Dexron III or Toyota WS ATF transmission fluid. What ATF are you using?
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If you're a lucky owner of the model years that have one.
I got about 3 quarts through the trans cooler line as pictured there, that was still pretty dang easy.
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29ft-lbf seem like a lot of torque for and bolt with rubber O-ring. It is what FSM states.
The bolt/plug up front looks too small, and I believe it's may be test hold for a pressure gauge.
Part # in picture is for drain & check plugs. O-ring is circled on the fill plug may be 90301-15004.
Extension Housing (ATM) for 2007 Toyota Land Cruiser
The LH Rearward bolt is larger and looks like a fill plug, just as FSM depicts. I'd not noticed before that it's on the transmission case adaptor sub-assembly rearward of gasket/FIPG seam where it mounts to the transmission. Looks like a channel must carry fluid from it forward to the transmission case.
Interesting you can see this 4Runner transmission below, it has fill plug on the RH of the transmission case adaptor sub-assembly. Transmission is the same as series 100, just transmission case adaptor sub-assembly is different.
Notice the gasket/FIPG separating the transmission case adaptor sub-assembly from the transmission.
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I'll be doing a full exchange on my 07lx with 5sp this weekend. Can anyone describe or post a pic that shows which line is best to pull to catch the old fluid. I've search and seen Paul's pic for an 01 and a few videos/other posts that seem to be using different return lines, perhaps based on model year, but wasn't able to find anything definitive for an 07. I'm thinking it's ideally as far "downstream" (i.e., closest to returning fluid to the trans) as possible to get as much of the old stuff out as I can. Thanks much in advance for any help.
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It's the same return line for all years. It's just some pull off from below at radiator. I do from above which is after radiator and cooler at PS of radiator near reservoir.
I tap in at last point in transmission return line to catch fluid as I run engine while adding transmission fluid so I don't run low. Always start by draining then filling pan so pump is picking up fresh.
Filling of the 04-07 is a PITA
Rubber O-ring is on fill plug and can be reused. Others drain & check are metal and must be replaced.
I tap in at last point in transmission return line to catch fluid as I run engine while adding transmission fluid so I don't run low. Always start by draining then filling pan so pump is picking up fresh.
Filling of the 04-07 is a PITA
I know this is page 4 by now (and I've mostly only read page 1)....
The Toyota manual isn't always right, nor is the system that indicates what to use.
1991 MR2 is a perfect example. The manual S54 used in that car didn't change and was very similar to other manuals Toyota had used. The manual suggested using 5W30 in the transmission. In 1992 the Manual said to use 70W90. All other vehicle manuals of that era have Toyota manual transmissions use gear oil. Toyota never fixed their systems (last I heard, at least, many years ago) - and in the MR2 world there was much debate as to which oil to use - which is gear oil. 1991 was the first year of the 2nd generation MR2 in the USA, previous years they used C ane E series transmissions.
If 2003 was the first year of certain models to have the 5sp auto, unless someone can indicate a technical difference between the transmissions in 03 and 04, then I would suggest running the fluid recommended in the later years.
The Toyota manual isn't always right, nor is the system that indicates what to use.
1991 MR2 is a perfect example. The manual S54 used in that car didn't change and was very similar to other manuals Toyota had used. The manual suggested using 5W30 in the transmission. In 1992 the Manual said to use 70W90. All other vehicle manuals of that era have Toyota manual transmissions use gear oil. Toyota never fixed their systems (last I heard, at least, many years ago) - and in the MR2 world there was much debate as to which oil to use - which is gear oil. 1991 was the first year of the 2nd generation MR2 in the USA, previous years they used C ane E series transmissions.
If 2003 was the first year of certain models to have the 5sp auto, unless someone can indicate a technical difference between the transmissions in 03 and 04, then I would suggest running the fluid recommended in the later years.
Perfect. Thanks again.
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I use M1 full synthetic MV ATF in 98-02 transmission also in all toyota Power steerings, works great. M1 stated as compatible with Dexron II or III, which 98-02 calls for.
In 03 Toyota change to recommending T-IV for which we have no Dexron equivalent recommendation I know of.
In 2004 Toyota change recommendation to Toyota WS. Which we have no Dexron equivalent recommendation I know of.
Mobil/Exxon makes all these Toyota fluids to my knowledge. Some it states Exxon right on the jug. They even have a WS that's in a Mobil 1 can, but not in USA. I've asked Mobil 1 if we can use M1 MV ATF in place of WS. They said no, it not recommended.
Would it be ok to run M1 in place of WS, probably. But I've not the guts to try, without Mobil approving. So I just use WS in newer transmisson.
Fluid keep evolving. The days of grabbing whatever off the shelf are going, as there's myriad of choices. Each have specific custom composition.
I would really like to hear of some long term alternative ATF fluids use stories, from other than Max life.
In 03 Toyota change to recommending T-IV for which we have no Dexron equivalent recommendation I know of.
In 2004 Toyota change recommendation to Toyota WS. Which we have no Dexron equivalent recommendation I know of.
Mobil/Exxon makes all these Toyota fluids to my knowledge. Some it states Exxon right on the jug. They even have a WS that's in a Mobil 1 can, but not in USA. I've asked Mobil 1 if we can use M1 MV ATF in place of WS. They said no, it not recommended.
Would it be ok to run M1 in place of WS, probably. But I've not the guts to try, without Mobil approving. So I just use WS in newer transmisson.
Fluid keep evolving. The days of grabbing whatever off the shelf are going, as there's myriad of choices. Each have specific custom composition.
I would really like to hear of some long term alternative ATF fluids use stories, from other than Max life.
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Not familiar with this particular model, but is is probably a trapped o-ring in a boss. Once the plug is down, it creates the right volume for the o-ring to sit in without being able to over-squeeze it. The torque ensures it will not come loose with vibration and temperature cycling.
See e.g. this document: http://pressureconnections.com/customer/prcoco/customerpages/literature/Steel_O-Ring_Boss.pdf
Not sure if anyone brought up this video regarding no-dipstick ATF fluid levels. I found it very instructive (and a bit crazy to think that mechanics under time pressure would actually go through all this trouble).
If you want to get into a serious O-ring discussion, Parker O-ring book is the bible.
Every thing you wanted to know and more (materials, fluid resistance, interface requirement, etc).
You can ask me how I know if you want to know how I know
Every thing you wanted to know and more (materials, fluid resistance, interface requirement, etc).
You can ask me how I know if you want to know how I know
Is anyone actually running the Mobil 1 3309 ATF in their 98-02 lx470s and series 100s? Seems to be mentioned but not much certainty on use. It is the same atf that I run on our Volvo XC70 with the Asain transmission and I have a case in the garage. Just want to get some real results from fellow mudders before taking the leap.
Is it Toyota WS rated?
According to Mobil 1 yes but wanted real world input here. Like I said, I have a case left over from my xc70 which has a MUCH more finicky transmission and was curious if anyone ran it on the cruisers.
Aye, got it now.
All I can give you real world experience on is the Valvoline MaxLife, I use that in my transmission with zero problems, 2yrs so far and 25,000? miles.
I also use it in my power steering.
