An ethical dilemma? (6 Viewers)
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Just when you think this thread has run out on entertainment value, up comes this
This just beats awesome, even for someone like me who's just peripherally associated with this Cruiser thing...
Just when you think this thread has run out on entertainment value, up comes this
This just beats awesome, even for someone like me who's just peripherally associated with this Cruiser thing...
Socio-economic criticism at its best.
All we need is some Marx, Pareto, Rawls, and Weber to bring this around to a good conclusion.
QUOTE=ChaseTruck;7921212]Just when you think this thread has run out on entertainment value, up comes this
This just beats awesome, even for someone like me who's just peripherally associated with this Cruiser thing...[/QUOTE]
Ha ha, Before I get the mob all over me, I know some people will take offence to this, I just want to clarify.
I just see that people do this kind of thing all the time to get a few extra bucks out of a vehicle and the ownus is often on us to see if the car or truck we are trying to buy has been "shined up", I know it's not fair, but that's the world we live in.
Also not all rich people are bad, just recently been getting into a business myself and have seen greed first hand, dudes will try to drown you to get ahead, anyway they can and off anyones good hard work, I find I try to reward my guys, but I can see If you really want to make profit, you need to keep the costs down, and often at the expense of the employee.
Flame away
This just beats awesome, even for someone like me who's just peripherally associated with this Cruiser thing...
[/QUOTE]Ha ha, Before I get the mob all over me, I know some people will take offence to this, I just want to clarify.
I just see that people do this kind of thing all the time to get a few extra bucks out of a vehicle and the ownus is often on us to see if the car or truck we are trying to buy has been "shined up", I know it's not fair, but that's the world we live in.
Also not all rich people are bad, just recently been getting into a business myself and have seen greed first hand, dudes will try to drown you to get ahead, anyway they can and off anyones good hard work, I find I try to reward my guys, but I can see If you really want to make profit, you need to keep the costs down, and often at the expense of the employee.
Flame away
itbrokeagain
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I can see where Brett is coming from. I'm not defending shoddy work but when someone Google's his name this thread will come up. Curious to see if this goes anywhere
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Easy now - there's no need to (posthumously...) offend these folks by dragging them into this context.
crushers
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here is the problem, as an old guy sees it (me), we live in a veneer society.
i want you to think about that statement and apply it to almost anything.
decades ago, feels like a century, we had a marketing class in junior high. one of the things we experienced was how a box can make someone buy something.
the teach put 2 boxes on the table, same size, same construction. one was a plain cardboard box and the other had a picture on it. if i remember correctly is was a smiling family holding something.
the teach asked the class which they would want and informed us that the item inside was exactly the same but the box with the picture was 25c more.
most in the class went for the box with the pic, they had the delusional idea that what ever was inside was better than the plain box.
fast forward to today, fancy boxes everywhere.
look at movies, fancy pic and a couple choice words printed and you are enticed to rent that movie ... and usually find out the movie sucked.
take cars and most of us already know that the old cars were made simple and reliable to last for decades, now they are complex, pretty, soooo many gagets inside and are built to last 10 years but we want them.
then we have mister Brett, it is obvious he attended the same course i did. he learned how a pretty veneer and a few choice words and he can sell a turd to someone that is shopping with his eyes instead of his head. we need to THANK BRETT for educating us in reality, he showed us all that when we go shopping (not just Cruisers) we need to find out what is under that veneer. is that item REALLY as portrayed or is it just a pretty skin covering a turd?
we need, as a society, to stop shopping veneer and shop for quality under the skin.
Brett, you are very good at what you do. it is just too bad you don't take it the next step and build and sell quality goods.
i want you to think about that statement and apply it to almost anything.
decades ago, feels like a century, we had a marketing class in junior high. one of the things we experienced was how a box can make someone buy something.
the teach put 2 boxes on the table, same size, same construction. one was a plain cardboard box and the other had a picture on it. if i remember correctly is was a smiling family holding something.
the teach asked the class which they would want and informed us that the item inside was exactly the same but the box with the picture was 25c more.
most in the class went for the box with the pic, they had the delusional idea that what ever was inside was better than the plain box.
fast forward to today, fancy boxes everywhere.
look at movies, fancy pic and a couple choice words printed and you are enticed to rent that movie ... and usually find out the movie sucked.
take cars and most of us already know that the old cars were made simple and reliable to last for decades, now they are complex, pretty, soooo many gagets inside and are built to last 10 years but we want them.
then we have mister Brett, it is obvious he attended the same course i did. he learned how a pretty veneer and a few choice words and he can sell a turd to someone that is shopping with his eyes instead of his head. we need to THANK BRETT for educating us in reality, he showed us all that when we go shopping (not just Cruisers) we need to find out what is under that veneer. is that item REALLY as portrayed or is it just a pretty skin covering a turd?
we need, as a society, to stop shopping veneer and shop for quality under the skin.
Brett, you are very good at what you do. it is just too bad you don't take it the next step and build and sell quality goods.
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This message wasn't delete by Woody....I didn't have anything to say. Too busy sitting back and watching karma points add up
I like karma points
agomez
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what happened to the tech thread that was showing all the faults with the misrepresented 40?...did it get deleted?
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Still in tech. Nothing new to report until the 1mm O/S pistons arrive. Tracking number says they won't be here until next monday. Then the machining can happen & reassembly begins. Still have to crack open the leaky t-case and check out the rear brakes, but those things are relatively cheap & easy to repair correctly.
She is admitted to practice in federal court in Washington State so maybe.
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Very, Very true...that is why, as an advertiser (graphic designer), as someone charged with creating that desire via image, I long ago vowed not to do business with people or for their products if I didn't trust them or think their product deserved the consumer's consideration. Advertising, at it's core, (and product representation) can be pure evil. But there is another dynamic at work here and everyone can argue back and forth about whether it is chicken or egg, a product of collective society or a component of the individual that spreads and is then identifiable as a social construct...and that is greed and impatience...and their effect on competition. Back in the good ole days, a business took responsibility for their business model, they understood that, in a long view way, long term success was based on brand loyalty and they were willing to develop brand loyalty by spending more on their product, charging less for their product and taking less to the bottom line as a result. They had the patience to allow that dynamic to develop. Furthermore, if their business model didn't support that method, they recognized it and took the hit themselves (otherwise known as honor, or ethics) Fast forward to today. Now business's feel ENTITLED to a particular margin, regardless of the validity of their business model. They start with a profit margin number they are unwilling to dip below. They then either raise the price or degrade the quality of the offering (or both) until that margin is achieved and they use the IMAGE to control sales. They exaggerate and lie about their product to maintain those sales. So to a certain extent the job asked of advertising has changed from that of an announcer to that of a hitman or confidence man. And not a single one of them is willing to spend any time developing success, they expect it to occur immediately. The full extent of "get rich quick" is now an invariable expectation of simply entering the marketplace.
Edit: I also think that businesses used to extend respect to their customers in order to develop trust and brand loyalty. They now see the consumer simply as a target...a wallet that they can empty with the right combination of words.
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Perhaps if we had people here on mud who where involved heavy with Pirate, maybe they would reach out?
hint hint, wink wink
re_guderian
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Just read throught 40-section tech thread. BUT - still haven't seen a scan of Brett Young's letter that came with the truck. I'd be surprised if the current owner can make anything legal "stick". If it said things were "serviced" instead of "replaced", or "replaced with new" it's hard to argue with the PO. "Serviced" can mean so many things. Opened up the brakes, took a look, saw they were crap, and shut 'em back up agian, right? I "serviced" them. It's sleazy marketing that needs to be exposed, but does "serviced" have a legal definition? For that matter, does "restored"?
BUT - still haven't seen a scan of Brett Young's letter that came with the truck. I'd be surprised if the current owner can make anything legal "stick". If it said things were "serviced" instead of "replaced", or "replaced with new" it's hard to argue with the PO. "Serviced" can mean so many things. Opened up the brakes, took a look, saw they were crap, and shut 'em back up agian, right? I "serviced" them. It's sleazy marketing that needs to be exposed, but does "serviced" have a legal definition? For that matter, does "restored"?
Just read throught 40-section tech thread.
I don't know "legally" if "serviced" has an actionable definition, but to my mind, it means "actually, physically brought back to normal, operational standards, working in a manner consistent with the intended factory specifications and within tolerances that allow for it to continue working properly without undue risk of foreseeable failure."
and "restored" to mean "returned to a condition consistent with the condition when new"
Just read throught 40-section tech thread.
Funny that you mention that.
When i bought my 80, the PO made it very clear that the "front axle has been 'serviced' recently"
When i got home with the vehicle and was going through receipts i asked where was the receipt for the new gaskets, possibly new bearings, etc. He said that all he did was change the oil in the front diff.
