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Hello All,

Long time lurker first time poster. :)
Sorry for the novella backstory:
So, as the thread title suggests I'm planning on importing my 60 to Munich where I've lived for almost 20 year....yes, I'm old and yes, I should have done this a long time ago.
For the bulk of my time in Munich, I lent my truck to close friends back in Texas, therefore avoiding letting it sit for too long. Then my younger brother asked me if he could drive it since he is a carpenter and had lost access to everything but beater BMW motorcycle. I was hesitant to do this because he's not the most responsible person in the world but I went ahead and did against better judgement. Turned out my fear were justified and he showed up at the airport in Austin (where I'm from) with an ill-fitting white hood and the gearbox had clearly been jammed froward but still seemed to function. He said he hit a deer which, I guess is possible since he lives in the hill country but whitetails don't grow that big in Texas....I know, I know. :)
Anyway, we had a pretty severe falling out and he relocated to Colorado and initially said he would take the 60 with him since he also had my '69 BSA Victor. He told me the 60 was being stored in his shed. Fast forward to a month ago and I told him via text I was going to pick it up off of his property. He did not cotton to that idea and left me a pretty awful message, saying there was no way I could get the TLC since it was locked on his property behind a gate. (Sorry for all this backstory but, just wait :) )
Undeterred I and my wife drove the rental out to his land and it had been 10 years and I wasn't completely sure I could find it...at one point in a fork in the road I went right instead of left and poked around a couple of folks' property (not too far because, well, Texas) but couldn't see the truck. We got back the rental and drove a bit further down the road and over a small crest and what do I see, about 10 old cruisers 40s, 55s, 60's all parked in a row and there was mine right in the middle.
Turns out a Land Cruiser specialist had opened a garage ~200 yard from my brothers place. I was confused but also a bit relieved since I no longer had to get onto my brothers property and trailer out my truck. We honked our horn a bit at the fence line but no one came out. There was a realtor sign near the gate so I called them, not expecting much on a Saturday afternoon but someone answered and I was able to get a contact that knew the name of the owner of the property.
We also noticed some neighbors across the road had come out and we introduced ourselves and explained the situation and he said, the owners father lived across the road down a bit and we would recognize him by his missing leg. Easy enough, I though. So we walked over and hollered a bit and all the dogs came out to greet and then eventually one-legged Jim. We explained the situation again and he said it was his son Danny's shop but he didn't know his number by hear and that he didn't think he was home but lived on the back part of the property. I told him not to worry because I had the number of the realtor and would try to contact him that way.
So, we head back to the rental car and start driving away back to Austin and I look yo my right and see a fellow sprinting across the field and I told my wife "That'll be Danny."
We got out and shook hands, made sure knew who we were and the whole story and he said, there had been a disagreement on the amount my brother wanted for my truck, initially only $1,200 and they agreed and Danny went and trailered it off only for my bother to call a week later saying he wanted $8K. And for ~18 months it had just sat at his garage waiting for some resolution, which, surprisingly came in the form of me. I told him I wanted to get her back on the road and so we shook hands again and I said I'd be in touch. We got back into Austin and my wife said she was craving a breakfast taco from Torchy's and so we pulled into the parking lot and I immediately noticed a blue FJ60 in the lot and parked next to it. It's got to be fated, I thought. My wife did too.

So, here are details of the 60:
- '86 FJ60
- 175K miles
- de-smogged
- headers installed 20 year ago, no Flowmaster, etc. was installed
- sitting for ~5 years
- stock carb

There are a lot of considerations when thinking about moving forward with the resto. Mechanically, the estimate is ~8.5K with some wiggle room. And then there are some upgrades I'm considering for when it gets here in Munich. See below:
- H55F
- 2" lift kit
-33" tires
- upgraded exhaust to realize benefit of headers
- possible conversion to EFI
- removal of non-stock metal rear bumper and add one that could do 2 swing outs for tire and jerry can?

In Munich we'll probably be using it mostly for toting my drums around and my wife's artwork. But would like to add some bits and bobs over here to allow us to do some overlanding/long term camping in Africa or ME. Some of our best friends also have a newer model LC that is setup for such.
The upgrades above are in an effort to allow her to more easily attain adequate speeds on the Autobahn/get a bit more oompf out of the engine/decrease the odds of running into any emissions issues when importing to Germany and possible improve gas mileage.
I'm thinking with the mechanical I'm looking at ~22K? That would included some much needed body work and a decent paint job.
Any, if anyone has made this far through the novella and has any thought, suggestions, feel free. :)

Thanks
Zeek

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Great story Zeek, I'd love to see that 60 in Africa or the Middle East taking you to amazing sights out there. Depending on the restoration level you are considering, and how much of the work you can do (you mentioned being "old"), it could cost you more than the 22K you are estimating. There's that saying, "take your estimate and double it" when it comes to vehicle restorations. I think it's wise to add some contingency value to your estimate, probably 25% minimum. Hope you get to enjoy your LCs soon though.
 
Great story Zeek, I'd love to see that 60 in Africa or the Middle East taking you to amazing sights out there. Depending on the restoration level you are considering, and how much of the work you can do (you mentioned being "old"), it could cost you more than the 22K you are estimating. There's that saying, "take your estimate and double it" when it comes to vehicle restorations. I think it's wise to add some contingency value to your estimate, probably 25% minimum. Hope you get to enjoy your LCs soon though.
I know it might sound like a bad thing when I say you sound a lot like my wife, but it's a good thing. :) So, yes, I'm prepared to go up to 30K and she sort of balked at that until I showed her what nicely restored/kitted '86 FJ60s can sell for theses days. Thanks for the input and I hope to be able to post some pics from Africa/ME in the coming year.
 
if you don't get into body work, your budget is very doable.

looks clean and straight....so suspension, brake, tires, rebuilt knuckles, rebuilt aisin carb and some refreshed seats will be $6-7k USD.

I guess i'd straighten the grill and headlights too.

Then look into H55 and EFI if you deem it necessary
 
if you don't get into body work, your budget is very doable.

looks clean and straight....so suspension, brake, tires, rebuilt knuckles, rebuilt aisin carb and some refreshed seats will be $6-7k USD.

I guess i'd straighten the grill and headlights too.

Then look into H55 and EFI if you deem it necessary
Thanks much for the input. Yeah, we're going to spend a little extra time on the whole fuel system because the last thing my loving brother texted me was that he and his friends had dumped a bunch of s%*t into the fuel tank. But after having been sitting for so long, I had kind of planned on doing that anyway. We'll see. My guy in Texas is also wanting to kind of take it phases and base how we move forward with the project based on what we find out along the way. If that makes sense. :)
 
Wild story, your brother is a piece of work and glad you're able to get your rig back and hopefully cut him out of your life in whatever way you can.

If there's a will there's a way, but I'd have major reservations about trying to get this ready for regular use in Germany:
  • MPG is 12 on a great day, and fuel cost is exponentially more in the EU
  • TUV inspection is notoriously strict and having semi-restored 60's before, I can't imagine the time and money one would need to pass a German inspection that routinely fails 5-year old BMWs. Not just mechanical needs, things like gauges in KM, headlight regulations, on and on.
  • I believe suspension modification and oversized tires would be a non-starter for TUV, but I haven't done that research.
  • I know most automotive modifications require proof of purchase from a TUV-approved supplier with proof of professional install.
  • Almost any frame and suspension rust and most body rust is an immediate TUV fail.
  • Truck is de-smogged which is an immediate fail on inspection and probably import
  • On top of spending close to $10k on mechanicals, then needing likely thousands more for TUV, you're spending thousands more on shipping and import costs
  • A perfect condition truck struggles at 75+ mph, you'd be blown away on the Autobahn by anything other than commercial trucks
  • You could probably find an HJ or other 6X platform rig once you're in Europe that would be much easier to bring up to German registration standards
Good luck, and if you go for it we'd all love to read about it.
 
Wild story, your brother is a piece of work and glad you're able to get your rig back and hopefully cut him out of your life in whatever way you can.

If there's a will there's a way, but I'd have major reservations about trying to get this ready for regular use in Germany:
  • MPG is 12 on a great day, and fuel cost is exponentially more in the EU
  • TUV inspection is notoriously strict and having semi-restored 60's before, I can't imagine the time and money one would need to pass a German inspection that routinely fails 5-year old BMWs. Not just mechanical needs, things like gauges in KM, headlight regulations, on and on.
  • I believe suspension modification and oversized tires would be a non-starter for TUV, but I haven't done that research.
  • I know most automotive modifications require proof of purchase from a TUV-approved supplier with proof of professional install.
  • Almost any frame and suspension rust and most body rust is an immediate TUV fail.
  • Truck is de-smogged which is an immediate fail on inspection and probably import
  • On top of spending close to $10k on mechanicals, then needing likely thousands more for TUV, you're spending thousands more on shipping and import costs
  • A perfect condition truck struggles at 75+ mph, you'd be blown away on the Autobahn by anything other than commercial trucks
  • You could probably find an HJ or other 6X platform rig once you're in Europe that would be much easier to bring up to German registration standards
Good luck, and if you go for it we'd all love to read about it.
Curious how the rig passes TUV! I've heard the inspections in Germany are really strict
All valid points and yes, TUV is strict. I've lived here in Munich and have gone back and forth if it's worth trying to resto the old gal. Perhaps I should just try getting as close to back to stock as possible and wait to do any mods until she gets over here? Hmmm.
 
Having lived in Germany, I have a hard time (like @marshcat ) seeing that ever pass TÜV inspection. Having said that, I'm far from an expert on the subject. Sounds like quite the saga you've had getting it back though so hopefully you can get it into shape, imported, and registered. Good luck!
 
Having lived in Germany, I have a hard time (like @marshcat ) seeing that ever pass TÜV inspection. Having said that, I'm far from an expert on the subject. Sounds like quite the saga you've had getting it back though so hopefully you can get it into shape, imported, and registered. Good luck!

David Tracy of the Autopian has a series on his work getting an old chrysler van through TUV
 
Quick bump. So, what are y'all's thoughts on how to get the best balance of power/efficiency and 'decent' emission levels, given this will probably be the stickiest bit getting my 60 into Germany?

Assuming it's de-smogged and has headers already would rebuilding the carb and just slapping on a Flowmaster muffler on it be the worst case?
Or, the above but swapping it to EFI?
Or trying to get it back to as close to stock as possible, including "smogging" it, lol.
 
Are there rust holes through the roof? Looks like it in the pics.

My opinion, (which isn't worth much) For what it would cost to fix everything like you're describing and do body work, you could find a really nice 60 that's ready to go.
 
Would it be cost prohibitive to buy a 60 series somewhere in the EU? You could get a cooler HJ61 or something over there in better shape and start a little more ahead of the 8ball.
 
I don't think you'll have a choice but to have all smog equipment present and functional. Have you talked with anyone well versed in TUV?
Sort of...the husband of one of my wife's good friends has a friend that runs kind of an American import service so I'm going to try to ping him to see how strict we might have to retro-retrofit all the smog bits. He has a TUV contact, I believe. Fingers crossed.
 
Are there rust holes through the roof? Looks like it in the pics.

My opinion, (which isn't worth much) For what it would cost to fix everything like you're describing and do body work, you could find a really nice 60 that's ready to go.
Yes, but I've had this 60 for over 20 years, driven to Oaxaca twice so she's a bit special to me. :)
 
Would it be cost prohibitive to buy a 60 series somewhere in the EU? You could get a cooler HJ61 or something over there in better shape and start a little more ahead of the 8ball.
I've checked into that and have found 2 but one is nearly 30K Euros and the other is in pretty rough shape. I know there could be more but as I mentioned above, I'm kind of attached to this one. ;)
 

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