As proud owners of hippos, I'm not sure any of us can appeal to having a small or green footprint. I generally don't try to pretend the grass is greener on either side, but it's also surely not greener on the petroleum side the way the 200-series swills fuel. Mining and manufacturing for initial production is one thing, but is not the same degree as continuous mining of petroleum products for sustainment. Sure, electricity comes from somewhere too, but that has lots of potential to draw from cleaner sources and higher efficiencies.
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As proud owners of hippos, I'm not sure any of us can appeal to having a small or green footprint. I generally don't try to pretend the grass is greener on either side, but it's also surely not greener on the petroleum side the way the 200-series swills fuel. Mining and manufacturing for initial production is one thing, but is not the same degree as continuous mining of petroleum products for sustainment. Sure, electricity comes from somewhere too, but that has lots of potential to draw from cleaner sources and higher efficiencies.
The bigger issue is control of supply. Petroleum (for gassers)has and lithium and cobalt (for EVs) are finite resources. We have a lot of petroleum in this country, limited cobalt. This can be overcome by commiting to developing solid state, super capacitors and batteries with more sustainable batteries.
I'm all for sustainable and renewable energy, but it will be a long and expensive road to get there, and I'd like to see it done efficiently as possible.
Sadly that doesn’t count US military, Dept of Ag, Dept of Interior, Dept of Commerce, Dept of Transportation, or Dept of State indirect spending or other externalized subsidies. And that is only the US. Totality it is $7T globally in 2023 according to that bastion of liberals, the International Monetary Fund.Electric subsidies, mostly comprising renewable energy, energy efficiency and to a much lesser extent, nuclear energy, cost the U.S. taxpayer a substantial amount more than the subsidies on fossil fuels.
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This chart is from 2016, but the spending on renewables. Per Reuters, the spending on renewable subsidies has doubled over the last 7 years. Meanwhile, subsidies related to natural gas and petroleum became a net cost to the U.S. government, which gave tax breaks worth $2.1 billion in fiscal year 2022 compared with a revenue inflow of $2.2 billion in fiscal years 2016 and 2017 combined.
Renewable Energy Still Dominates Energy Subsidies in FY 2022
The Energy Information Administration (EIA), an independent agency of the U.S. Department of Energy, evaluated the amount of subsidies that…www.instituteforenergyresearch.org
Debunking Myths About Federal Oil & Gas Subsidies
In any presidential election year it is inevitable that candidates on both sides of the political spectrum will begin hailing or bashing tax breaks, subsidies, and regulations throughout the US business landscape.
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If the IMF is putting up this data, I would question the accuracy. Just looking at their article it comes across as a hit piece. They are still quoting the 1.5C climate change BS in that same write up. What is an actual subsidy that no other business gets but they do is what I would ike to see. I would bet the data comes out totally different.
Those $7 trillion fossil fuel subsidies as per the IMF — Adam Smith Institute
Fossil fuels benefited from record subsidies of $13m (£10.3m) a minute in 2022, according to the International Monetary Fund, despite being the primary cause of the climate crisis. The IMF analysis found the total subsidies for oil, gas and coal in 2022 were $7tn (£5.5tn). That is equivalent to 7%
www.adamsmith.org
Proof they skewed the UK data. If they did it to one country, they did it to the rest of them to push an agenda. Such bs.
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Pretty much every car made in the US in the last 10-15+ years could be hacked and bricked. If it has WiFi, Bluetooth, cellular, or satellite. It can be hacked.
Even my 2003 MB e has a WiFi and cell antennas.
I believe the Lithium battery doesn't charge below a certain temperature, the computer will not let it charge even when plugged, that was the problem with people trying to go to these outdoor charging stations and no one was getting their car charged in the cold snap recently.
If you have a heated garage to charge your EV, that's not an issue.
If you have a heated garage to charge your EV, that's not an issue.
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Most of that was owners that were ignorant about how to properly charge the car. Follow the correct procedure and the car will warm the battery to prepare for charging. The rate may reduce but ultimately they can be charged.
You’ll still lose range compared to more normal temperatures as detailed in this thread though.
I’ve charged mine outside down into the -30’s. It charges, just charges slower. The issue in Chicago was rental teslas (and people that didn’t know what they were doing) were clogging up the superchargers.
Even in the severe cold If you set the car’s navigation to a supercharger the car preps the battery and charging takes a lot less time. If say use your phone to navigate it and just show up at a supercharger it can take 2-3x longer to charge.
Drove a Cyberbeast this morning. I've got CT stuck in my head.
The steering is the most dramatic part. In some ways, it's like our VGRS on steroids and makes this long wheelbase truck have an agility unlike anything else.
Power, soo much excess, and I'm use to excess. The response is incredible, and in a vehicle this heavy, unbelievable.
Suspension rides buttery. The height adjustment shenanigan's is not unfamiliar with AHC.
I've already had very fond interest in this vehicle and the test drive solidified mywant lust for it. It's unlike anything else.
Will it replace my LX? No, it won't do what my LX does in utility or likely technical off-road where breakover is important. Then again, not much would. Chatting among a few friends, the LX as I have it setup is in rarefied air. Talking about utility and towing, we've come to the conclusion that even a gasser will need 500 mile range, to do the longer off-road and towing trips we do and there's not too many stockers that have that type of range and payload, especially not an EV.
And that's fine. Doesn't take away from the CT and its own unique talents and traits. Steering, yummm...4 wheel steering which just got better again by 2 feet with a recent OTA update.
The steering is the most dramatic part. In some ways, it's like our VGRS on steroids and makes this long wheelbase truck have an agility unlike anything else.
Power, soo much excess, and I'm use to excess. The response is incredible, and in a vehicle this heavy, unbelievable.
Suspension rides buttery. The height adjustment shenanigan's is not unfamiliar with AHC.
I've already had very fond interest in this vehicle and the test drive solidified my
Will it replace my LX? No, it won't do what my LX does in utility or likely technical off-road where breakover is important. Then again, not much would. Chatting among a few friends, the LX as I have it setup is in rarefied air. Talking about utility and towing, we've come to the conclusion that even a gasser will need 500 mile range, to do the longer off-road and towing trips we do and there's not too many stockers that have that type of range and payload, especially not an EV.
And that's fine. Doesn't take away from the CT and its own unique talents and traits. Steering, yummm...4 wheel steering which just got better again by 2 feet with a recent OTA update.
I’m glad you liked it. I got my invitation from Tesla to buy a beast ~6 weeks ago. I could have the first CT in Alaska. I Flew down to CA and drove one, and right after canceled my reservation. To me the steering was just odd in a truck reminded me of a track car. The bed and cover was thrown together and unpractical, the rear seat was odd. The doors and lack of door handles was ridiculous. The roof line and rails are pathetic, it’s range is a joke. And it’s more than a S plaid….
Yea it was scary fast. But I came to the conclusion that I really can’t do much more with the CT then I could with my 3 (which has roof rails and a 2” receiver). And my thoughts is it would have been amazing if it was more maverick/Santa Cruz size.
Have you driven a rivian?
If you are looking for an efficient daily driver then you could just get a $17000 used Chevy Bolt that gets 4-5 mi/kwh. 
Driving a 7000 lb truck around, electric or not, doesnt seem efficient to me. I have not come to appreciate these EV trucks. They are cool, and they are fast, and they do some impressive things, but they seem very at odds with the main benefits of EV powertrains. The only one that seems practical for towing is the Silverado EV with its 212 kwh battery that actually has a functional range. I wouldnt be towing around in the deserts of southern UT, NV, or CA with a truck like a Lighting, Rivian or CT that has a 100 mile practical range with a travel trailer behind it. You get into a nasty headwind on the freeway and those batteries will be crushed in no time.
Running a boat to the nearby lake or doing a run to the nursery for some mulch is about the practical extent of how I would be able to use them.
Driving a 7000 lb truck around, electric or not, doesnt seem efficient to me. I have not come to appreciate these EV trucks. They are cool, and they are fast, and they do some impressive things, but they seem very at odds with the main benefits of EV powertrains. The only one that seems practical for towing is the Silverado EV with its 212 kwh battery that actually has a functional range. I wouldnt be towing around in the deserts of southern UT, NV, or CA with a truck like a Lighting, Rivian or CT that has a 100 mile practical range with a travel trailer behind it. You get into a nasty headwind on the freeway and those batteries will be crushed in no time.
Running a boat to the nearby lake or doing a run to the nursery for some mulch is about the practical extent of how I would be able to use them.
Yes. I have a friend with an R1T and another one with a R1T and an R1S.
They are really nice vehicles for what they are. I would take a R1T over a CT any day of the week. The Rivian overall is very well thought out and much better fit and finish then the Tesla. In my opinion The R1S is what the 300 series should have been.
Used R1T prices are dropping fast. The ones that are selling are <$50k. When they hit $40k I very likely will buy a R1T.
I noticed this as well. When I was shopping for a truck in late last year and early this year I ran across a bunch of low mile Rivians around Salt Lake City that I thought were pretty reasonably priced.
But then it makes you wonder why there are so many barely used Rivians for sale. What conclusion did the owner come to after owning it for a mere 10 or 20k miles?
Different strokes for different folks. The CT is different enough that it challenges the status quo for what is normal.
What some people see is the CT trying to be something else, whether a truck, sports car, EV, fashion statement, robo-taxi, whatever.
I'm looking at the CT for what it is. A rethink and paradigm shift. It's an number of new things things that can't be found anywhere else. With some exemplary traits that haven't been combined in anything else.
The steering can be said to be sports car-ish. Yes, it's definitely that. With rear wheel steer, it's incredibly easy to place and backup in parking spaces. With quieted hands, it's also calm and low effort. What I take away is that the steering offers a ease of use found in no other car. With agility rivaling sports cars let alone trucks. Then add Autopilot/FSD on top of that and it's completely in a league of its own.
The Rivian is a cool car too and I've taken an extensive trip in a rental. Camped and off-roaded with a number of owners. It's a truck with an EV drivetrain and some forward thinking elements. Don't get me wrong, it's a great truck. It doesn't move the needle enough for me.
And the other legacy domestic EVs? Did someone say Bolt?! It's way more than just being an EV. No thank you.
What some people see is the CT trying to be something else, whether a truck, sports car, EV, fashion statement, robo-taxi, whatever.
I'm looking at the CT for what it is. A rethink and paradigm shift. It's an number of new things things that can't be found anywhere else. With some exemplary traits that haven't been combined in anything else.
The steering can be said to be sports car-ish. Yes, it's definitely that. With rear wheel steer, it's incredibly easy to place and backup in parking spaces. With quieted hands, it's also calm and low effort. What I take away is that the steering offers a ease of use found in no other car. With agility rivaling sports cars let alone trucks. Then add Autopilot/FSD on top of that and it's completely in a league of its own.
The Rivian is a cool car too and I've taken an extensive trip in a rental. Camped and off-roaded with a number of owners. It's a truck with an EV drivetrain and some forward thinking elements. Don't get me wrong, it's a great truck. It doesn't move the needle enough for me.
And the other legacy domestic EVs? Did someone say Bolt?! It's way more than just being an EV. No thank you.
It was a joke about the Bolt, Although the value ratio cannot be beat if you are looking for a cheap daily beater. Used bolts with new batteries as a result of the recall are dirt cheap.
But my original response to you was because you had mentioned the CT taking over towing duties and I just dont think thats reasonable. Even if the charging network gets vastly better, The fact that you can only get max 1.5 hours between charges with the current options is unacceptable. Its not a different stoke thing. If thats your intended use of the truck then the only real option is the Silverado EV due to just the shear size of the battery pack and its ability to exceed 200 miles of range towing(in ideal conditions).
Of course you then have to charge that ridiculously large pack so hopefully wherever you are towing has 350kw chargers on a regular interval.
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This phenomenon is universal to all EVs, not just the Rivian. People go into the EV ownership experience expecting there to be no compromises or changes in habit. Within a few months, reality hits them that you can't use it quite the same way you've used all your past vehicles, and off to the dealership they go.
Early adopters that change vehicles every 1-2 years.
The guy with 2 rivians in the 6 years I’ve known him between he and his wife have had: Raptor, TRD pro 4 runner, 200 heritage, LX450, model 3P, S plad, polestar, and the 2 rivians.
Yeah I suppose that is true. There is an element of tech savvy-ness that is required to own and operate and EV. If you don't understand what a kW or kWh is then you might have some trouble. We let my mother-in-law borrow it while we were camping once and it made it about 2 days before she had drained that battery almost down to nothing and was confused. Its not like an iphone where you can just slap it on the charger and expect it to be full in 30 minutes.
That said, my experience thus far with my Bolt has been that its extremely easy to live with daily. I made a ski rack for it and put a 2" receiver on it for the bike rack and we literally use it for 95% of our daily driving duties. All 4 of us can jump in and head to the mountain with our skis and all of our gear without issue and thats how we use it every day. Drive into the garage, plug it in, and its ready to go the next time we use it.
