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NLXTACY: Thanks.
 
What are the cons of the York? Extra noise when driving? How much parasitic loss? Im using the cheapo route and its never let me down so I'ts hard to me to justify a $500-600 compressor that also eats up ma power. temping though, can you tell me more about it?
 
hammerheadfistpunch said:
What are the cons of the York?
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• Cost
• Plumbing
• Occupies space for future turbo or S/C build
• Engine needs to be running for direct air or air to tank
• Works better above idle, good to have hand throttle

hammerheadfistpunch said:
Extra noise when driving?
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None. The compressor, depending how you wire it, will only go on when there is low pressure in the tank or when you directly turn it on. Even then its still an A/C compressor. The reason you notice your own existing compressor is on is because the idle kicks up. There is no idle kick up on the York.

hammerheadfistpunch said:
How much parasitic loss?
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How much parasitic loss from your existing A/C system? Well, its less than that because the system is not under a pressurized loop so its slightly more efficient (my own thought process based on exactly zero scientific data)

hammerheadfistpunch said:
Im using the cheapo route and its never let me down so I'ts hard to me to justify a $500-600 compressor that also eats up ma power. temping though, can you tell me more about it?
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I really don't want to talk you out of what you have that works. That's not my goal. My goal is to offer up an old option that hasn't been around for awhile but its one that has been time tested and is rugged beyond belief.
 
NLXTACY said:
• Cost
• Plumbing
• Occupies space for future turbo or S/C build
• Engine needs to be running for direct air or air to tank
• Works better above idle, good to have hand throttle



None. The compressor, depending how you wire it, will only go on when there is low pressure in the tank or when you directly turn it on. Even then its still an A/C compressor. The reason you notice your own existing compressor is on is because the idle kicks up. There is no idle kick up on the York.



How much parasitic loss from your existing A/C system? Well, its less than that because the system is not under a pressurized loop so its slightly more efficient (my own thought process based on exactly zero scientific data)



I really don't want to talk you out of what you have that works. That's not my goal. My goal is to offer up an old option that hasn't been around for awhile but its one that has been time tested and is rugged beyond belief.
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This answers all my questions pretty much. So its electronically wired to only close the pressure loop when asked? I was under the assumption that it was always running producing pressure but this makes more sense. Already have the hand throttle so thats a perk, and often times I'm out with people who don't even have the cheap pumps so it would be a plus for speed...that being said im not going to spend my fridge or dual batt budget to help other people. Still, something to consider, how close are you to meeting your 15 unit min?
 
hammerheadfistpunch said:
This answers all my questions pretty much. So its electronically wired to only close the pressure loop when asked? I was under the assumption that it was always running producing pressure but this makes more sense. Already have the hand throttle so thats a perk, and often times I'm out with people who don't even have the cheap pumps so it would be a plus for speed...that being said im not going to spend my fridge or dual batt budget to help other people. Still, something to consider, how close are you to meeting your 15 unit min?
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Oh I don't know. Every time I do one of these lists I'm lucky to get 20-25% commitment :*(
I suppose I should turn on the link on the site to start getting things rolling. I just need to wait until I hear back from the new shop to make sure he can swing the timeline.

Its funny, everything I add to my truck now I'm constantly asking myself how it can be used to help other people. I always find myself helping someone on my excursions which is totally cool, I just need to be prepared. Hell, I've had a CO2 tank for this long because I knew there would be people that needed to borrow it. It bums me out that I can't run the York myself but not enough to get rid of my SC :flipoff2:
 
NLXTACY said:
Oh I don't know. Every time I do one of these lists I'm lucky to get 20-25% commitment :*(
I suppose I should turn on the link on the site to start getting things rolling. I just need to wait until I hear back from the new shop to make sure he can swing the timeline.

Its funny, everything I add to my truck now I'm constantly asking myself how it can be used to help other people. I always find myself helping someone on my excursions which is totally cool, I just need to be prepared. Hell, I've had a CO2 tank for this long because I knew there would be people that needed to borrow it. It bums me out that I can't run the York myself but not enough to get rid of my SC :flipoff2:
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What you need is a bypass valve from the SC output into a tank, then just run up the engine and compress your tank up 5 psi at a time (I know, that's not how positive displacement pressure pumps work)
 
As of now it looks like there are exactly 15 that want to get it. If everyone commits to it then this bad boy is good to go and I'll be far less nervous about losing money on yet another product :flipoff2:
 
hammerheadfistpunch said:
What you need is a bypass valve from the SC output into a tank, then just run up the engine and compress your tank up 5 psi at a time (I know, that's not how positive displacement pressure pumps work)
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Well, whats funny was I was reading up on intercooler patents (sorry Super Charger related) and I found this about Ford's SVT Lightning:

"Ford's patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle's air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine's intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air - resulting in a denser air charge."
 
NLXTACY said:
Well, whats funny was I was reading up on intercooler patents (sorry Super Charger related) and I found this about Ford's SVT Lightning:

"Ford's patented SuperCooler technology cleverly provides a special burst of power for the SVT Lightning concept. Traditional intercoolers dissipate heat from the supercharged air by circulating coolant through a front-mounted, air-cooled radiator. With the SuperCooler system, the vehicle's air conditioning system is used to chill a small storage tank of coolant to about 30 degrees Fahrenheit.

On demand, the SuperCooler system switches the intercooler flow from its normal circulation and dumps the chilled coolant into the engine's intercooler. In turn, the intercooler dissipates up to 20 percent more heat from the charge air - resulting in a denser air charge."
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Sounds complicated where a water spray would net you much of the benefit for a lot less trouble...still, its cool to see manufactures pushing that kind of solution.
 
NLXTACY said:
For those interested...

Here is a decent write up (although some missing pics) about installing the York OBA from my original GB:
York OBA install

Here is the GB thread from 8 years ago which might have relevant information still:
NLXTACY's original 2008 GROUP BUY- York Bracket and Pulley

Link to other tank and manifold installs for those interested:
Non CO2 On Board Air Ideas - For FAQ
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Other good OBA threads:

OBA System Installed & Working

Another York OBA Install (pics)

York OBA, Leasons Learned

(Unfortunately some of the pictures in these threads did not survive Mud's move to its new servers a few years ago.)
 
Done! I want this badly. I was so close to buying a puma a few weeks ago, but packaging and mounting stopped me
 
Count me in.
 
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