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Your experience goes against what I have seen. Statistically that is possible. Not trying to second guess your “grieve” yet trying to understand the potential cause; Did you own the Sienna and MDX from new? Or had any overheating events?
Yes. Original owner. Bought new for both. Service at respective dealership exclusively for both. No overheating issue.
 
That’s possible, but I doubt it. The work was done in early ‘22, and this is not exactly an uncommon problem. I think it’s more likely that the company that spends billions more than anyone else in warranty costs just sucks at quality control.

I don’t disagree. But I know a lot of people who drive F150s and Expys who didn’t abuse theirs, and the general trend is they start having regular problems around 100k-125k miles.

Of the dozen or so F150s my friends and relatives drive, they just start falling apart sooner than Toyotas. Almost every one of those trucks is 8 years old or less.

Interesting anecdote: a friend of mine who got a $8k repair bill for his 2013 ecoboost at 113k miles also traded his in on an LX, just like @skrypj. He said that his F150 was a great truck…until it wasn’t. And you just never really know when that time is coming. Based on everyone’s experience around me, I’d have to agree.
I mean, thats great and all, but again, you were not really responding to anything I argued in the first place. Last I checked Ecoboosts were not having bottom end failures at 20k with any regularity. Nor are other GTDI truck motors that I also included in the post. This was literally all I said:

"I know all the Toyota folks want to pretend these turbo motors are fancy and modern, but the reality is they have been in trucks for coming up on 15 years. the 3.5L Ecoboost since 2010, the 2.7 Ecoboost since 2014, the 2.3L Ecoboost since 2018, the GM 2.7L Turbomax since 2018 or 2019. Bottom end failures have not historically been an issue. Especially bottom end failures at 20 or 30k miles. This is a Toyota problem, not a GTDI problem."

All I was arguing was that the engine being "overstressed" is not the issue and presented 14 years of evidence, but then we gotta take offense to that and turn it into a Ford VS Toyota thing. Phasers and timing chain and transmission issues have nothing to do with an engine being overstressed and melting bearings at 20k. You guys don't have to get all butthurt about it.

Im all done talking about Ford reliability. If you would like to talk about the V35A being overstressed, and use actual meanful evidence beside "Ford Sucks," I would be glad to discuss.
 
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You guys don't have to get all butthurt about it.

Im all done talking about Ford reliability.
No one is taking offense. You are welcome to have whatever opinions about Ford you like. No one is arguing that they had the same bottom end failures early on that Toyota is (rarely) experiencing with the V35A-FTS. But they have had a significantly higher rate of drivetrain issues than Toyota overall for the last 8 years at least.

At the risk of speaking for others, I don’t think Toyota people are “scared of this new tech” of twin turbo’d V6s; we’re just not excited to see Toyota follow the same path as Ford with turbo’d small displacement drivetrains because of Ford’s objectively worse reliability track record.

Toyota’s bottom end failures, even though it’s only 0.5% or something at this point) only add to the feeling that it’s the end of an era for Toyota.
 

Very surprised at the interior plastics and headliner. Looks no different than a Tundra. All of these new Toyota offerings have interiors that look like a new Forest River camper. Surprised to see that on the Lexus as well.
 
Very surprised at the interior plastics and headliner. Looks no different than a Tundra. All of these new Toyota offerings have interiors that look like a new Forest River camper. Surprised to see that on the Lexus as well.
Are you comparing a (15 yr old) 2009 LX to the current version of the GX550?
Please explain what you mean?
 
Very surprised at the interior plastics and headliner. Looks no different than a Tundra. All of these new Toyota offerings have interiors that look like a new Forest River camper. Surprised to see that on the Lexus as well.

I agree with you that the older Lexi had better levels detail and quality. Though previous GX was never at the level of the LX either. It's like an ES compared to an LS. Mainstream volume model versus top of the line.
 
Are you comparing a (15 yr old) 2009 LX to the current version of the GX550?
Please explain what you mean?
Did you watch the video? Did you see the materials the interior is made out of? Look at the dash and console and particularly the headliner. Pretty obvious they are inferior materials to my 15 year old truck. That headliner is the same material in my SR5 Tundra lol

I think the guy who made that video is right: if you're coming from a Lexus, you're going to be shocked at the (lack of) quality of the interior.
 
That’s possible, but I doubt it. The work was done in early ‘22, and this is not exactly an uncommon problem. I think it’s more likely that the company that spends billions more than anyone else in warranty costs just sucks at quality control.

I don’t disagree. But I know a lot of people who drive F150s and Expys who didn’t abuse theirs, and the general trend is they start having regular problems around 100k-125k miles.

Of the dozen or so F150s my friends and relatives drive, they just start falling apart sooner than Toyotas. Almost every one of those trucks is 8 years old or less.

Interesting anecdote: a friend of mine who got a $8k repair bill for his 2013 ecoboost at 113k miles also traded his in on an LX, just like @skrypj. He said that his F150 was a great truck…until it wasn’t. And you just never really know when that time is coming. Based on everyone’s experience around me, I’d have to agree.
Can confirm. My old eco f150 was a great truck. Until the canary of phasers and timing chain rattle started singing.

EDIT: my closest fOrD dealership also did ridiculous stuff too. Like leave a full quart of oil in the engine bay after an oil change. This was the start of me doing my own maintenance given the level of competence certain techs have. But tbf, the selling dealership did have a decent maintenance dept. but they were FAR from me. So along with multiple things in life, ymmv
 
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For years Toyota and Lexus made butt ugly, boring, reliable vehicles. I find it ironic that Lexus is finally getting its exterior designs right, and now their engines are the issue. That gx with the 5.7 or the 4.6 v8 would be an absolute hit. I’d really like one with a plug in hybrid tied to a 5.7. 25 miles of in town electric range with a v8 for road trips.
 
Same happened with Mercedes in the mid nineties and while they perhaps look more sexy now (matter of taste clearly) they effectively do not build reliable long lasting vehicles anymore. The fact that not a group of Japanese engineers set out to build the best next gen Prado or Land Cruiser and we now have input from clowns from various countries requiring all sorts of things we do not really want or need all adds to that they have lost the plot, going for what marketing or finance wants instead of sticking to the basics.

The cynicism of this all is that the 80, 100 and 200 series all look special and are truly beautiful, inside out.

Same for the last great W124 E-class, which was solid, lasted for ever and looked good.

Oh well, things change. Count myself lucky owning a 2021 200.

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Same happened with Mercedes in the mid nineties and while they perhaps look more sexy now (matter of taste clearly) they effectively do not build reliable long lasting vehicles anymore. The fact that not a group of Japanese engineers set out to build the best next gen Prado or Land Cruiser and we now have input from clowns from various countries requiring all sorts of things we do not really want or need all adds to that they have lost the plot, going for what marketing or finance wants instead of sticking to the basics.

The cynicism of this all is that the 80, 100 and 200 series all look special and are truly beautiful, inside out.

Same for the last great W124 E-class, which was solid, lasted for ever and looked good.

Oh well, things change. Count myself lucky owning a 2021 200.

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Some of those old MB diesels are legendary.
 
Some of those old MB diesels are legendary.
I remember being 17 and working for local mechanic with his own shop for summer job. Mostly I rebuilt carburetors, changed batteries, etc... One day in shop we got one of those old MB diesels 4 door power everything. All the power stuff worked on vacuum lines. I spent 6 hours with hand vacuum pump testing lines trying to find out why drivers window would not power up/down along with few other issues. Ah found memories of something like 8 dollars and hour wages.
 
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If it is manufacturing debris that caused all the problems, that's a really good thing because it can (was?) easily fixed and there will be an end date to the production period.
 

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