
    DONE: 28 Oct 2014 - installed driver's front fender
    DONE: 28 Oct 2014 - installed driver's battery tray
    DONE: 28 Oct 2014 - 2nd coat of paint on radiator edges
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - installed reverse light wires to tranny
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - installed 4x4 light wires to transfercase
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - Replaced a short bolt with longer one on tranny to Ranger
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - Installed side marker light on right front fender
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - Installed convoluted tube on OEM temp wire
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - Installed convoluted tube on AC switch wire
    DONE: 29 Oct 2014 - Installed convoluted tube on HAM radio power leads
    DONE: 30 Oct 2014 - Installed radiator
    DONE: 30 Oct 2014 - Determined which fan we can use: 17.5" mechanical fan (could NOT use 19")
    DONE: 30 Oct 2014 - Cut electrical enclosure "floor" (cutting board) to fit enclosure
    DONE: 30 Oct 2014 - Bought the enclosure 'shelf'
    DONE: 31 Oct 2014 - cut the shelf, installed it and enclosure on fender with stainless steel 1/4" bolts and lock nuts/washers
    DONE: 1 Nov 2014 - Installed hood
    DONE: 1 Nov 2014 - Screwed fuse mounts to the enclosure deck, also the Bluesea fuse block and the ground bar.
    DONE: 4 Nov 2014 - install hood lift pistons
    DONE: 4 Nov 2014 - Painted AC condenser frame
    DONE: 4 Nov 2014 - Painted Hood lock bracket
    DONE: 4 Nov 2014 - Installed new tape and convoluted tube on passenger side wires to head lights.
    DONE: 5 Nov 2014 - Finished completely with radiator install. Had too short bolts for upper fasteners.
    DONE: 5 Nov 2014 - Painted and install hood lock device
    DONE: 5 Nov 2014 - Install the vertical hood lock bracket
    DONE: 6 Nov 2014 - Connected some circuits to the fuse box: 3 toyota primary lines
    DONE: 7 Nov 2014 - Connected Ign Switch to fuse box
    DONE: 7 Nov 2014 - Wrapped up driver's "old" wires and hid into fender
    DONE: 7 Nov 2014 - Wrapped up driver's side light and parking turn signal wires
    DONE: 7 Nov 2014 - Connected HAM radio power line to fuse box
    DONE: 7 Nov 2014 - Soldered driver's side headlight connector to feedline
    DONE: 7 Nov 2014 - Installed driver's side headlight
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed both headlights and new top of the line H4 bulbs
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed/fixed headlight harness
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed PS oil cooler on AC condenser
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed black ground 1/0 cable to ground point
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed red 1/0 cable to fuse box
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed new Wix fuel filter and connected to line from tank
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Installed fuel return line from pump back to return line to tank
    DONE: 8 Nov 2014 - Redid all positive leads in fuse box with solder and heat shrink - remove mechanical fasteners
    DONE: 10 Nov 2014 - installed 5/16" fuel line from pump to fuel filter and from filter to metal fuel line from tank
    DONE: 10 Nov 2014 - Installed 2 --- 3/8" PS return oil lines to/from the PS pump through the radiator support panel
    DONE: 10 Nov 2014 - Installed the 2 hood resting mounts and adjusted them for a firm hood closure.
    DONE: 11 Nov 2014 - Installed DieHard P2 battery, and connected some grounding straps and had some circuits working
    DONE: 11 Nov 2014 - added fuel line support brackets
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - Installed military style battery posts and adjust the cables, which was difficult
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - Wired in Horn relay switch (+/-) and power
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - Took off jake's 35x12.50 and install my 31x10.5 in the front
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - Cleaned up around and under truck getting ready to move it and for coming storms
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - Took off the huge tarp and put on a 12x16 medium duty tarp. Much easier to get into and out of now
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - Got longer bolt and tightened down the 4 ground leads on the "shunt"
    DONE: 15 Nov 2014 - wire up alternator to positive and negative 1/0 leads
    DONE: 17 Nov 2014 - Replaced cheap plastic ties of oil cooler to condenser with strong nylon set
    DONE: 17 Nov 2014 - Installed 1/2" hose onto oil cooler's 1/2" stubs
    BEGUN: 17 Nov 2014 - Jake began the exhaust install, looking good
    DONE: 17 Nov 2014 - Installed coolant overflow bottle
    DONE: 19 Nov 2014 - Fab exhaust system: Dual 2" into Y and then single 2.5" into Flowmaster Delta 50 muffler
    DONE: 19 Nov 2014 - Installed 1/2" barb to 3/8" barb coupler to PS hoses out to oil cooler
    DONE: 19 Nov 2014 - Installed coolant
    DONE: 20 Nov 2014 - Installed solar charge line to battery and connected to 190w panel and charge controller. 0.5 amps trickle charging
    DONE: 2 Dec 2014 - wrapped fuel lines near fuel pump with heat shield
    DONE: 2 Dec 2014 - wrapped exhaust pipe under fuel pump
    DONE: 2 Dec 2014 - covered PS return hose with heat shield
    DONE: 2 Dec 2014 - installed fuse box heat shield
    DONE: 4 Dec 2014 - Installed Sprectre Throttle bracket - needed some mods on it
    DONE: 4 Dec 2014 - Installed throttle return springs
    DONE: 5 Dec 2014 - Determined hole position and drilled it for throttle cable
    DONE: 5 Dec 2014 - Ordered new throttle kit to replace the fitting I broke
    DONE: 6 Dec 2014 - Primed fuel line from tank to filer
    DONE: 6 Dec 2014 - Primed engine oil galleys with oil pump tool into dizzy hole
    DONE: 6 Dec 2014 - Added 1 qt of PS fluid, got another qt to fill PS pump on monday
    DONE: 6 Dec 2014 - Put 12 gallons of premium fuel in tank via 6 gallon can
    DONE: 6 Dec 2014 - Filled old oval gas pedal rubber boot with silicone to fill holes and help make it stable. Will re-install in old hole.
    DONE: 6 Dec 2014 - Put last of the MSD spark plug wire retaining clips on the holders.
    DONE: 9 Dec 2014 - Installed throttle cable assembly from firewall to bracket
    DONE: 9 Dec 2014 - Replaced 2 transmission to ranger bolts with longer ones
    DONE: 10 Dec 2014 - Fixed issue with starter by using the 168 tooth flywheel holes on start
    DONE: 12 Dec 2014 - Fix PS pump leak by simply tightening the pivot bolts - doh!
    DONE: 17 Dec 2014 - Re-installed driver's ex manifold with new gasket - hope to stop ex leak
    DONE: 18 Dec 2014 - hole in radiator repaired
    DONE: 20 Dec 2014 - re-installed radiator, new lower hose, filled and so far no leaks. Put on 1 2-wire clamp and 1 worm clamp over bump
    DONE: 20 Dec 2014 - Re-adjusted valves per CompCams instructions
    DONE: 27 Dec 2014 - Re-installed AC condensor
    DONE: 1 Jan 2015 - Installed passenger exhaust gasket
    DONE: 1 Jan 2015 - Let the passenger side valve train go as there is some oil flowing
    DONE: 3 Jan 2015 - Set TDC, installed Dizzy and set timing at 11 deg BTDC
    DONE: 8 Jan 2015 - Pulled the WP and found flaw in intake pipe
    DONE: 9 Jan 2015 - Surgery on foot - offline for 4 weeks
    DONE: 20 Jan 2015: Worked on Quadrajet at my desk. Completed design of mods.
    DONE: 7 Mar 2015: Back at it, Re-installed Manifold with RTV around the water ports
    DONE: 10 Mar 2015: Re-installed a "good" Water Pump and used RTV on bolt threads - no leaks now
    DONE: 17 Mar 2015: Re-installed Alternator, and PS Pump, along with fan and filled with coolant
    DONE: 21 Mar 2015 Diagnosis fuel tank venting issue - removed and cleared EVAP vent line and replace
    DONE: 21 Mar 2015: Started engine again to set timing, but would not continue to run - found mechanical fuel pump was blown (HOW?)
    DONE: 3 Apr 2015: Create Weatherpack connector on fuel pump
    DONE: 4 Apr 2015: Fab'd bracket to mount electric fuel pump
    DONE: 6 Apr 2015: mounted the fuel pump to frame rail
    DONE: 8 Apr 2015: Make wire harness for use from pump to engine area
    DONE: 9 Apr 2015: Created harness to connect to fuel pump pressure relay
    DONE: 10 Apr 2015: Installed brass T for oil pressure sensor and fuel pump relay and its connector
    DONE: 10 Apr 2015: Connected Keyed IGN line to OP relay line NO
    DONE: 10 Apr 2015: created kill-switch wire harness for Keyed IGN
    DONE: 10 Apr 2015 - installed fuel pump prime momentary switch in relay box
    DONE: 10 Apr 2015 - Installed fuel pump relay in relay box
    DONE: 11 Apr 2015 - connect downstream of kill-switch switch to starter and to OP relay NC post
    DONE: 11 Apr 2015 - install hose from hard fuel line to regulator (reducer)
    DONE: 11 Apr 2015 - install pre-filter, with reducer, clamps and hose
    DONE: 11 Apr 2015 - install post-filter, with reducer, clamps and hose
    DONE: 13 Apr 2015 - put 10 gallons in take, and pump started pumping. Connected feedline to regulator
    DONE: 13 Apr 2015 - constant 7 PSI at fuel pressure gauge
    DONE: 18 Apr 2015 - Replace brake MC, since old one is leaking
    DONE: 18 Apr 2015 - bleed brakes after new MC
    DONE: 2 May 2015 - lights/switch under hood - 2 LED Light bars, looks great
    DONE: 2 May 2015 - found exhaust leak on drivers side
    DONE: 5 May 2015 - Installed new lifters on driver's side
    DONE: 11 May 2015 - Installed Ranger custom shifter, with hole in floor
    DONE: 13 May 2015 - Found and fixed fuel leak at fuel pump. Tightened output fitting more into case
    DONE: 6 june 2015 - Fix coolant leak on PS head at temp sending unit
    DONE: 6 June 2015 - Fix oil leak, I believe coming from oil pan bolts. Oil passing through thread. Add RTV to threads
    DONE: 8 June 2015 - Clean inside of roof
    DONE: 9 June 2015 - Cut out piece of roofing from old FJ60 to be used in fixing hole in roof of mine
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Zero Rust on inside of roof, 4 coats of primer
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Eastwood Internal Frame paint onto other roof areas
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Fix rust on cowl, painted with Rust Bullet, 1st coat
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - drive rig for 30 minutes for Ranger breakin w/30 weight oil, then drain and fill with its special gear oil
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Painted outside of rear hatch with Zero Rust primer and Monstaliner
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Wire brush rain gutter and got rid of rust and sealant
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Painted 1st coat of Rust Bullet into rail gutters and A pillars
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Sanded top of roof (found my sander), about 3/4ths until batteries ran out
    DONE: 13 June 2015 - Painted Monstaliner on 1/2 the top of roof
    DONE: 2014 - Got cargo window rubbers
    DONE: 15 Jun 2015 - spent the evening sanding the driver's side of truck.
    DONE: 16 Jun 2015 - cut access hole in tail gate, in order to paint inside and put on access door
    DONE: 16 Jun 2015 - Fix rust HOLES in roof
    DONE: 17 Jun 2015 - Bondo the rust holes in the roof and primed them, ready for Monstaliner
    DONE: 17 Jun 2015 - Sand upper passenger side of truck
    DONE: 17 Jun 2015 - 2nd coat of Rust Bullet on cowl, ready for Monstaliner
    DONE: 17 Jun 2015 - Paint 1st and 2nd coats of rust bullet inside of tail hatch, ready for Monstaliner
    DONE: 17 Jun 2015 - Primed outside of tail hatch, ready for Monstaliner
    DONE: 20 Jun 2015 - 1st coat of LizardSkin sound deadener
    DONE: 22 Jun 2015 - 2nd coat of Sound proof inside roof
    DONE: 22 Jun 2015 - 1st coat of Thermo-protect inside roof
    DONE: 23 Jun 2015 - 2nd coat of Thermo-protect inside roof
    DONE: 24 Jun 2015 - paint Monstaliner inside roof
    DONE: 24 Jun 2015 - Monstaliner on top of roof, and upper sides
    DONE: 24 Jun 2015 - Monstaliner on cowl
    DONE: 24 Jun 2015 - Monstaliner on tailgate and hatch
    DONE: 3 and 4 July 2015 - Rear quarter panels fixes, cut for rear bumper
    DONE: 7 July 2015 - 1st coat of Monstaliner on inside of pillars. Primer on rear quarters
    DONE: 11 July 2015 - Installed passenger front door
    DONE: 18 July 2015 - renewed and installeded Front Driver side door
    DONE: 19 July 2015 - clean and tint cargo windows and rear window
    DONE: 28 July 2015 - renewed Rear Driver side door
    DONE: 28 July 2015 - renewed Rear Passenger side door
    DONE: 29 July 2015 - Installed front Driver side door tinted window
    DONE: 29 July 2015 - Installed front Passenger side door tinted window
    DONE: 8 Aug 2015 - Installed Rear Driver side door
    DONE: 8 Aug 2015 - Installed Rear Passenger side door
    DONE: 8 Aug 2015 - installed right tinted cargo window
    DONE: 29 Aug 2015 - Installed renewed tail hatch by moving all parts to the new one
    DONE: 29 Aug 2015 - installed left tinted cargo window
    DONE: 5 Sept 2015 - installed tinted rear window
    DONE: 22 Oct 2015 - Installed new tinted windshield
    DONE: 2 April 2016 - changed oil/filter
    DONE: - RTV overdrive fill plug
    DONE: 9 April 2016 - Installed rear tailgate
    DONE: July 2016 - removed old herculiner and painted sides and front fenders with Monstaliner
    DONE: Aug 2016 - Assembling front grille and headlight surrounds

    Last edited: Aug 4, 2016
  5. Elbert

    Elbert SILVER Star

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    Jul 20, 2006
    AL, USA
    I would go for the most torque you can make and run on regular pump gas, and that would get you to the 383 setup I'm sure. High torque at low rpm is the best route for trucks/offroad in my view. I don't think there are that many intake solutions with using the vortec heads and I assume the intake you are referring to is a dual plane type. The vortec heads have a different bolt pattern where the intake bolts down to the cylinder heads than the older conventional 5.7 heads. The Dart II iron eagle heads are a good alternative if you were considering other options.
  6. norsk

    norsk SILVER Star

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    That has been my base thought, which why I studied the 383 type of engine. As for the intake, it is an Edelbrock Performer for spreadbore

    The cheaper base unit is at Edelbrock 2116, Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifolds for Chevy | Edelbrock

    The more shiny one is at Edelbrock 21161 Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifolds for Chevy

    The original Vortec heads are a great head set and I have studied their characteristics. GMPP has come out an after market Vortec head that addresses some of the short coming of the original, thicker deck, improved exhaust, takes upto .530 valve lift, better springs. For an iron head, the GM engineers has done a great job. One can get an original Vortec head from www.sdparts.com for around $400 that has good valve lift, but these new GM heads can be had for $520 vis Jegs.

    Thanks for pointers

    Exactly, I wasn't trying to reach high numbers. I just studied and put together components that leaned toward low end torque instead of high end HP (high end HP is what all the books stress on building up a SBC, mag articles as well). After I had my build plan laid out, that is when I bought the software sim to plug in things and see what came out (also I found that every person I asked had different opinions on things and had no "normalized" foundation to start with).

    Then I put the numbers in the Sim and I saw bigger numbers than I expected with TQ. That lead to posting this question due to the "breakage" factor as you mentioned. I started with the 383 and then seeing its numbers, worked up the 350 with good, but lower numbers to possibly reduce those "shocks".

    With my 2F now, when I drive 65, my RPMs are 3000 and my speedo is spot on, with 4.11 gears and 31x10.50 tires. I will be going to 33x12.50 and the 5th overdrive of the NV4500, which will bring down the RPMs on the road. And as you indicate, low RPMs when off road.




    RTV oil pan bolts

    Rear Bumper fab with 2" receiver
    Install BMW seats
    Both rear quarter panels fixed
    Adjust lifters on passenger side - again
    Fix exhaust leak on driver's side - exhaust collectors need torque relief
    install rear 6 circuit fuse block
    run wire from battery to rear fuse block
    lights/switch hatch
    lights/switch rear cargo area
    lights/switch foot wells
    - Install kill-switch for STARTER in/under dash
    - Install IGN kill-switch in/under dash
    - clamp down the filters
    - design and build armour for the pump, filters and lines on frame rail
    seal and paint contact points of fenders to each other and body
    install horn line from relay to horns
    wrap exhaust pipe near driver's rear shock
    header wrap on driver's side exhaust manifold, a section of it near PS
    wrap exhaust pipe under clutch slave cylinder
    wrap clutch slave with heat shield
    front end re-assembled - grill, etc
    install air compressor
    install new SunPro tach in dashboard
    install O2 sensor wires
    Install relays one by one: top lights, fog lights, air compressor
    New door locks
    New ignition lock
    New hatch lock
    Front Bumper buy ARB
    Winch on front bumper


    Consumable Parts List or Items that need replacement over time:

    Spark plug: 5613611 R44LTS, set of 8
    Oil filter: Royal Purple 30-1218 $14.99
    Oil filter: WIX 51794 (PurePro PH832) $7.50
    Air filter: Spectre #865-HPR9831 HRP Inline Air Filter
    Fuel Filter: WIX 33204
    ALT V Belt: Gates 7485
    PS V Belt: Gates 7370
    AC V Belt:
    Upper radiator hose: Gates 20416
    Lower radiator hose: Dayco 70399 (need to cut abt 3" off end that mates with radiator)
    Large ID (Dec) B 1.75
    Large ID (Frac) B 1 3/4
    Small ID (Dec) A 1.50
    Small ID (Frac) A 1 1/2
    Hose Length 12 1/2
    Type Dual I.D. Hose

    RAM Horn manifold cast number: 3747042


    CSF 2708 4-row brass, abt $320

    Various Spark Plugs For Vortec Heads:

    5613611 R44LTS, set of 8
    5614210 MR43LTS, set of 8
    25164641 #3, Rapid Fire style, set of 8
    P526S Accel U-Groove “SHORTY” Double Platinum Header Plugs approximately 3/16" shorter then R44LTS plugs, set of 8
    RS12YC Champion
    Autolite 104 or 26
    ACCEL 516
    Bosch HR10B or HR10BX, HR9DC

    PARTS - entry from IH8MUD https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/ult...rts-still-in-stock.427242/page-8#post-9360697

    There is a WAY easier way to find parts availability than scrolling through this awesome thread.
    Just go HERE and enter your part number in the search box. If a part is discontinued, you will see it. They have always been accurate for parts availability for me... although it is doubtful that their database would be 100% up-to-date perfect.

    Don't know the part number?
    Just go HERE and find it in the drawings.
    (Numbers on Toyota drawings, except typically for bolts, nuts and washers are called "PNC" numbers. PNC numbers reference the 10 digit part number that you are looking for.. at this site the part numbers are at the far right of the page).

    Radiator Insulator: http://www.toyotapartsoverstock.com...OR--RADIATOR-MOUNTING/3922894/1658461010.html

    Fan thread:
    V8 Radiator vs. Stock Rad Feedback

    Bought used chevy 7 bladed fan with clutch off eby for $65
    Mechanical Fan

    $113: fan clutch Nostalgic AC - GM Fan Clutch
    $90: Seven bladed fan #790-2030 http://nostalgicac.com/gm-fan-blade-18-inch-steel.html


    $114: Electric fan controller http://www.dakotadigital.com/index....ategory_id=-1/home_id=-1/mode=prod/prd852.htm See Better price on EBAY
    $17: Pelican case for FAN Controller Amazon.com : Pelican 1060 Micro Dry Case with Clear Lid - Black : Diving Dry Boxes : Camera & Photo

    $101: Contour FAN Amazon.com: Dorman 620-104 Radiator Fan Assembly: Automotive
    (FAN Install threads: Yet Another SBC TBI into an FJ62...
    ROTW: Moonshine - GLTHFJ60
    4BD1T into FJ60 Fit Issues)


    $0: Currently own Lincoln Mark VIII 19" dual speed electric fan, just need to make mount/shroud for it

    Rim http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS Performance Products/555/671134/10002/-1




    28 Feb 2014
    Needed a place to put links to various solutions to common problems in restoring a LC. So In this section of this first post
    I am putting links as I find them to problems I encounter OR will encounter as the project proceeds. That way I KNOW where the links are instead of doing searches, and others can find the same solutions if they encounter them

    Weatherpack connectors http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weather-Pac...pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item35c7478e93&vxp=mtr

    Rusty cowl in front of wind shield 83 FJ60 Build up thread
    An example of what was done

    Fuel tank and part numbers for misc around it Landcruiser Fuel Tank Recall Replacement

    Info on a FI Vortec install on EVAP system
    American Heart Transplant: FJ60 + Vortec
    won't apply to my carb, but good info

    Other good rebuild threads found or pointed to:

    Rusty Wagon Rebuild
    The Machinist's "Project" Thread: 86' FJ60 [Lots Of Pics]

    Interior threads
    Interior Face Lift on a Budget

    ABS Panels for doors/rear: Rear side panels with gear storage

    window/regulator removal: Door panel removal

    H55 5 speed thread: some h55f and split case tech

    Half doors - cool 60 Series Half Door Build

    Removable hinges:

    portable air compressor: Puma 12V Compressor

    windshield install

    kevinmrowland said: ?
    I ask since I've done a half dozen or so of them with that strip, and it's a pain, but as long as it's slick it slips into place.
    The tightness is a plus in my book, it is after all the expander strip and in that case tighter is better. I've always found much worse rust under the aftermarket window gaskets that do not have the slot for the expander strips as compared to the OE style expanded ones.

    He mentioned exactly that issue, but said it was because of improper installation, not because there's anything different with the aftermarket seal. If fact, if someone is going to try a home-installation, it's the only way to go. I held them side by side (sorry, no pic) and in fact the Precision gasket looked beefier. Had I not already bought the Toyota gasket, I would have gone aftermarket.

    Dirk said the step most places leave out (and it's in the FSM procedure) and always left out by the installer-comes-to-you guys because of the time it takes, is the final Urethane sealant step between the glass and gasket lip, not just the application between the gasket and window frame. It did take a bit of time for that final step and subsequent clean up, but he said it was absolutely necessary for a leak-free install. He also showed me it had not been done on the window he just removed from my rig... Thus the rust, and fu#!*ng water on the driver's floor boards I used to get. :crybaby:

    MUD member and FJ60 owner, and one-time in the auto-glass business "Tinker " mentions the same thing over and over in the various other windshield threads he's posted. In my first post, here, I link to another thread where Tinker affirms this.

    Did I mention I love my new windshield? The world is open, again :p

    Did anyone say I need new paint ??

    AC Bracket:

    RELAY BOX ENCLOSURE Underhood electrical enclosure


    Flex-a-lite 45321, Flex-a-lite Heavy Duty Remote Oil Coolers | Flex-a-lite
    JEGS Performance Products 51711, JEGS Thermostatic Sandwich Adapters & Hose | JEGS Performance Products
    JEGS Performance Products 51720, JEGS Thermostatic Sandwich Adapters & Hose | JEGS Performance Products
    Derale Tube-Fin Engine Oil Cooler Kit w/ Adjustable Sandwich Adapter (Multiple Threads) - Class III Derale Engine Oil Coolers D15505



    Split Case Rebuild

    Pro comp wheels

    Pro Comm 16"x8" 6x5.5 BS 2.5
    Part # 97-6883R2.5
    MSRP $86 6-8 weeks build time

    Buy from retailers (4WheelParts, SummitRacing, etc)
    Rock Crawler Series 97, 16x8 with 6 on 5.5 Bolt Pattern - Black

    Pro Comm 17"x9" 6x5.5 BS 3.50
    Part # PCW98-7983S3.5
    MSRP $98

    ROOF RACK mount
    Gamiviti roof rack towers


    FAN https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/ford-contour-fan-installation-thread.237250

    LED FLASHERS https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/led-turn-signal-flasher-for-leds.685623

    LED Lights 10X9W LED DRL Eagle Eye Car Fog Daytime Reverse Backup Parking Signal Lamp Light
    LED lights on Tail gate....

    EVAP, canister and controls:
    BVSV(1) Violet: Part #90925-05035 $40 (This the temperature sensor switch)
    VCV Vacuum Control Value: Part #90925-03058 $61 - Controlled by BVSV to open/close vacuum draw from canister (purge tap)


    Hj61 sahara overhaul
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  7. ntsqd

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    What is your current cruising RPM? Shoot for getting your peak torque at that RPM as that will offer the best mileage. Not sure if the book goes into Brake Specific Fuel Consumption or not, but BSFC quantifies (fuel consumed per HP) and this always happens at peak torque. By running at, or just slightly under, peak torque you're operating at max efficiency for that engine combo.

    Have you considered the GMPP replacement aluminum Corvette heads? Those will let you run a bit more comp ratio while keeping to a small, high velocity intake port.
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    At 65 MPH I am doing 3000 RPM at the moment.

    With the future overdrive, which I remember is around a .8 over factor, would put it around 2400 RPM plus going to a 33 size tire on 4.11 gears, I say 2200 to 2600 RPM target range, which matches with the above TQ numbers

    as to the Corvette Alum heads, I think you are referring to the Fast Burn: below is what I found on a personal sale (they are more expensive for sure from retail);

    Default FS-GMPP Aluminum Vortec Fast Burn Heads, Cam, Lifters, Rockers, more... BRAND NEW
    I have the following absolutely BRAND NEW GM Performance Parts from a NEW ZZ383..

    Heads- GM part #12464298 (this number superseded #12367712, which is stamped on the heads) Fast Burn Vortec aluminum.
    210cc Intake Ports
    62cc Combustion Chambers
    2.000'' Int/1.550'' Exh Valves
    -This head is a bolt-on 30 hp increase when used on GM's ZZ4 crate engine (according to GMPP)
    -Sells for $650 EACH new

    + Shipping

    [he lists other parts he is selling]

    at his price, they would match the same price as the Iron GM vortecs I am looking at.

    Here is a jegs listing for them at retail:

    They are a big port runner at 210cc, which more for HP and not Torque


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  9. Elbert

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    are you sure that intake you linked to bolts down to a 5.7 vortec cylinder head? Are you aware of the differences between the vortec heads (like are stock on a 1999-97 GM truck) vs. the older school 5.7 cylinder heads? i'm referring to the bolt pattern and number of bolts used to mate the intake manifold with the cylinder head.

    At one time the only 4 barrel intake for the 5.7 vortec head was one offered by GM / GMPP.

    make sure you understand the differences before jumping off into that. I think the 5.7 vortec heads are good for a mild engine which is what you would want in the off-road torque business but as I noted the intake selection for 4 barrel carb use was and maybe still is limited. There are some people who drill the intake manifolds...i'm not one of them.

    notice the number of bolts used to fasten the intake to the cylinder head.

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    750 lbs of torque or more is to much. Anything less that that is good.
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    This is good imfo. :cool: keep it coming.
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    On a 383 with small Dart heads I get a little over 400 ft/lbs by the time I hit 2k rpm, it peaks at around 330hp and 450 ft/lb but runs out of air by the time you hit 5k. That is enough to grenade pinions, driveshafts, hubs etc. All with some shock loading as someone mentioned earlier.

    That is enough to easily pass trucks on the interstate with authority and pull most any pass fast enough to get arrested. Makes chugging along at idle easy as well. Welcome to the dark side!

    sorry, this is in a 40, should apply to 60 too.
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    GM Performance 12366573 - GM Performance Vortec Dual Plane Intake Manifolds - Overview - SummitRacing.com

    I would have bought the above intake if I had gone with a carb for fuel on a 5.7 Vortec.. THere may be other manifolds out now (5.7 vortec + carb)...but this was one choice for a while or may be one of the few choices today. I've not looked at the choices for some time, since I jumped into fuel injection.

    I doubt the issue will be too much torque from a small block.... in fact I would not go crazy chasing that dream on a stock type truck. Remember why folks run fuel injection....for offroad the truck never runs out of fuel due to engine angle and too...you make some good power and reasonable fuel milage. With a carb you certainly can go crazy with modifications.... but I would not...a lot better to have a quasi stock setup thats dependable and less prone to maintence issues.
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    Edelbrock makes a very nice dual plane manifold specific to Vortec heads. I have been using one for the past ten years. It currently sports a home made (ok, red neck) TBI adapter plate and big block throttle body.

    Norsk, I think you may find more usuable torque and certainly better economy with a cam that has no more than 212 degrees at .050" The larger cams make more torque, but not really the type of power you can hook up the a 5000# trailer and be happy. They're great for hot rods, but not always for trucks. The overlap is very effective for cylinder charging at low RPM, but you pay a penalty with mileage and heavily loaded operation. The overlap is not good for use with FI, which as I recall, you plan on doing sooner or later. The unburned fuel that makes it out the pipes due to the overlap tells the FI to go leaner which is really doesn't need to do in that case. Go with a roller cam and go with some good lift, moderate duration. Just my random thoughts...
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    norsk SILVER Star

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    The link I gave was for the "shiny" version, the standard version is at Edelbrock 2116 Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifolds for Chevy

    and yes it is a Vortec manifold with 4 bolts each side, and am aware of the differences, and it is a spreadbore. I found it after multiple searches.

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    norsk SILVER Star

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    that gives me a limit, which I don't want to approach. Once over 500 hp, the entire bottom end would need an expensive upgrade from what I have spec'd out. Instead of a cast crank, I would need a forged one and those add another $600, plus better rods, pistons, etc.

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    norsk SILVER Star

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    my range I am figuring is idle to 5500 RPM, the Sim charts indicate TQ and HP drop rapidly after 6000.

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    Those are not the heads, and it looks like the heads I had in mind have been dropped. Not finding them on the GMPerfParts page. What I had found is a aluminum replacement head for some year Corvette that had a 165cc intake port. With that small intake port volume they would've worked really nicely on a low rpm 350.

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    norsk SILVER Star

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    good info.

    The Edelbrock is also a Dual Plane, a Vortec and a Spreadbore. Designed for idle to 5500 RPM range.

    That link is a square bore and I am wanting to do a good rebuilt QuadraJet. Have been researching that and found a great site at Cliffs High Performance Quadrajets :: Qjet Carburetor Rebuild Kits, Parts, Quadrajet Rebuilding, Quadrajet Parts, Bushing Kits, Carb Tuning

    I bought his book via Amazon which he wrote back in 2006. He has been building engines for 40 years. Owns a 1973 Pontiac Ventura, which has 650 HP 600 Ft-lbs and runs on his own tuned Q-Jet. It is his Daily Driver AND his racing vehicle. Fairly good mileage if he stays out of the secondaries due to his tuning. I have found that the Q-Jet is a great carb, BUT must tuned for the application in order to idle, off idle and WOT work right. I have learn ALOT about carbs from this book, talking with him and actually doing my rebuild with his HP-kit. One thing the Q-Jet does well is on off-road vehicles on angles, due to the design of the float, bowl, etc.

    I want to do the Carb thing at first and play with it.
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    yes I'm told the q-jet is the one to have if running carb off-road on GM-V8...I would do the same.

    Q-Jets are great carbs....espically for anything that's semi-mild build, I think they are the best for many mild street and off road applications...only when you really get into the hard-core hot rod or race stuff does a Holley really come into play. Getting hard to find local people who know how to work on those things now-days that everything is fuel injections. Q-jets are not hard to work on either.