I cant seem to find this, but have you guys tested this thing on a dyno? Do you have actual rwhp and torque numbers?
That thing sounds SWEET.
That thing sounds SWEET.
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Tapage
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I was about to ask the same question ..
How complicated is this new engine in terms of diesel emissions equipment? In the last few years diesel engines have become very complex and full of sensors to deal with emissions (and also very expensive to repair).
It also seems that the legendary simplicity and stone simple reliability of a diesel engine is a thing of the past. Does this engine require DEF to be added? Does it require one or more catalytic converters?
It also seems that the legendary simplicity and stone simple reliability of a diesel engine is a thing of the past. Does this engine require DEF to be added? Does it require one or more catalytic converters?
That's just the thing, it's not for everyone. If you like big, heavy, lazy power, then go stick a 454 in your 60. If you want something designed this century and want a bunch of power, but in a nimble package, something like this 2.8 Cummins is the ticket.
I wouldn't call a 4.2L, 256CI 2F a high cubic-capacity engine either though
In Aus there aren't too many new 4x4's with engines that are even 4L - so the 4.2 is a large cc (unfortunately).... as I said - I think it looks great - just wrong being a little 4cyl in a cruiser!! It would be interesting to see how they go as the km's build up (will they last to 200, 300, 400 thousand km's??.... until then I suppose I will have to continue to put up with the old 12ht low tech dinosaur.....
Modern diesel engines like this one are almost as complex as their gasoline counterparts. The days of simple diesels are long gone. Yes this engine has a Cat and ECU. Its computerized. But the merits of diesels still exist in modern variants: longetivity, efficiency, low end torque, no ignition.
At this point, for this project, for the 60 series, none of that even really matters. Here's a new modern diesel that has more power & torque than the 2F ever did and it fits and a kit is going to be made for it. And it's a modern Cummins.
It's a slam dunk.
Three years ago I was hemming & hawing whether I wanted to yank the block of my 2F while the head was off to get it rebuilt. But since it was still running fine enough, I bailed on the idea. But if I had decided to go for it (back then) I would have had the 2F rebuilt.
TODAY- If faced with the same decision, I would not rebuild the 2F. If Torfab's kit was ready for prime time I'd drop the Cummins R2.8 in instead.
At this point, for this project, for the 60 series, none of that even really matters. Here's a new modern diesel that has more power & torque than the 2F ever did and it fits and a kit is going to be made for it. And it's a modern Cummins.
It's a slam dunk.
Three years ago I was hemming & hawing whether I wanted to yank the block of my 2F while the head was off to get it rebuilt. But since it was still running fine enough, I bailed on the idea. But if I had decided to go for it (back then) I would have had the 2F rebuilt.
TODAY- If faced with the same decision, I would not rebuild the 2F. If Torfab's kit was ready for prime time I'd drop the Cummins R2.8 in instead.
Cruiser Jimmy
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Tor,
Thanks for the thread and all the work you're doing with this powerplant thus far.
Comments and questions so far that I have are:
1. I assume you're using the same trans mount for the 62. You said that stock drive lengths are being used.
2. A/C compressor is from Cummins?
3. If needed, who can service the engine after it's in the vehicle? Cummins only or do they have a partnership with Dodge?
4. I want to understand you're driving impressions and testing conditions. What are the grades, duration of grades, is acceleration up these grades possible, etc.
5. Where does vacuum pickup for the brakes?
Answered by OSS. Camshaft driven vac pump.
I hope to have this in my 60 in Dec of this year.
Jim
Thanks for the thread and all the work you're doing with this powerplant thus far.
Comments and questions so far that I have are:
1. I assume you're using the same trans mount for the 62. You said that stock drive lengths are being used.
2. A/C compressor is from Cummins?
3. If needed, who can service the engine after it's in the vehicle? Cummins only or do they have a partnership with Dodge?
4. I want to understand you're driving impressions and testing conditions. What are the grades, duration of grades, is acceleration up these grades possible, etc.
5. Where does vacuum pickup for the brakes?
Answered by OSS. Camshaft driven vac pump.
I hope to have this in my 60 in Dec of this year.
Jim
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Man....my 60 needs this!
Cruiserdrew
On the way there
Any thoughts as to suitability for California emissions? I'm thinking the '89 I want to put it in, is no big deal given this is a new engine and conversion. Also thinking your "kit" will allow our local guru @orangefj45 to install in a standardized straight forward manner.
Can't wait to see actual costs - kit, +hours, +misc. Really stoked about this.
Can't wait to see actual costs - kit, +hours, +misc. Really stoked about this.
orangefj45
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Two things I always tell potential customers who are interested in an engine conversion:
1) use an engine that suits the needs of the vehicle. In other words, if you're building a cruiser, then use an engine designed for the application. The Cummins 2.8 seems to be a great fit.
2) once you decide on an engine, take the time to find some vehicle owners with that exact setup and talk to them about it. Try to get a ride in ( and hopefully get to drive ) one so you'll know what yo expect.
It's worth the extra effort and time.
Georg @ Valley Hybrids & Cruiser Brothers
1) use an engine that suits the needs of the vehicle. In other words, if you're building a cruiser, then use an engine designed for the application. The Cummins 2.8 seems to be a great fit.
2) once you decide on an engine, take the time to find some vehicle owners with that exact setup and talk to them about it. Try to get a ride in ( and hopefully get to drive ) one so you'll know what yo expect.
It's worth the extra effort and time.
Georg @ Valley Hybrids & Cruiser Brothers
Icon4x4 just posted an instagram of the setup they have going into a 40 series.
Super pumped about this kit and the applicability of the engine to a broad range of trucks.
Super pumped about this kit and the applicability of the engine to a broad range of trucks.
Do you think this is a viable option for an 80?
orangefj45
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4BT and 2.8 is apples and oranges.
In this case, the 4BT would be a rotten apple ......
Georg @ Valley Hybrids & Cruiser Brothers
In this case, the 4BT would be a rotten apple ......
Georg @ Valley Hybrids & Cruiser Brothers
You will probably find that when you are offroad and in loose dirt, the little diesel's fuel economy will be outstanding. Another benefit of a diesel is safer refuelling from jerry cans etc.
it will be interesting to watch/see what type of warrantee this rrepower comes with. it appears that alot of the common problems with the ISf 2.8 on russian and aussie forums have been egr and intake gasket issues, overheating issues and fuel rail issues.
if it had a 3yr -60k mile warrantee- id be happy that any of the little gasket or chinese mass market assembly items could be sorted out under warranttee and then engine might be good good to go.
the isf2.8 has been around since 2010 so hopefully the bigger overheating and fuel delivery issues have been sorted
if it had a 3yr -60k mile warrantee- id be happy that any of the little gasket or chinese mass market assembly items could be sorted out under warranttee and then engine might be good good to go.
the isf2.8 has been around since 2010 so hopefully the bigger overheating and fuel delivery issues have been sorted
Georg, we would all love to take your advice and drive one first, but you haven't started passing around the keys yet
.Please, please, please tell us how it drives . . . . .
I've been married 25 years, if she hasn't left me yet, I can probably get away with this too!
orangefj45
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We are waiting to see if Cummins gets the engines EPA certified. If they do, then we have a few customers lined up for that conversion.
Tor and his crew did a great job on the 62!!!!!
I have known Tor for a long time and we've been friends for many years. If he says he's happy with the engine ......... then I'm sure I would be too.
Georg @ Valley Hybrids & Cruiser Brothers
Tor and his crew did a great job on the 62!!!!!
I have known Tor for a long time and we've been friends for many years. If he says he's happy with the engine ......... then I'm sure I would be too.
Georg @ Valley Hybrids & Cruiser Brothers
Wat Georg said!
So are they trying to get the engine certified for vehicles newer than 1994 in California or are we SOL?
