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You like makin life hard don't ya JP....haha!
 
ClemsonCruiser said:
That's a cool link bailey..... that guy did a hell of a job.

As for the turbo, that was my original thinking, but the problem is the real boost comes in so late since 2F's spin at such a lower rpm, you don't really feel the power until 2500-3000rpm. I was hoping to go with a supercharger because they boost quicker than a turbo, which would be better in the case of a cruiser. Also they make super chargers that have self contained oil and cooling units, so you don't have to fabricate oiling and cooling lines like you would with a turbo. the supercharger only requires that you fab. a mounting bracket to bolt to the engine, instead of an eleborate exhaust system such as the one in the link above. So my understanding is the supercharger is a simpler beast to install and it produces boost faster, there is no lag time since it is belt driven and not exhaust, also it doesn't produce near as much heat. The only down side I know of it that the boost is usually limted to 6 to 9psi, we as turbos can obtain much higher numbers. with the 2F though 6psi is plenty of boost, should net somewhere in the range of 30 to 40% increase in power. I am no expert on this matter by any means, I speak mainly off of what I have read and what little real experience I have with turbos...

Thanks for the help
JP
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I would search for threads containing Jason Mace's experience (Mace). Anything I would say would just be a repeat of what he has told me. You can do a turbo MUCH simpler than Jim Vandeven did, just not any nicer. Honestly, it seems to me that a carbuerated turbo would be easier to fab than a supercharged system. It is very possible to use the stock intake and exhaust manifolds with simple adapters...

Just another avenue to consider.
 
Sweet man, yeah I have talked with Mace about his set-up before, once I get closer to actually do this I will look more into both possibilities thanks for the info.
 
Kurt: Eric may have picked up the 3FE top end for ~$300 but he's got a later 2F with the flat top pistons, I have an earlier 2F with domed pistons, so that route won't really work for me, unless I want to swap blocks (and I have WAY too much money in my motor to want to do that). Building an adapter to my stock head looks like it would have been a better way to go.

It's a Mute point anyhow.

I decided against the 3FE injection setup for my purposes.
 
Advent said:
Whatever happened to the "Chet-nifold" I remember hearing about on the LCML? It was an adapter to mate the 3FE manifold to the 2F head.
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Not sure what Chet is up to now, though Tom Quinn is working on a cool new injection setup...

From his email this morning:

BTW my new project for the winter for my FJ55 motor
will be port injection for each cylinder and coil on
each plug (ie no ditributor). I found a programmable
controller out of europe that i am going to try and
use and if it doean't i might have to go with soem
sort of off the self race computer. Hard part will
probably be building the intake manifold.

-TomQ
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I've wanted to do a coil-on-plug setup for a while but couldn't figure out a good way to do a crankshaft position sensor. I think the 2 greatest possibilities would be the magnets that go on the flywheel or a hall effect sensor replacement for an HEI. Combine that with a 3FE manifold adapted to a 2F head (or just a 3FE head on a 2F block) and you'd be set.

All of this is moot though considering the smog nazis would never let me try it.
 
well thank god South Carolina doesn't care about Emissions.................. or I wouldn't be driving anywhere :rolleyes:

Advent, if you dig up anything on the adapter let me know, I wonder if this is something I could fab. up my self. I just need to find 3FE head and Intake manifold to look at in person so I can better grasp what needs to be done, the pics in the FSM don't help me to much.
 
Hey JP if they say you can grind the head it might be worth a try. You will probably need to measure the displacement though to get all the chambers correct. But I'm sure you could figure it out.
 
Marshall is this your no direct way of volunteering, your labor and tools???? :)

Hey just think if we get it to work on mine with out destroying it in the process, you could be next.......... this past weekend left a bad tast in my mouth about carb.s after everyone there pretty much had some sort of issues, but not the fuel injected guys..........
 
Well stalling a weber 38 is not that hard under heavy load going up hill. You and I know that first hand. :D


Yeah I would love to figure out how to put a 3fe head on a 2f. I'm sure we could do it. We need the head and set up and then we need some plexi glass to do the fluid test to get the head right. I'm sure I could find a good inexpensive way of doing displacement measurements so we get every chamber correct.

But we would need to make a mold out of the domed piston to use for measurement for the initial grinding to make sure we don't get valves splapping the piston.


All we need to do is measure current dispacement on a 2f with domed pistons and then transfer that dispacement the new setup.
Or we could leave a little more material and give it more compression.

Drilling the block for new studs shouldn't be that hard. MAybe #pits has a bad block we could test water jacket length on and make sure we get the depth just right. Though drilling the jacket wouldn't be that bad as long as the studs were sealed right.

Then it's just a matter of milling the block to accept the injector nozzles. ANd getting the setup to run. LOL

How is the FI tied in to the distributor?

Hey 3pits is loaning me a 4spd to leard how to rebuild it. It's the last thing I don't know how to rebuild. Diffs, tranfer cases, divelines, soa, cut and turn, brakes, clutches, upper and lower f and 2f and all the electrical crap I can do blind folded. It's all I have left. I cannot wait. :bounce:
 
yeah, if you are willing to help that'd be great, you have more patience them me. You'd keep me from half assing it :rolleyes:

this is something I want to work on over the next few months there is no big hurry. I am going to reinstall the carb. when I get it back from mark and live withthat for a while. So if we could find a used 2F head that would be best and I have to find the FI off a 62 or 80 first....... lots of research in this one!!!

also we could go the adapter route between the 2F and 3FE manifold, might be easier than tapping the 2F head and maching it, but obviously I don't know how complicated the adapter would be. Did you check the link on this thread for the custom EFI the guy did on his 60?

And all the rebuilding is great, but nothing is more satisfying that custom fabrication :)
 
Marshall you da man!!
 
cruiseroutfit said:
Not sure what Chet is up to now, though Tom Quinn is working on a cool new injection setup...
BTW my new project for the winter for my FJ55 motor
will be port injection for each cylinder and coil on
each plug (ie no ditributor). I found a programmable
controller out of europe that i am going to try and
use and if it doean't i might have to go with soem
sort of off the self race computer. Hard part will
probably be building the intake manifold.
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-TomQ
From his email this morning:
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These are good...
http://www.link-electro.co.nz/home.html
 
andrewfarmer said:
Why not just put flat top pistons in it?
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that would be the way to go, but I just spent 3k on an engine rebuild, so I don't want to take it apart.
 
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